911 Poll

"Since when did National Geographic become sensationalists?"

Since Rupert Murdoch of News Corp. decided to purchase it. You know, the same Rupert Murdoch who is the head honcho of Fox Broadcasting Company. You remember Fox don't you? The television station which has been beating the war drums for two illegal and unjustified wars since 9/11.

www.cjr.org...

When various media outlets are owned by the same disreputable agenda driven characters, do you know what you get? Crap propaganda, that's what.

The OS sounds like a lackluster sub plot or story arc from a poorly written screenplay.

No.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
None of the information that you provide states why the exercises were moved.

If they moved the exercises out of their normal scheduling just to make 9/11 go through easier, what would you EXPECT them to say about moving it? The truth? I notice you have no comment on everything else lining up being a massive coincidence and not "routine" at all.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
What is the point of this poll?

Do you really hope to get an accurate presentation of what the public believes here?

Gee willikers COOL. Do you have your eyes glued tightly shut?

It is a poll of ATS members.

There are many previous scientific polls showing that millions of Americans and people worldwide think the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY is a gigantic lie, and the numbers are growing yearly.

There is nothing you can do to stop it, so why are you WASTING your valuable time arguing with a bunch of conspiracy theorists?

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Update to the poll from this pg.

No 407 voted, the government lied about 911.
Yes 20 voted, the government told the truth about 911.

I will continue counting as more votes come in.

Originally posted by impressme
Update to the poll from this pg.

No 407 voted, the government lied about 911.
Yes 20 voted, the government told the truth about 911.

I will continue counting as more votes come in.

And I will continue to star every vote tally you post up.

Thank You for creating this thread/poll.





We Surround them...Think about that!

reply to post by bsbray11

How did you arrive at your way of thinking? Do you think special rules apply to me and everyone else here you don't agree with?

No - look, you're missing my point. You're saying that a majority of people agree with you. If that's so, and the majority of people are ill-informed (literally so, by your own contention, by the MSM) then what does that say about the worth of their opinion?

All throughout public schooling they did the opposite for me, put me in a bunch of "gifted" classes until I opted out of them myself.

Er, okay. You were in the top set at school. How many gold stars did you get?

You know, we give you good reason here every day to doubt what they say, but you never fail to find a way to dismiss anything we say. Even when it's obvious we have made a logical point you'll divert away from it and try to obfuscate it into something else. ...And you know that's not even the tip of the iceberg. And you wonder why people believe this stuff?

I wonder why a majority believe it if, as you contend, it is absent from MSM. That's a side issue though. You're back to a point where your only proof is that someone else can't convince you.

Ultimately this is a lifeless argument. Furthermore it will not help you achieve your goal because people who are on the fence will need more than just you shouting at them to "prove" things about which they have no expertise.

Mind you, I'm increasingly unsure as to what your goal is.

Sure, but so do I. So we are both well-informed but still completely divided on an extremely controversial/emotional issue for Americans. And you think it's because some "truther movement" invented a bunch of fake evidence and brainwashed me, right?

Not at all. I think it's because you're searching for meaning where there is none.

I have never cared what most people think and I will continue not to care until the day I die.

That's not how it looks here. You seem positively buoyant to be among the majority.

For years, do you know how often people such as yourself would rub it in my face that I belonged to a minority?

Ah. Perhaps that's why.

I don't care. And I agree as a rule Americans are very misinformed, intentionally

And yet a majority of them agree with you. Apparently.


Nah, I've received plenty enough u2us and people thanking me on threads for posting various sources of information, that I know I am contributing, even if very little.

In the echo chamber of a TM-orientated website. From people who already agreed with you.

I wrote

I've seen no evidence that you've ever changed anyone's mind.

That's forgivable because you aren't me.

I note you don't show any.

I can tell you are just thinking of me as your classic looney. I'm flattered. Is this what YOU would do if you were convinced 9/11 was an inside job? Stand in the street harassing strangers? Yeah, don't think so.

If I thought my country was being run by a cabal of insane, murderous profiteers, willing to kill indiscriminately and ruthlessly, then I can tell you what I wouldn't be doing: going on the internet and chatting about it on a website where 98 per cent of people agree with me. I repeat:

You ought to be lending your time and talents to organisations that are attempting to put this on the national agenda. If you spent as much time organising fund raising or mailouts or a grass roots legal campaign as you do on here then you would actually be contributing something.

No, then you would just accuse me of trying to scam people out of their money. Trust me, everything we do, you are so biased, you can marginalize it or explain it in a different way, even if absurd and totally ill-founded.

Hang on. I thought you didn't care what "we" thought or said about you. And yet the main thing stopping you doing something concrete is the risk of what I might say about it. Or the risk of looking like a "looney".

Your lack of action comes across as a lack of conviction, I'm afraid. Perhaps that's why you make up for it here by writing in such a strident and aggressive manner.

I already told you legal options are neither affordable or practical for me. I'm sure you would have a field day if I went to NY or DC wielding a shot gun, so I'd be in all the papers and you could tell all your buddies you used to argue with that nutter online every day.

I'm not suggesting that you do this. Indeed I suggest you don't.

But you must realise that there are better outlets for your time than trying to convince a tiny minority of hardened sceptics on a website where everybody else agrees with you. Especially if you really believe your conclusions.

Says the person who already dismisses multiple non-profit organizations of hundreds of relevant professionals out of hand.

But that's my point. If those people hadn't got together and organised you wouldn't be able to hold them up as "evidence". I repeat: no revolutionary movement - and that it was 9/11 Truth effectively is - has ever been the product of a single individual's activities.

I may - indeed I do - consider AE911 and all those other groups to be nutjobs, but at least they're trying to do something about it. At least they have the courage of their convictions.

I didn't say it was insurmountable and I don't actually believe that.

And yet you're not willing to help? Given that you really think that you risk living in a world like 1984, or being carted off to an internment camp, I'm surprised that your only response is to argue about it on the internet. Given the stakes involved, can you really afford to do so little?

1 more vote for NO the origional story is not the truth.

That is my take on it. We've been lied to, pure and simple.

there are well over 400 posts in this thread and I cant count more that 8 people who believe the official story. Thats amazing.

Keep it up guys. The story sellers are falling like flies. One day these supporters of terrorism will be punished if they are willfully lying on boards such as this one.

reply to post by Shadow Herder

If you believe in a creator who 'cares' about Oaths taken in THE NAME,There's really no actual escape from Justice for these guys and their co-conspirators,most of whom are lawyers,officers and other officials given power.They all swear to uphold and protect,etc.

Easier for those and these would be jail time in the here and now to what would await FOREVER.


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Originally posted by Shadow Herder
there are well over 400 posts in this thread and I cant count more that 8 people who believe the official story. Thats amazing.

Keep it up guys. The story sellers are falling like flies. One day these supporters of terrorism will be punished if they are willfully lying on boards such as this one.

Once again the utopian strand of 9/11 Truth appears. One day you'll get to string up all the debunkers and everybody else who's annoyed you. Good luck with that.

And, by the way, I voted "No" and I think the Truth Movement is full of -Snip-.

Mod Edit - Please Do Not Evade The Automatic Censors.

[edit on Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:07:48 -0600 by MemoryShock]

No, they didn't tell the truth.

The results so far extremely encouraging. If only that was typical of general populace. Folks - please share these results and the information here with your friends.
Once someone has opened their eyes and mind, and found the truth, and the horror and what the government did, they dont forget. So the pool of people who know is ever growing, never shrinking.
At some point, it will become overpowering and the MSM will have to carry it. It wont be easy of without great turmoil, but it must come.
Dont be shy dont be afraid - tell your friends.
As the saying goes "Lets Roll!".

Update to the poll from this pg.

No 409 voted, the government lied about 911.
Yes 20 voted, the government told the truth about 911.

I will continue counting as more votes come in.

This proves on ATS, that the truth has not been told about 911.

reply to post by impressme


No, they have not told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Obvious reasons to my thoughts are the relationship between the Bush family, and the Al Saud family, and the Bin Laden family.

These two books alone have enough information, pre-9/11, to show prior knowledge.

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And the Project for the New American Century shows not only prior knowledge, but it shows pre-meditated plans of those within the Bush Administration, to take full advantage of the events of September 11th.

Both for the purposes of drawing us into the Iraq War and using "terror" as a pretext, among many other things.

Barely 20 out of over 400 posts believe the official fairy tale?

Wow. 20 seems a little high. I wonder how many of these '20' have multiple accounts?

well 5% percent believers seems right anyways.

[edit on 11-2-2010 by Shadow Herder]

Maybe the American people are not quite as stupid as the 9-11 perps assumed.

Is it probable President Obama has confiscated 9-11 funds because of our collapsing economy and another 5% of yes voters are withholding their votes on this poll in protest?

Some of the government loyalists are conspicuous by their absence.

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[edit on 2/11/10 by SPreston]

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
there are well over 400 posts in this thread and I cant count more that 8 people who believe the official story. Thats amazing.

Keep it up guys. The story sellers are falling like flies. One day these supporters of terrorism will be punished if they are willfully lying on boards such as this one.

That's amazing. Not more than a few posts before this one they posted the actual results and you couldn't even get that right. You can't even be bothered to scroll up and you expect to lead a movement to the "truth".

C'mon even you have to think that is pathetic.

Originally posted by hooper
C'mon even you have to think that is pathetic.

I think it's more pathetic that you're trying to insult him for not reading every post when he was close enough and had the right idea anyway.


And on another thread while I was talking about WTC7, in multiple posts, you brought up some NIST quote about the Twin Towers as if it were relevant. C'mon, even you have to think that is pathetic.

Come up with something more relevant to bitch about. You don't have to be a sourpuss just because you're losing the poll.

[edit on 12-2-2010 by bsbray11]

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Which thread was the one about WTC 7, I really forget.

Not to derail this thread the NIST quote was simple and to the point, there is insufficient data regarding collapse time to make any clear argument about resistance and free-fall. Insufficient data. End of story on free-fall.