Obama's budget kills moon rocket and shakes up NASA

I am rather bemused that out of the trillion dollar so called stimulus bill no money could be found for NASA . Still the last admin vision for the US return to the moon and heading to Mars was at best a pipe dream . If the US does return to the moon I would say that it would be a joint project with India . India would largely finance the missions with the US supplying technical expertise .

You can pretty much say goodbye to Kennedy Flight Center, and Johnson.. "Houston, we have a problem". You know I am pretty much still trying to figure out were the stimulus money went, and now the administration want to firesale NASA and put all those people out of work. One step forward, Two steps back. The space programs needs to maintained for many reason, the most important being the future of humanity may depend on it. Even if the US does not go it alone, there are plenty of partners chomping at the bit to partner with NASA for their expertise. Russia runs their program like a business, so why can't NASA?? Instead they want to put people out of jobs.... nice work

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Ok - where is that money?

It should be pumped back into the economy.

If it has vanished there should be questions, starting with Obama.

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Ok - where is that money?

It should be pumped back into the economy.

If it has vanished there should be questions, starting with Obama.

Sorry for double post - server breakdown.

Originally posted by learningtofly
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Ok - where is that money?

It should be pumped back into the economy.

If it has vanished there should be questions, starting with Obama.

It will be pumped into the economy shortly and then BANG, hyperinflation.

The banks need to pull the money back, in the 70's they increased the money supply by around 12%, that meant interest rates of 20% from banks and higher living costs.

Right now the money supply has been increased by 120%, do the maths and vomit, if you love money that is or shopping unless you can afford interest rates of 200% from high street lenders that is.

Game over it seems is the answer as far as I can see unless there is some major changes.

In the meantime, look at food products and notice that the quality and quantity are being reduced on an almost monthly basis as well as the prices creeping up. They are trying to hide it right now but it will only last so long before it goes Zimbabwe.

I mean, in the UK a packet of crisps as one small example used to contain between 48g to 55g and was priced at a range of 30p to 35p tops. 1 year later a bag contains 28g, some even 25g and they cost between 50p and 65p. It would now cost approximately £1.20 for a bag of crisps that cost only 30p - 35p a year ago (400% increase approx).
That might not seem like a big deal but take that over the whole cost of living and its unbelievable how much the cost to live is increasing and the rate at which it is going up.

As far as the topic is, I think the US simply cannot afford to go into space anymore, nothing sinister about it.

Cheers!



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I think the reason why Obama is scraping back on the the NASA budget is because very soon, everything that NASA has been lying through their teeth about is going to go public.

I hope this budget cut provides adequate incentive for someone to finally produce true anti-gravity technology for manned space exploration. NASA has had their 50 years of ignoring it. Time to move on now to a real space exploration and colonization agency - and leave the lame rockets to warhead delivery.

OK, Obama is backing away because there is going to be a huge disclaimer or statement - omg the sh willl definitely htf here.

I thought, for one little minute, or maybe a few seconds, that Obama actually cared about America - uh oh - I was so wrong.

We will just have to wait for the liars to come out and tell the truth - it will probably kill them.

My Take on this..

1.Anyone remember the TV program "space 1999"? It wasn't NASA that put the moon base up it was the EU space agency.
2. Anyone remember the Movie "2001 space odyssy"? It wasn't NASA that put the moon base up it was the EU space agency.
3. Anyone remember the Movie "2010 space odyssy"? Again it wasn't NASA it was the EU space agency.
My point being it doesn't matter who go back to the moon be it NASA or the EU or anyone else. As long as it done. Ive noticed people are saying. "We should take care of the worlds problems instead of spending money on foolish space adventures". If you take away the Dream then whats the point of living in the mundane, where everything is programed and you follow along like good little sheeple. And are CONTROLLED.
One still needs to have imagination, and to look for the special things no matter the cost. If we give this up our dreams of exploration and to better ourselves and humaity then we as a people are doomed to the numbness of everyday existence...

Course if there was just one space agency being funded by all peoples of the world, we might just have a shot. I was 7 when they landed on the moon in 1969. From then on the spark of imagination took flight. Lets not kill off imagination folks, for without it everything becomes dull.

my thoughts.

I would be hard pressed to say that now is the time to be spending billions on space exploration when we can barely afford anything at home.

I mean, space is useful, if you have the money to make use of the resources, which right now I don't think is the case.

I think Obama is worried about helping the people of this country, and keeping everyone on their feet. I don't think that involves the moon at this moment.

I think you are starting to see private companies become more of a viable option in the space flight arena. I work at an aerospace company. While I see alot of NASA hardware, I also see hardware from other private companies who are preparing to enter the field. Virgin is one that most people are familiar with but there is also another company, Blue Origin. This company is owned by Amazon founder & billionaire, Jeff Bezos. I've heard through the grapevine that they are preparing/testing a vehicle that would be able to ferry people back & forth from the ISS.

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It's sad to read all the posts where people think we should have peace on Earth before we do anything else. This seems to be an attitude I hear a lot, and not just with space but with all kinds of scientific advancements and exploration.

Accept reality people. We will never stop fighting each other and there will allways be the haves and havenots. Quit living in fantasy land. If we put things off just because people are sick or poor or because people are engaged in war then we will never do anything. We won't make progress in any area.

As for the economy, well that's seems logical on the surface, but doesn't hold up when you really look at the situation. The amount of money that would have been required is a drop in the ocean compared to the rest of the budget. In addition no money is ever sent to space. It is all spent right here on earth. In the state of the union address last night Obama talked about the US taking a lead in science and engenieering and inspiring kids to take an interest in these subjects... What is a better way to do that than to have a real space program? He also talked about how a business hired an extra employee here or 3 or 4 there. What a joke. If he wants to really create jobs NASA would be a great way to do it. He said he thinks that China shouldn't be taking the lead in technology, but apparently he thinks building trains are better than building a Moon base or going on to Mars... WTF!?

Originally posted by Eye of Horus
My Take on this..

1.Anyone remember the TV program "space 1999"? It wasn't NASA that put the moon base up it was the EU space agency.
2. Anyone remember the Movie "2001 space odyssy"? It wasn't NASA that put the moon base up it was the EU space agency.
3. Anyone remember the Movie "2010 space odyssy"? Again it wasn't NASA it was the EU space agency.

1. Space 1999 was created by Gerry Anderson the same person who created the series UFO. Considering that he was a Brit and the show was made in the UK it is no surprise that it was the EU Space Agency.

2 and 3 Both were created by Arthur C. Clarke. Guess what? Another Brit.


If Obama wants his simulus plan to work, he should be pouring money into NASA with a goal of going back to the Moon and Mars. This would revitalize the technical industry like nothing else could. This would create hundreds if not thousands of good paying jobs. The people benefitting from these jobs are the ones who pay taxes, including school taxes. This would also create an interest in engineering and the hard sciences, which would help solve some of our education problems.

Oh wait. Nope can't do it. Somebody might make a profit. Our educational system isn't setup to handle anything more than social brainwashing. This doesn't do anything for the people on welfare or illegal aliens. Damn. Well it was an idea.

In my opinion this is the worse news for NASA and for USA.

The new competitors on the horizon like China, India, Russia and Japan they could make giants steps in the next few years when they will arrive on the Moon and they will be able to acquire the same acquaintances, in a short time, that NASA has acquired during these 40 years!

The Economic Future is in the Space and NASA has lost the game!

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I have a few thoughts about this. I'll try to keep them organized, but all I really want to do is scream.

First off, to those of you who are applauding Obama for this decision. If you buy into what he's saying, I feel you're on the wrong website. You need to demonstrate some intelligence. He does nothing for the "good of the people". Remember the term, "False flags". I would highly suggest you question his true motives for such a thing. You think he's going to really funnel any of the money from this back into our schools, streets, etc.? Nope.

According to a report in the Orlando Sentinel, the forthcoming budget -- which the president will announce in detail during Wednesday night's State of the Union address -- will include no funding for lunar landers, no moon bases, and no Constellation program at all. Instead, NASA will outsource space flight to other governments

This quote was taken from the Fox News website. (I certainly don't trust Fox at all, but it's about as MSM as you get)

Remember people, Obama is a puppet. So just maybe MAYBE he is bowing out our nation to his true leaders. You can expect many other things from our country to continue being shut down and simply handed away in the future.

I am upset about this. It's obvious. This ignorant puppet of a president is destroying our nation. I just hope we have something left by the time his term ends. Assuming he doesn't declare Martial Law or something and use an Executive Order and stretch that out as well.

Without the space agency america will be a third world country and it only seems that america is being taken down from within again and again no matter how much i dont want to believe it.. again no space program no America!!! Think about it!

I am so mad at hearing this. NASA needs more than "day to day business" missions. NASA NEEDS the "big dream" missions to keep its spirit alive in the public's mind. Without public interest, NASA will wither on the vine.

Can we do better science with robots as opposed to sending humans? Probably, but what we lose is that sense of wonder of looking at points of light in the sky and saying, "We have been there. Mankind stepped onto that shinning light in the sky."

We used to be able to get that kind of wonder looking up at a tall mountain, or outward to the horizon or looking across a vast ocean. But in these times, such things are common place and ordinary. We do not need to go to these places anymore as individuals because we have seen others do it numerous times and it loses its glitter. These dreams of climbing the mountain or crossing the oceans have become tarnished as everyday occurances without risk or challenge.

Mankind needs frontiers to strive against. I do not understand why more people do not realize that if we stop pushing at the frontiers, we will lose our way. For a brief moment, in 1969, one man, taking one small step, united an entire WORLD of people in excitement and wonder at what we, as human beings, could achieve. We, as Americans, are rightfully proud of what we achieved that day, but we did not achieve it alone. Even though only one man took that first step onto the moon,and that man was an American, all of mankind took that step with him. I was not alive that day, but I cannot image a single person, seeing this event, and not saying to themselves, "Look at what WE did". Without NASA this would not have been possible. And I believe that only NASA could have made this possible.

America is going to lose its only ticket into space on a gamble that private companies might be able to pick up the slack sometime in the future and until that happens, we will be beholden to the Russians to be generous enough to allow us to buy seats on the Soyuz.

We are basically going to start hitch hiking into space!!

Now I do believe that private companies should be encouraged toward building vehicles to get into space, but I do not think we should give up on publicly funded, researched and built launch vehicles. The private sector should be an important part of this process, but I do not believe that the entire endeavor should be surrendered to them.

But I know I won't win everyone with this argument, so let me put this on a more pratcial level. How many THOUSANDS of jobs will this kill? You can not build a fleet of launch vehicles without an army of engineers, draftsman, machinists, scientists and all the support staff needed to do these things. Those billions of dollars are not wasted, they are spent employing people and purchasing equipment (made by OTHER people, who also need their jobs) and so on.

I call this move penny wise and dollar foolish.

The Review of Human Space Flight Plans committee (which recommended NOT going to the moon) was led by Norm Augustine. Norm Augustine was a former CEO of Lockheed Martin. If Steven Greer's information concerning alien technology being in the hands of corporations now and not the government's hands is accurate than Lockheed Martin would be on the list of companies most likely to have this information. If the stories of alien moon bases are real and the aliens don't want us there (which is why the Apollo missions were cut short ever after being fully funded and built) and Norm Augustine was in the know due to working at Lockheed than most likely he "passed the message" from MJ12 to cease the moon missions or the "world will know the truth." If we are indeed working with aliens who are benevolent creatures who want us eventually to be part of the galaxies' civilizations and the timing isn't right for whatever reason than the powers that be would craftfully make the moon mission go away to come again another day... Also, if Obama is indeed planning on disclosure and since we are having financial difficulties than Obama would know about the secret spaceships, Nasa being a front for these ships, would also know about alien moon bases, etc. etc. than (if I was him) why spend the money going to the moon if he already knows all of this and America's secret toys and wants to keep on the aliens good side because frankly our little planet is toast without their help than not going to the moon would make sense. (sidenote: Bush junior started the moon return idea - his father Bush senior was head of the CIA therefore would know all of the above- Republican's military connection, shooting down UFO's, let's piss them off and go back to the moon so we can shoot down more of them etc etc and get into the interplanetary war.... whoaa slow down haus!)

ESA, Japan, China and India are still planning moon mission - including a lunar base - ESA hosted a multi-national lunar base. Conference is held every year.

Restricting NASA budget, and possible breaking the organisation up, is not link to possible disclosure. In my opinion.