Martial Law

Here is what I think will happen. By watching what is going on in congress and in the media I think that somehow when America is attacked again it will be from within. When I say within, I would be referring to an Arab connection with either Nazi groups or some other like gangs or some militia .It will bring on martial law and all organized groups that speak against the government will be rounded up as terrorist.

God forbid something like this does happen. But if it does, I dunno if I'll be able to hold back my cries of "I told you so" to everyone who makes fun of me for believing in "crazy conspiracies."

I know that martial law restricts our rights but would it be that bad? If our country was attacked from within or anywhere, martial law would be an obvious choice to stop any further attacks. Even if the government has evil intentions, do you think your neighbors in the national guard are going to call you terrorists? Obviously the people at the top can't control the population if the miltary doesn't agree. I hope with all my heart that our leaders have good intentions and any martial law would be temporary. But if worst comes worst I say, If you cant beat em, join em!

Originally posted by RogueX
I know that martial law restricts our rights but would it be that bad? If our country was attacked from within or anywhere, martial law would be an obvious choice to stop any further attacks. Even if the government has evil intentions, do you think your neighbors in the national guard are going to call you terrorists? Obviously the people at the top can't control the population if the miltary doesn't agree. I hope with all my heart that our leaders have good intentions and any martial law would be temporary. But if worst comes worst I say, If you cant beat em, join em!

The problem with martial law is it takes away our freedom as citizens. We no longer have a voice, or anyone looking out for our well-being. The military, if they felt so inclined, could bust in your house, arrest you and your family for any reason at all. Some things you do, seemingly innocent to you, may be the next thing they consider "a threat". Do you have the anarchist cookbook? Have you joked about terrorism, or do you have any anti-government books? Martial law MAY work out, but our rights would be in the hands of the military, not our representatives (who may not be any better).

With the recent "offical warnings" us.cnn.com...

If the alert sysytem does go to red "severe condition" does the masses truly understand what the guildelines will occur if/when this happens?

Severe Condition (Red). A Severe Condition reflects a severe risk of terrorist attacks. Under most circumstances, the Protective Measures for a Severe Condition are not intended to be sustained for substantial periods of time. In addition to the Protective Measures in the previous Threat Conditions, Federal departments and agencies also should consider the following general measures in addition to the agency-specific Protective Measures that they will develop and implement:
Increasing or redirecting personnel to address critical emergency needs;
1. Assigning emergency response personnel and pre-positioning and
2. mobilizing specially trained teams or resources
3. Monitoring, redirecting, or constraining transportation systems
4. Closing public and government facilities

retrieved from the official site: www.whitehouse.gov...

Now does this level of alert equal Martial law?
Martial law = www.infoplease.com...
and this link breaks it down to survival perspective:
members.tripod.com...

If people resist or protest this action, thanks to the patriot act and any additions that are slipped thru before the calling hour ...would not the citizens will be deemed terrorists?

and how would this effect manufacturing?.. fast food places?..walmart?
our country is still struggling to rebound in the manufacturing industry and many other sectors.. this wouldn't make sense.. unless all businesses would resume as normal.

I think something of this nature would collapse the weaken us enocomy structure to a dire position... and what good could come out of that conspiracy? what could be rebuilt to have healthy thriving economy?

There is to much disconnection among people in life. and Unity or Uniting is a hard thing to do. Most people are guilty of this, including myself. I rant and rave about this evil or that evil, like may others.. few are willing to stand for what they believe, but when it few its easier for the long arm of the law to knock you down. And most people don't want to ruin thier current lives for sometihng that might fail. Even though that might believe in heart it is right. If you got kids in school, got a decent job, making the bills in time, roof over you head, a spouse to care for, maybe your parents also to care for, might be coming up for a job promotion.... to much is before us, and to get tangled into something and lose it all is something most people don't want to lose.

Before i ramble on and lose my train of thought ....
we are all humans and no matter what ethnic, religion, race,sex, ect.. we are.. survival is a natural instinct.. its just some are better then others..

Firepoker

Originally posted by RogueX
I know that martial law restricts our rights but would it be that bad?...
... Even if the government has evil intentions, do you think your neighbors in the national guard are going to call you terrorists? Obviously the people at the top can't control the population if the miltary doesn't agree. I hope with all my heart...

Your hope won't be worth diddly squat at that point.
Do you think your neighbors in the national guard
� will protect you from excesses like Abu Ghraib ?
The only necessary trigger is that someone with power
� sees you in possession of something he wants or dislikes.
Your butt is toast when it comes to getting justice under martial law -
�justice is an exile in that situation.
If you are under the illusion that innocent people never suffer,
� check out some other things 'our heroes' do:
��Reuters Employees Abused by American Troops in Iraq.
There is a lot more where that omes from,
� and it is all ignored by folk who think
� our government is an improvement on a good idea.
All it takes is one hateful neighbor with grudge
� to put you and yours into a world of hurt.

Originally posted by Teknik

Your hope won't be worth diddly squat at that point.
Do you think your neighbors in the national guard
� will protect you from excesses like Abu Ghraib ?
The only necessary trigger is that someone with power
� sees you in possession of something he wants or dislikes.
Your butt is toast when it comes to getting justice under martial law -
�justice is an exile in that situation.
If you are under the illusion that innocent people never suffer,
� check out some other things 'our heroes' do:
��Reuters Employees Abused by American Troops in Iraq.
There is a lot more where that omes from,
� and it is all ignored by folk who think
� our government is an improvement on a good idea.

It is so easy to just never have been in a war and then when a couple of soldiers do something like what happened in Abu Ghraib to bash the entire military for it.

Yes there are heroes in Iraq, American soldiers. I have a few friends in there and we keep in contact pretty often.

There are people in all walks of life that act in inhuman ways towards others, but it doesn't apply to all the military. Keep bashing the entire organization that made this country possible, that "make it possible for what it is now, and fight for you and every other American, but yet you prefer to bash them indiscrimately because of the actions of a few.

Here are a few more...humanistic photos of what happens around Iraq from a friend of mine who is serving in the army.






And no...the soldiers were not aiming their m16s to these kids..........

You can't rely on the humanity of the soldiers enforcing martial law. They'll follow orders even if they would ordinarily find those orders objectionable. Your "neighbor" will shoot you without a second thought, if the situation is right (or wrong). It's human nature.

People can shut themselves off and do the most horrible things. So, I think martial law could be instituted here. Especially with the attitude of fear propogated by those in power since 9-11.

Just look at the Stanley Milgram study...
www.new-life.net...

Most people will do anything they're told if they are told to do it by an authority figure.

we all die, some sooner than others

You are wrong Flinx, if you are given an order that you find morally to be despicable and unjust you don't have to follow it. Most soldiers will not follow an order to shoot on American civilians, unless they are shooting back. Granted, whoever in your chain of command, gave you the order is likely to send you to the brig, or if he/she is crazy enough worse, but if you follow through and present your case up the chain of command, someone will do something about it. Granted it will probably take a long time, but it can be done.

There will be a few soldiers that would probably follow such an order, even if they kill their own people, but most will not, i am sure of it.

In my humble opinion which does not carry much wight! Bush is the Nazi connection, research Prescott Bush another Skull and Bonesman! And ask your self why on Sept the 7 th Florida was placed u nder martial law and Shrub was there on the 11th readind a book to 3rd graders
Research the Bush and Bin Laden connect ti on as regards Zapata Drilling my former employer! Research GH Bush and the Bay of Pigs and CIA and Lee Harvey Oswald and Murchinson Ranch in Mexico as well as Bobby Seal piolet for CIA and Arkansas.
In short why do you not just research, the best tool available is right in front of you.

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make him drink" unknown

Oh I almost forgot, I predict Martial Law will be enforced sometime in November

Martial law is already in the works. Look at the Patriot Act I and II that are now forming part of the law of the land in the good ole' USA. People don't seem to give a crap that their freedoms and liberties and civil rights are disappearing day by day by day. All in the name of the fairy tale called 'the war on terrorism.

All Bush and his buddies need is another catastrophic event bigger than that which occurred on September 11 and he can implement whatever legislation he needs, suspend all constitutional rights, cancel the upcoming election, rev up the FEMA crews and good riddens. That is the America that I see in the very near future.

Those on the payroll of the regime will do whatever they are told. There might be a few rebels but for the most part it is 'Yes sir, right away sir'.

Tut....you are right on with the Bush crime family and all the other tidbits you threw in...good show!

By the way, don't be fooled anyone by the psy-ops going on in Iraq with the prisoner abuse BS and that well planned stage show - the execution of this mystery Berg character. These all play a role in 'the man's' program to distract and divert, eventually leading us down the garden path.


Do I believe that the average soldier from middle america would do this...not likely. But do I believe what I see coming from the Pentagon and 'Government sources'.....definitely not. CIA involved in both situations -you bet.

Originally posted by Muaddib
It is so easy to just never have been in a war and then when a couple of soldiers do something like what happened in Abu Ghraib to bash the entire military for it.
>...X...<
Keep bashing the entire organization that made this country possible, that "make it possible for what it is now, and fight for you and every other American, but yet you prefer to bash them indiscrimately because of the actions of a few.

Bashing the whole organization is not the point -
� I am sure most of the folks serving time in the military over there
� are, at heart, decent folk doing the best they can.

The problem is that the culture of violence is evolutionary.
A situation that begins as a mild clampdown on dissent can erupt.
What happened in Iraq can happen in the back alleys of America
� when Martial Law is imposed.
Just now we see how disproportionate violence exists even stateside"
��Tuscon Police officer uses taser on nine year old girl.
Who believes that this was an isolated incident?
Who believes that this has never and
� will never occur elsewhere in the U.S., ever again?
Who is willing to say martial law in the U.S. will not ignite a civil war?
(Aside from the administration...)

If you talk to the soldiers individually, at ease and on their own time,
� you will get one perspective.
Try to hold that same conversation when they are dodging bullets.
I have personally been under fire in the middle east,
� I know all too well what goes on when the bullets start flying.
Training prevails, to a point, but ideals, compassion,
� and sense of justice vanish in the shrapnel.
Purest raw emotion boils away the thin veneer of civilization,
� and what is left is animal instinct carrying weapons.

This is the risk of troops policing streets of America
� while the caged frustration of a bushwhacked citizenry comes to a boil.

Only board trolls will paint the military as a monlithic entity.
The rest of us undertand implicitly that the problem arises,
� as it does in any organization, with 'loose cannons'.
Organzations evolve, cultures evolve, missions evolve.
The problem stinks when the 'loose cannons' evolve to leadership,
� as the NeoCons have been doing.

The prisons for martial law are already set up around the country according to Alex Jones www.infowars.com... I do not know how true all of it is but sure seems like there is a plot or plan and I do not see us coming out on top.

Originally posted by The Joker
Martial law is already in the works. Look at the Patriot Act I and II that are now forming part of the law of the land in the good ole' USA.

I don't remember Patriot Act II ever getting passed, did I miss something?

I've been starting to think a lot about this whole martial law thing, and I'm honestly getting freaked out. What is everyone's opinion on being "prepared" for martial law and/or some kind of police state. I mean, do you guys have survival kits all packed and ready to go? If so, what do you have in them? MREs, first aid, etc? Weapons, even?

I'm only 20, so I don't have a huge income at the moment, but I've been thinking more and more about putting together some kind of survival kit. I was looking into buying from websites online, but I could probably just put one together myself. It's hard thinking about this, because I also have to think about my parents and my brother. If a situation arose where I needed to survive, I would want them to also. I don't know if I should buy a 4 person survival kit on my own, or just get one for myself and maybe talk to them about it later. I think it'll be hard to talk to my parents about because they'll just think I'm crazy, imagining things, or just being foolish.

What are you guys doing to be prepared? Are there any other young adults out there in the same position as I am? This would be a lot easier if I was in my 30s or 40s and had a bit of money, lol. But any advice or discussion would be appreciated.

Originally posted by Faisca
I've been starting to think a lot about this whole martial law thing, and I'm honestly getting freaked out. What is everyone's opinion on being "prepared" for martial law and/or some kind of police state. I mean, do you guys have survival kits all packed and ready to go? If so, what do you have in them? MREs, first aid, etc? Weapons, even?

I'm only 20, so I don't have a huge income at the moment, but I've been thinking more and more about putting together some kind of survival kit. I was looking into buying from websites online, but I could probably just put one together myself. It's hard thinking about this, because I also have to think about my parents and my brother. If a situation arose where I needed to survive, I would want them to also. I don't know if I should buy a 4 person survival kit on my own, or just get one for myself and maybe talk to them about it later. I think it'll be hard to talk to my parents about because they'll just think I'm crazy, imagining things, or just being foolish.

What are you guys doing to be prepared? Are there any other young adults out there in the same position as I am? This would be a lot easier if I was in my 30s or 40s and had a bit of money, lol. But any advice or discussion would be appreciated.

I wouldn't suggest you get any weapons that could label you if martial law was declared. Some will fight, and stand up to the military. But they will make an example. I think martial law is wrong, but very few will stand up, and it will be very likely they will spend many years in jail (if they are not killed while resisting). I certainly would do any peacefull thing to show my disagreement for the martial law, but you can't give them a reason to arrest you.

What do you think will happen to my collection of swords and other Japanese weapons? I don't own any guns (besides BB and pellet guns) but I own katanas, nunchuku, throwing stars and knives, sais, other bladed weapons. Do you think they'd confiscate that stuff? I mean it is only for decoration.....

Okay, how about a note of reality, here: Martial law has been declared MANY times in the past -- and it has never lead to any of the scenarios you guys keep mentioning. FEMA has had control of areas (NYC on 9/11) and in spite of what hysterics claimed, the government didn't put the whole nation under martial law and didn't suddenly start rounding up citizens and occupying towns.

Martial law is simply a mechanism that says troops can be sent in if an area is having problems. Such problems could be related to weather, riots, or accidents or terroist incidents.

It isn't maintained because it's not possible to maintain it for long periods of time.