SC Lt. Gov: Poor Like "Stray Animals." Don't Feed Them or "They Breed."

reply to post by Doc Velocity

The "rich guy" who signs the paycheck is the economic engine, okay? The economic engine runs the nation. Big guy at the top signs your paychecks, and you get a new apartment, new computer, new nose job, a new house, so all the perceived good things in life are products of this economic engine.

Well why don't you ask the "rich guys" why they sent all of our jobs overseas for slave labor? How in the hell is this supposed to help our economic engine genius? IT doesn't. Yes, it drops prices...but also ends jobs. We can thank or crappy ass trade policies for that disaster. Our government gave a green light for corporations to do it. Yep...our corrupted government did it...corrupted by CORPORATIONS that your idiotic pea sized brain simply cannot comprehend.

My father told me the same thing....and I replied the same way. Without good productive jobs our economy will fail. When there is too much money at the top....our economy will fail.

The only businesses I will support are small businesses and larger businesses that are solely AMERICAN...businesses that actually believe IN THE CONSTITUTION AND OUR LAWS and do what they can to make this country...and the people within....better.

Don't try to tell me "there are no jobs out there"... That's a load of horseshît. There are jobs everywhere...

WHERE????? I live near Grand Rapids, MI. A few years ago I was sifting through the job section of the paper. There were literally pages and pages of jobs.

HOw is it now? 1/4 to 1/2 a page. THAT'S IT. What are most of those jobs? Medical or truck driving. Last I checked the unemployment rate in Michigan is the highest in the country.

Oh...but DOC VELOCITY says there are jobs everywhere!!!!!!!!!

It's the "comfort" factor that prevents the poor from seeking work: "Oh, that job is too far away and it requires a car and I'd have to buy gas all the time and..."

"Comfort" factor? It's called surviving. It's called keeping violence down. It's called "Keeping people from stealing all of your crap."

Hell yeah, they will make one million excuses for staying on welfare and not getting a job.

Kind of like how you are making one million excuses for trashing the poor.

Doc.......you need to see a doc.

Originally posted by Arcane Demesne

Originally posted by habfan1968

I disagree, the poor will have to choose between paying for school or let's say some necessity and of course choose necessity, by passing the kids education. Private education costs about $10,000 a year here in Ontario for kids from kindergarten to grade 8 then increases from grades 9 - 12, competition would surely bring the price down, but to a level where it's affordable for the masses of poverty line families is not realistic. Say it was $3000 a year per child how many could afford it then?

If the avg American makes 30k/yr (that's 15% income tax versus 25% if they made over 32k/yr), and income tax was abolished (which is what we need in order for the libertarian market to commence), that would free up roughly 4k, which is more than the 3k you propose. But also bear in mind, his employer would have more money to free up (since his business would not need to pay taxes), and maybe give him 40k/yr.

Also remember, that in a private school situation, if a kid is in a poorer school, but advancing very fast, there would be people who would see his potential and 'grant' him access to a better school (maybe run by Bill Gates or some such person) if he agrees to finish his schooling, and work for say, maybe 5 years. Then the rich are basically investing in poor children's education in a way the govt. never could.

Not really again the country still has to run and there would be some sort of tax to live in the country. But lets go with your idea and say there is 4k freed up that is still only one child the average family is till 2 children. So only one can go to school?

reply to post by habfan1968

I agree with the sentiment, these poor people need to get motivated and start understanding that the taxpayers cannot continue like this.

40 percent in this country don't pay income taxes. I'll bet many of the people bitching in this thread actually get more back in tax returns than they pay in throughout the year.

Don't like being taxed? Tell your politicians to increase taxes on imports. No one wants to be taxed...I don't...no one does. Tax those who are not based in this country...and by doing that...CREATE JOBS...PRODUCTIVE JOBS....and gasp...keep our money IN THE COUNTRY.

reply to post by Kailassa

It doesn't matter how many services they cut, they will never lower taxes for the middle class.

Well said, and quite true. There will always be some project they wish to fund, and the money would simply be diverted somewhere else.

Anybody who thinks they would see a big increase via tax reduction on their paycheck, is deluding themselves.

Truth be known---it's not that much anyway.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by habfan1968

 

I agree with the sentiment, these poor people need to get motivated and start understanding that the taxpayers cannot continue like this.

40 percent in this country don't pay income taxes. I'll bet many of the people bitching in this thread actually get more back in tax returns than they pay in throughout the year.

Don't like being taxed? Tell your politicians to increase taxes on imports. No one wants to be taxed...I don't...no one does. Tax those who are not based in this country...and by doing that...CREATE JOBS...PRODUCTIVE JOBS....and gasp...keep our money IN THE COUNTRY.

A certain amount of tax is fine but how the tax is used is the issue here. You are defending the poor here who are living generation to generation on other peoples money. There are jobs, all over but people don't want them. No one pays no tax, there is tax on things we buy, our business pays a heap load of taxes etc.. so your point is not on key. High end execs pay tax, the % is low but the amount is large. For example if a guy is paying net 10% after all his sneaky tricks to pay less tax he still paid $50k or more in tax, just because he earns more and gets to keep more does not make it a bad thing.

Originally posted by Kailassa
It's a common story for women who have left charming husbands.
Struggling to look after handicapped children and find ways to provide for them and study, the supporting parent pension in Australia was a godsend, and I'm not complaining, but I had to sew, grow veges and find stuff to burn to keep them properly provided for, and their care was time consuming. This left me no time to make friends or money to socialise with.

Being able to make your own clothes and grow your own food is an awesome way to get on my good side. I understand how that can take up a lot of your time. Friends are hard to come by, especially ones that will take care of you in rough times. Had you known me or anyone like me, and we were friends, rest assured you'd have spent your nights at my place until you could get back up on our feet enough. I'm pretty sure there are a lot more philanthropists out there. You just need to let them know you need help.

Now you are showing how little you understand of living in poverty.

I will admit that I have not personally been homeless or 'stuck' in a place without my consenting to be there. But I have had a friend that was homeless (in high-school no less) and I would help them any way I could, including using the money I made from work as a stock boy at a supermarket to buy him lunch for almost the whole time I knew him (he eventually got a job, bought a van and started living out of that. I've lost touch, but I'm pretty sure he's moved on to better things by now). Things get tough, but you get by, and learn to make friends with those who can/choose to help.

Remember, I'm not some elitist making 200k a year. I'm your average dude, and even I help when I can, even if getting reamed in taxes by the govt. People would be able to help more if taxes were abolished (since we all know mot of that money never sees the light of day).

Poverty means having no disposable income, and not even enough money for necessities..

I know this may sound harsh and I admit I'm going to the extreme here but... If humans lived without housing or clothing and hunted their own food for the better part of 2 million years, there's nothing to say that can't survive that way now.

It's not really a choice when having babies is the only way to ensure one's survival. How many people in this thread care more about their country than about their own comfort? Do you expect poverty-stricken folk with no access to welfare to not make this provision for their own futures?

Join the armed forces. They pay for everything (tax free).

You've said yourself one should turn to one's own family for help. Naturally this implies having or creating a family.

Depending on your new born to take are of you is asinine. You know I meant immediate family (parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc).

I brought this up because I thought world population was an issue to you. Was I wrong in this assumption?

It's very important, and I believe we are very overpopulated. But that does not mean I agree with eugenics. Only Darwinism.

I admit being at fault here. I should have thought to point out this was AU$. I went on welfare in '88, when our dollar was only worth about US$0.6. At that time we needed more AU$ than you needed $US to get by. I was fully on a pension for 3 - 4 years, then had gradually decreasing assistance for the next 4.

Oh, well that's a whole other can of beans, I don't really deal with AU$ very much.
Still, 8 years is a LONG time to be on assistance. how much is AU$100,000 (adjusted for inflation and exchange rates) worth in US$? It'd be hard for me to judge without know a figure in monetary terms I use regularly. (not that I'm judging, I'm just naturally curious how much that is).

reply to post by habfan1968

There are jobs, all over but people don't want them.

Where? Yes....there are jobs....with 100's and sometimes 1000's of people applying for a handful of jobs....yet people are demonizing them in this thread.

Cutting taxes on corporations will do nothing for this country. Bush's tax cuts didn't do anything...nor did his 2 rounds of stimulus checks. Look at where we are now.

We need to jack up taxes on corporations who have shipped jobs overseas. IF they do not care for American workers then they can pay the price. If they want to base their operations in other countries...then they can pay the price.

Our trade laws suck. They are horribly imbalanced to work against American workers and small businesses. This is the problem. people keep defending the transnational corporations which have taken all the wealth of this country and shifted it out of this country.

Wages have fallen way behind based on inflation..minimum wage hasn't kept up either. Someone living on mimumum wage can't make it alone..especially with gas prices as high as they are.

A few years ago, after losing my job to Mexico, I took a low paying job to keep working till I found something else in my skill field. I was making 10 dollars an hour...the best I could find at the time. My checks were under 300 dollars a week....yet it was costing me over 80 dollars just to get to work because of gas. I was left with 220 dollars a week with no possibility of being able to pay bills. Yes, I eventually did get a job which payed more...but during the time I was there I simply couldn't make ends meet.

People are misdiagnosing the problem. Yes, there will always be those who don't want to work...but it will always be FAR FAR in the minority. No society isn't going to have that.

Our trade laws need fixed...and with the current ruling by the supreme court...they are likely to get much worse.

Wages will continue to stay the same...more people will continue to lose their jobs...and prices will continue to go up.

We are doomed if this doesn't change soon. We simply cannot keep doing this.

Their will be an uprising soon if the numbers of the poor increase as the middle class decreases.

It doesn't matter what anyone in this thread states. The fact is, if any of these people were in trouble...they'd take the help if they absolutely had to. Everyone likes to think that they are more justified than others if they were to do it...but that is false.

No one pays no tax, there is tax on things we buy, our business pays a heap load of taxes etc.. so your point is not on key. High end execs pay tax, the % is low but the amount is large.

I understand that. Anyone who buys anything other than food is paying a tax. Actually inflation is the worst tax of all and hurts the poor and middle class the most.

We need to increase tariffs. Transnational corporatoins want to sell here...then they have to pay up to do it. This gives small businesses a chance and will force corporations to start bring jobs back to this country that they sent overseas for slave labor.

That's the reason you don't hear this in the corporate media...because the same corporations that own the media are the same ones doing the damage to the country.

Originally posted by brainwrek

Life isnt fair. It was never meant to be that way, and it isnt the duty of the fortunate to subsidize the less fortunate. That is a choice, not a mandate.

I hear this all the time from people who probably never give a dime to anyone less fortunate than themselves.

Yes, it is so much better, isn't it, if people who feel like it subsidize the poor rather than paying for social services with tax money?

If you're giving out the money yourself you can put all kinds of strings on it. Hell, you can even turn the recipients into your personal slaves.

Much more fun and more rewarding to be able to pick and choose who eats and who doesn't. The government is so impartial and so inclusive.

And then, of course, there's the gratification of not only having so much power over others but of patting yourself on the back all the way to your church.

Originally posted by Arcane Demesne

The only words I see quoted (from the OP) are:

1. "ample food supply"
2. "curtail that type of behavior"
3. "They don’t know any better"

To me that doesn't seem that bad. I didn't hear or see the actual transcripts, so I don't know if the actual "stray animal", or "can’t control their distasteful sexual urges" are actual quotes. It's only paraphrased. So I will continue to hold my judgment. Even if he said something else so outlandish and revolting, and I said I didn't approve of his word choice...I would still agree that there are leeches sucking us dry.

The following is a DIRECT QUOTE from Bauer posted in the OP:

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better,” Bauer said.

Need I say more?

reply to post by Sestias


You should change your name to Man of Ignorant Generalizations.

I donate quite a bit to various charities such as the Wounded Warrior program and the NSPCA.

I dont go to church, and I certainly dont donate to make myself feel better. I donate because they are causes I believe in and support.

That's sooooo mean..... I am sure many a poor peoples feelings were hurt..

But can anyone prove him wrong? As far as I am concerned, as uncouth as he is, he's right.

someone a few pages back asked me what I would do, and well, I have about 10 minutes to try to answer that one.

first, I would try to redesign the way americans have been taught to thing throughout the centuries. both men and women should be held responsible for the care of the children they bring into the world, the care of the possessions that they hold, and, both parents should be held responsible for the financial needs of the family! that means that in the workplace, both men and women should be recognized as needing about the same amount in earnings to live. and that before childcare is needed, well, the men should be pitching in and helping, along with the housework. it is no coincidence that the majority of those on these programs are women and the children they are caring for.

then, I would go through, make an honest attempt to determine just how much it costs to live in this country. once this is determined, I would set the minimum wage, the income guidelines for the social aide, and the maximum amount that is given to those who need aide at about maybe 5 or 10 percent lower than the amount I decided it cost to live. I would set up work programs for those who have no jobs doing things that NEEDED to be done in the community..based on their personal interests, their abilities, ect....alot of the disabled can work, if they are given a chance.... these work programs would pay the new minimum wage.
the elderly, and those that are truly disabled to the point of not being suited for any job, well, those would be the only ones getting aide, and that aide would be the minimum wage. and well, those working in gov't are public SERVANTS, their pay would be set to that minimum wage and not allowed to exceed it by maybe 40%.

there, we now have everyone who can working, and earning a living, who can work. albeit, many of these people are working in jobs sponsered by the gov't.....but, well, take a look at how much the people working in gov't is now, and consider, when these jobs become vacant, they will be staffed by the unemployed, for lower wages, till they find better employment.
we should see a savings!! okay, we have saved some money, but the new minimum wage is gonna hurt businesses, so I would divert any money saved straight to those businesses that need the help. ...(companies paying their ceos and upper management extreme paychecks obviously don't need the help!!)

and, I would outline this plan six months before it goes into effect, just to let people and businesses prepare for it.

I would also declare a world wide jubilee, wiping out all debt, after all just about every country, business, and household in the world now owes more than they will ever be able to pay back! the books can't be reconciled.

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by WTFover

 

I hope no one misunderstood my first post.

It seems I did not get any stars so I must have said something wrong.

Of course the elites are idiots. That is a given. When there is not a society that promotes work ethic and free will, what does one expect?

Anyway, I better keep my well endowed mouth shut, before both feet come a flying.

Dude, don't be a politian. When people give you stars, it means that they agreed with what you said. However, stars do not necessarily mean that you said something RIGHT.

Many a wise post receives no stars.

I am not necessarily saying you are the wiser, but certainly don't add to a conversation if you're concerned whether you'll get stars or not... If you do, you'll only spend your days regurgitating what others want to hear.

This guy is not a Christian. I don't care what you people think he says he votes.

If he wants the "poor" to find their way, maybe the government can make it legal for us to go find land that is not being used for anything and live off of it.

Of course... that wouldn't be right. We have to be slaves to "society". I have to have a license to slap a gopher in the head.

Christian this guy is not.

I have some things to say and
somethings clarified.

I like how in alot of replies Doc V
pretty much slams anyone poor as
lazy, except himself.

I also would like to know where that
statistic is. I am poor and have never
accepted welfare, unemployment,
ssei even though with all my medical
problems I would most definately
qualify.

I, and I would say most people who
got nailed (but not kissed) with this
economic trainwreck brought on by
rich people do not want your money.

But for everyone who says that their
money should never go towards
helping fellow Americans during this
crisis I have only one question.

Do you really miss those few pennies
that are coming out of your paycheck
which actually go towards welfare
programs.

If those few cents matter that much
to your bottom line, then I would think
you are closer to welfare than you
want to admit.

reply to post by capgrup


Be very wary of what people "claim" on the internet. For some reason Doc V has people kissing his ass and calling it ice cream. Sure, he claims to have "pulled himself by his bootstraps". Yeah , and I'm the second coming of jeebus. I've been very lucky. I managed to make through this economic decline intact. It's not those pennies that you speak of. It's the cycle of poverty it promotes. I don't have an easy answer. But good luck to you. I know it's rough out there.

Originally posted by Arcane Demesne

Originally posted by ldyserenity
[snip]
What about those people, it's a monster the system created and the people living off it are just a victim as well, so how do you reverse the damage? I really do beleive that some of them not all, have been manipulated by the system as pawns to keep this thing running. That's just an opinion, but I think there needs to be some net for those who's self esteem and self worth has been lowered. MAybe counseling? I don't know. It's also why many of them turn to drugs which we all know affects your IQ. Depression is one of the MAIN causes of drug abuse.

That, unfortunately, is where you and I have to choose to help, or to watch them disappear. I'd feel bad watching them fade away (as any human would), but I'd feel worse for their children they'd bring into this world by helping them sustain that lifestyle. Darwinism is really the way to go. If they can't survive with all the help we've given them...their genes are just not meant to live on. Horrible way to think, but it's an inevitable truth.

Than this should also apply to the top dogs as well, take everything from everybody, level playing field and see how well they survive. Darwinism never intended or was integrating the monetary system, they base the whole thing on Strength, virility, and cunning, not who can crunch numbers, if met with a large tiger, you'd better know how to defend yourself, and I agree, that's a much better system than what we've got today.

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
reply to post by capgrup

 

Be very wary of what people "claim" on the internet. For some reason Doc V has people kissing his ass and calling it ice cream. Sure, he claims to have "pulled himself by his bootstraps". Yeah , and I'm the second coming of jeebus. I've been very lucky. I managed to make through this economic decline intact. It's not those pennies that you speak of. It's the cycle of poverty it promotes. I don't have an easy answer. But good luck to you. I know it's rough out there.

you have a reason to doubt that he has pulled himself by his bootstraps?

I did it, it was not easy but I did it. From living in an old abandoned car to living a pretty good life now, survived, grew and learned some lessons along the way. A truly disabled person may require some assistance from others but is there a reason everyone s pennies go to support this person, why can't it be a choice? Everyone knows someone receiving govt. help, think about that for a minute, that is a big problem.

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by Arcane Demesne

Originally posted by ldyserenity
[snip]
What about those people, it's a monster the system created and the people living off it are just a victim as well, so how do you reverse the damage? I really do beleive that some of them not all, have been manipulated by the system as pawns to keep this thing running. That's just an opinion, but I think there needs to be some net for those who's self esteem and self worth has been lowered. MAybe counseling? I don't know. It's also why many of them turn to drugs which we all know affects your IQ. Depression is one of the MAIN causes of drug abuse.

That, unfortunately, is where you and I have to choose to help, or to watch them disappear. I'd feel bad watching them fade away (as any human would), but I'd feel worse for their children they'd bring into this world by helping them sustain that lifestyle. Darwinism is really the way to go. If they can't survive with all the help we've given them...their genes are just not meant to live on. Horrible way to think, but it's an inevitable truth.

Than this should also apply to the top dogs as well, take everything from everybody, level playing field and see how well they survive. Darwinism never intended or was integrating the monetary system, they base the whole thing on Strength, virility, and cunning, not who can crunch numbers, if met with a large tiger, you'd better know how to defend yourself, and I agree, that's a much better system than what we've got today.

Sure it is, the strongest survive means we would be living like rthey do in the jungle.

reply to post by habfan1968


I pulled myself out of poverty too, but I'll admit openly that I had family who couldn't contribute a lot but definitely kept me from sleeping on the streets a few times.

Almost everybody has met some bumps along the road, and in most cases they had something (like a trust fund) or someone who gave them a hand when things got really bad. Being resilient when one is down is also the result of some positive experiences somewhere in one's life, even if it's just that you grew up in a home where your most basic needs were met.

It's easy to get all self-righteous about the fact that you did get out of a bad place and forget some people don't even have that one hand up.

Personally, I have never resented the fact that a small portion of my tax money goes to help those who are not so fortunate.