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Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by mcrom901
jim, any news?
I've gotten blown off by the PAO -- will need to unlimber the FOIA guns.
Originally posted by mcrom901
reply to post by JimOberg
ntrs.nasa.gov...
Originally posted by mcrom901
Originally posted by JimOberg
I'm more interested in the TOPPING FES STARTUP item, and at what time it actually occurred. That's what I'm trying to wring out of PAO -- but he needs access to the FAO logs.
and what happens next..... if it will be confirmed to have actually occurred around the mentioned MET D07/11:45
Originally posted by mcrom901
reply to post by JimOberg
jeeeez jim... i'm not reminding you to do anything... in fact, quite to the contrary, pointing you to the data in question which had already been obtained from the a/m nasa report, which you constantly seem to ignore... as such there is NO i repeat NO need for any foia requests here...
Originally posted by mcrom901
according to the flight plan, the maneuver activity was @ 7/2:25
whereas... the footage was captured around met 7/8:53
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by wmd_2008a very very small force may be all thats required to change direction/speed etc.
Yes but unless you wish to challenge the laws of physics, you need to explain why the objects move in curved trajectories. In space where there is no air drag, objects move in a vector when force is applied so they would make angular turns
In order for them to exhibit the curving maneuvers we see they would need a constant force applied. And considering the multitude of directions, you need to account for a lot of force vectors
Here on Earth dust may flit around like we see, but not in space.
But if you wish to rewrite Newton I am all ears.
Otherwise your argument is a lot of hot air
Zorgon, you're a likeable guy, so it pains me to see you making mistakes in such a consistent manner.
There's plenty of air drag in space -- it's why nearby particles are cleared out of the shuttle vicinity in a matter of tens of minutes.
Course changes can occur during thruster firings -- which can last for many seconds, pushing gently all the time -- or other even-more-long-lived effluent dumps such as water releases, flash evaporator runs, APU test firings, other outgassing events.
Boy, it sure would be nice if we could compare these exact scenes with the exact list of shuttle activities during the same period.
But we can't. And you know why -- the coverup. The youtube posters refuse to provide the information needed to determine WHICH intervals to examine.
How convenient for the UFO theories.
[edit on 11-6-2009 by JimOberg]
admin edit: DO NOT resort to childish namecalling, it's not what we do here.
[edit on 6-11-2009 by Springer]
Originally posted by Pimander
Now take a look at the section of this video (which you used in your analysis) at about 5m0s to 5m25s.
In this section from about 5mthere are obviously moving UFO's that become more in focus when the tether becomes more in focus. Using your logic that means that those UFO's are further from the shuttle than 105m NOT nearer.
It looks suspiciously like you selected a section of the sequence for analysis or were careless not to study other sections. A proper analysis would involve obtaining the original video for a start! You would also need to analyse the whole sequence to see if your findings are consistent or repeatable.
Another criticism would be that a lot of what you assume is the camera focus changing appears like it is just as likely to be someone tampering with the contrast. How have you eliminated that possibility? There is even one point when one of the voices mentions contrast. Most images are altered using software long before they make it to utube and even NASA 'originals', which you don't have, hardly have the reputation of being squeaky clean. In fact the images are such poor quality (NASA, the richest research organisation in the world) the tether is NEVER in focus as it doesn't even look like the tether - as one of the communicators from Houston points out.
In fact if your analysis was more convincing it might help show that it is likely some of the UFO's are not ice particles near the camera.edit on 20-12-2010 by Pimander because: Typo corrected
Originally posted by JimOberg
Well, since my last debunking bonus check has been held up in the mail since 1998, I've had to get a real job to eat.
Seriously, I want to dig this out but frankly the priority on my list of 'space puzzles' isn't as high as I'm sure you think it deserves.
Admittedly, it would be higher if I didn't expect, based on past performance, that any results I come up with wouldn't be knee-jerk blown off like other research -- most notably on STS-48 and STS-80 pseudo-UFO-videos -- has been.
Since there is a near-infinite catalog of youtube 'space UFO' videos, it's an endless treadmill of frustrations trying to repeatedly respond to the "OK, yes, but what about THIS one?" mantra.
But I did promise -- and you are justified in reminding me.
Listen to what the voice says in the video: "I completely unzoomed...I tried to adjust the focus but I can't get it any better than that".
Originally posted by Pimander
I have posted some material relevant to this thread
Here is part of it.
Originally posted by Pimander
Another criticism would be that a lot of what you assume is the camera focus changing appears like it is just as likely to be someone tampering with the contrast. How have you eliminated that possibility?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
So he says what he did, and the video appears to show exactly what he said he did.
Yet you would like us to consider it was a contrast adjustment? It's not just as likely, because he doesn't say anything about adjusting contrast, he says he adjusted the zoom and focus.
FAIL!
Originally posted by depthoffield
Hyperfocal distance for this NASA camera is 105 meters !
So, we already have one value which greatly clarify the situation here!
When this NASA camera is focused to infinite, at maximum zoom, all the objects further from 105 meters will be in focus (here the stars and the tether). But, our objects which we clearly see they are out of focus (producing bokeh discs) must be close than 105 meters!!!
This is first approach to the reality of the distance to the unfocused objects.
Originally posted by Pimander
It looks suspiciously like you selected a section of the sequence for analysis or were careless not to study other sections. A proper analysis would involve obtaining the original video for a start! You would also need to analyse the whole sequence to see if your findings are consistent or repeatable.
Originally posted by Pimander
Now take a look at the section of this video (which you used in your analysis) at about 5m0s to 5m25s.
In this section from about 5mthere are obviously moving UFO's that become more in focus when the tether becomes more in focus. Using your logic that means that those UFO's are further from the shuttle than 105m NOT nearer.
Originally posted by Pimander
It looks suspiciously like you selected a section of the sequence for analysis or were careless not to study other sections.
Originally posted by Pimander
A proper analysis would involve obtaining the original video for a start!
Originally posted by Pimander
You would also need to analyse the whole sequence to see if your findings are consistent or repeatable.
Originally posted by Pimander
Another criticism would be that a lot of what you assume is the camera focus changing appears like it is just as likely to be someone tampering with the contrast. How have you eliminated that possibility? There is even one point when one of the voices mentions contrast.