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Originally posted by JimOberg
I'm still getting the brush-off from my JSC PAO contact, and it
looks like i'm going to have to use the FOIA option.
I suspect the lack of interest to be based on simple contempt
for the subject matter and for the people who remain curious.
But I'm aware there are other potential interpretations of motives,
and frankly, I'm fed up with defending NASA against such suspicions.
Originally posted by mcrom901
"Finally, and most intriguing, the tether current and satellite potential remained virtually unchanged as the tether broke and separated from the Orbiter..."
Originally posted by mcrom901
Originally posted by depthoffield
that time, when "no thrusters or other gas or water releases were in progress " is NOT the time when the movie was shot ( 1 Mars 1996 05:28 to 5:38 GMT ). In fact, the full quote, contains the temporal description, which is "PRIOR TO THE BREAK"
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well.... it seems you did not pay enough attention to the full report....
The tether break, in retrospect, has provided an intriguing and potentially valuable event in which large currents (in excess of one amp) at high satellite potentials (greater than 1 kV) began flowing approximately 10 s prior to the break and continued for about 90 s after separation (Gilchrist et al., 1998).
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Originally posted by mcrom901
i suppose you still did not understand as to what was mentioned therein....
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Originally posted by JimOberg
You are still stubbornly misunderstanding the meaning of this phrase when you insist it applies to the video taken four days later, four days after the tether broke and separated. At that point, four days later, the shuttle was actually approaching the tether, overtaking it in the tether's higher, slower orbit. The shuttle then passed beneath the tether and drew away from it again.
Electrodynamic tethers convert mechanical energy into electrical energy in a classical demonstration of Faraday's law. The TSS-1R configuration was such that the satellite received a positive bias from the motional emf of the tether and collected electrons from the ionosphere. The resulting electrical current was conducted through the tether to the Orbiter where the circuit was closed back to the ionosphere (see Figure 1). There were four possible electrical configurations of the TSS: (1) open circuit with no current flow—which placed the full tether-generated emf across the open switch; (2) passive current closure—in which current was controlled by adding a load resistance in series with the tether and closure was through the collection of positive ions by conducting surfaces on the negatively charged Orbiter; (3) addition of the SETS experiment's FPEG (electron gun) to the above circuit to discharge the Orbiter; and (4) use of the ASI-provided Core electron gun—in which case tether current flowed directly to the gun cathode (the Orbiter was not part of the electrical circuit) and was emitted back in to the ionosphere.
Tethered Satellite System (TSS) "science of opportunity," during Columbia's final approach to within 46 nautical miles of the satellite, included firing the electron accelerators in Columbia's cargo bay. The electron guns' effects on the charged particles, electrical waves and magnetic fields around the satellite were detected by the Research on Electrodynamic Tether Effects, Research on Orbital Plasma Electrodynamics and Magnetic Field Experiment for TSS Mission's instruments mounted on the satellite. All three instrument teams reported receiving good quality data from the satellite, data which are now being analyzed by the experiment investigators.
Columbia's astronauts had a clear view of the Tethered Satellite as the two spacecraft passed within about 46 nautical miles overnight. The closest approach occurred at 11:17 central time last night (approximately 7/08:59 MET), and was captured on videotape as the satellite and its 12-mile tether came into view.
Meanwhile, flight controllers monitored the Tethered Satellite through ground stations as its batteries drained, but not before holding in for last night's fly-by.
Stubbs is waiting for NASA to weigh in on the STS-75 footage; the video wasn't made public until March. He discounts ice crystals and other forms of near-foreground "shuttle dandruff.''
"These objects, particularly the spheres, are clearly going behind the tether,'' he insists. "And the tether is what, 70, 80 miles away? I've heard the argument that, well, surely if things that big could be seen from that far away, they should be visible here on Earth as well. But how can we know what an unknown phenomenon in space looks like from our perspective here on the ground?''
But that's exactly what you could expect to see, argues Dr. Joseph Nuth, head of the Astrochemistry Branch Lab for Extraterrestrial Physics at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.
"If you've got mile-wide flying saucers -- which they'd probably have to be, to be seen at that distance from the shuttle -- and six or eight of 'em at least, according to (Stubbs' interpretation), I can't imagine somebody on the ground not seeing it,'' said Nuth, who watched the "Smoking Gun'' video.
Furthermore, Nuth said space isn't a pristine environment.
"When you're in a vacuum, things just de-gas and pop out,'' he said. "All the stuff comes out of little cracks and it does it the entire time it's up there, because the shuttle basically carries an atmosphere with it. Personally, I think Oberg's explanation is perfectly reasonable.''
• Story originally published in • Florida Today | By Billy Cox - June 2 2000
Originally posted by secretnasaman
reply to post by depthoffield
Easynow is correct when he says 'get more tape from NASA'. No less than Dr. Joseph A. Nuth, who was head of the Astrochemistry Branch during the STS-75 "incident", at NASAs Goddard Space Flight Center wrote about the "near-field" theory regarding objects seen on the NASA video I (we-our research group which included my friend & co-producer of "Evidence: A Case for NASA UFOs"... David Sereda) had sent him.
He E mailed us suggesting a simple way to avoid the mind numbing research of the kind that this thread gets into.
He suggests that NASA provide not only the video under discussion...which is what easynow wants...He wants NASA to turn over the video from ALL NASA cameras observing the "Tether sighting".
Dr. Nuth writes, "obtain...(from NASA)...more evidence of the original sighting...from additional shuttle camera tapes...to see if the same objects were seen on these. If these objects were large, then the same objects should appear on 2 or more cameras & these can be used to triangulate the distance from the shuttle to the object.
He continues..."If there are no objects that appear simultaneously on 2 or more cameras, then one must conclude that the objects seen are in the near-field of the individual camera".
There you go...a PHD says the same easynow...it is that simple!
Originally posted by mcrom901
and what does your understanding say in regards to these phrases....
Originally posted by secretnasaman
Great work Depthoffield, who ever you are!
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I appreciate that commitment.
Originally posted by secretnasaman
That does not change my position on this "Tether Analysis". I believe that we are witnessing a true UFO event.
Originally posted by secretnasaman
I believe that this STS-75 tethered satellite break provides conclusive evidence to actually disprove NASAs claim-& yours- that the phenomenon seen on video is ice, debris & meteors. For me they remain UFOs.
Originally posted by secretnasaman
reply to post by depthoffield
Easynow is correct when he says 'get more tape from NASA'.
Originally posted by secretnasaman
No less than Dr. Joseph A. Nuth, who was head of the Astrochemistry Branch during the STS-75 "incident", at NASAs Goddard Space Flight Center wrote about the "near-field" theory regarding objects seen on the NASA video I (we-our research group which included my friend & co-producer of "Evidence: A Case for NASA UFOs"... David Sereda) had sent him.
He E mailed us suggesting a simple way to avoid the mind numbing research of the kind that this thread gets into.
He suggests that NASA provide not only the video under discussion...which is what easynow wants...He wants NASA to turn over the video from ALL NASA cameras observing the "Tether sighting".
Dr. Nuth writes, "obtain...(from NASA)...more evidence of the original sighting...from additional shuttle camera tapes...to see if the same objects were seen on these. If these objects were large, then the same objects should appear on 2 or more cameras & these can be used to triangulate the distance from the shuttle to the object.
He continues..."If there are no objects that appear simultaneously on 2 or more cameras, then one must conclude that the objects seen are in the near-field of the individual camera".
There you go...a PHD says the same easynow...it is that simple!
Sunlit particulates appear brighter than stars, entire cities, and even lightning strokes.
Originally posted by depthoffield
And i showed to you that your quote is NOT related to day of tether filming (1 mars 1996), but a few days before, the day of tether break, especially 10 second prior and 90 second after the break. So, your suggestion was simply wrong. In 1 mars 1996 could be thrusters or gas or water or waste dumps, recontacts whatever.
Originally posted by depthoffield
I answered to this.
there is no easy way of getting around the problem of a star being effectively 0-dimensional and the tether 1-dimensional.... this is made most apparent by imagining what happens when you defocus the sky (2-dimensional).... it stays the same surface brightness..... the tether will thus still be intermediate between the 0-D and 2-D cases..... disappearing more gradually than a star as you defocus
Originally posted by JimOberg
I'm more interested in the TOPPING FES STARTUP item, and at what time it actually occurred. That's what I'm trying to wring out of PAO -- but he needs access to the FAO logs.
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Originally posted by depthoffield
horizontal_senzor_size = 2 x focal_length x tan (fov_horizontal/2)
or
horizontal_senzor_size = 2 x 108 x tan (6.6/2) = 12.45 mm