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Robert Hastings has a message for UFO non-believers.
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Originally posted by Xtraeme
reply to post by BlackShark
The song in your sig is absolutely hilarious!
I vote you internet troll of the year.
[edit on 24-1-2010 by Xtraeme]
Thx, that's me singing..all out of true convictions..
[edit on 25-1-2010 by BlackShark]
Drew Hempel: Redfern then told me that he had documented a triangle craft - just as all these other sightings -- equilateral - no fuselage -- only
this was at a military base in the U.K. -- a U.S. military base -- 1949 I think. It was in the late 1940s.
RH: Highly doubtful but I am interested in the specifics, if you can provide them. Redfern is another well-intentioned but gullible soul who got taken by retired OSI disinfo agent/now chronic liar Richard Doty. If Redfern can fall for Doty's BS, I wonder about the credibility of his other "sources."
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Exuberant1: Do you think we (the United States) should be making attempts to shoot them down, or should we be passively observing the phenomena and gathering data on it that way?
RH: The "shoot-em-down" response is predictable, given the military mindset, but it is not prudent.(BTW, my father was in the U.S. Force for 20 years; his father was U.S. Army for over 30. I never joined up because I have this tendency to talk back.)
On the subject of allegedly downed UFOs, either those that crashed or were shot down, see former CIA officer Victor Marchetti's article "How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon" at:
www.baron-family.net...
Marchetti also speculates about the reasons underlying the UFO cover-up, not only in the U.S. but worldwide.
(Marchetti resigned from the agency in the mid-1970s, citing CIA's rampant disregard for law and morality. He co-wrote the best-selling book The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, which the agency tried to block, or at least censor, taking their case all the way to the Supreme Court.)
RH: Highly doubtful but I am interested in the specifics, if you can provide them. Redfern is another well-intentioned but gullible soul who got taken by retired OSI disinfo agent/now chronic liar Richard Doty. If Redfern can fall for Doty's BS, I wonder about the credibility of his other "sources."
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Exuberant1: Do you think we (the United States) should be making attempts to shoot them down, or should we be passively observing the phenomena and gathering data on it that way?
RH: The "shoot-em-down" response is predictable, given the military mindset, but it is not prudent.(BTW, my father was in the U.S. Force for 20 years; his father was U.S. Army for over 30. I never joined up because I have this tendency to talk back.)
On the subject of allegedly downed UFOs, either those that crashed or were shot down, see former CIA officer Victor Marchetti's article "How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon" at:
www.baron-family.net...
Marchetti also speculates about the reasons underlying the UFO cover-up, not only in the U.S. but worldwide.
(Marchetti resigned from the agency in the mid-1970s, citing CIA's rampant disregard for law and morality. He co-wrote the best-selling book The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, which the agency tried to block, or at least censor, taking their case all the way to the Supreme Court.)
Now, back to the missile-related cases. From my book UFOs and Nukes:
Coincidentally or not, UFO activity at ICBM sites appeared to escalate during the 1960s as well. If UFOs were not sighted more frequently—something that would be difficult to determine with precision—the phenomenon’s actions were certainly more audacious. Although UFOs had been sighted at F.E. Warren AFB’s Atlas missile sites in the early 1960s, their next known appearance, above several Minuteman missile sites, on August 1, 1965, was nothing less than spectacular. Fortunately, those incidents were documented in stunning detail by the Air Force’s UFO investigations group, Project Blue Book.
By that time, the base, located at Cheyenne, Wyoming, had phased-out its obsolete Atlas nuclear missiles and installed in their place the less vulnerable and more powerful Minuteman I ICBMs. At the time of the documented incidents, the 90th Missile Strategic Missile Wing had over 200 of them, scattered across the tri-state area of Wyoming, Colorado, and Nebraska.
Beginning at 1:30 a.m. on August 1st, various personnel at F.E. Warren AFB, Wyoming—including the base commander—telephoned the Air Force’s UFO Project Blue Book, at Wright-Patterson AFB, to report several UFOs near the base’s Minuteman Launch Control Facilities designated Echo (E), Golf (G), and Quebec (Q), and at Launch Facilities designated B-4, E-2, G-1, and H-2.
The Officer-on-Duty at Blue Book that night was a Lt. Anspaugh (first name unknown), who carefully logged the flurry of incoming calls.4 Shortly thereafter, an official memorandum was written which summarized the information that had been reported to him. Following the closure of Project Blue Book four years later, the contents of the memo were published in 1972, by Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who had served as the civilian scientific consultant to the project at the time of the sightings.
The significance of this Air Force memorandum can not be understated. It documents a series of stunning UFO sightings by various individuals stationed at the missile base, including several security guards posted at Warren’s ICBM sites.
THE LOG ENTRIES:
1:30 a.m. - Captain Snelling, of the U.S. Air Force command post near Cheyenne, Wyoming, called to say that 15 to 20 phone calls had been received at the local radio station about a large circular object emitting several colors but no sound, sighted over the city. Two officers and one airman controller at the base reported that after being sighted directly over base operations, the object had begun to move rapidly to the northeast.
2:20 a.m. - Colonel Johnson, base commander of Francis E. Warren Air Force Base, near Cheyenne, Wyoming, called [Blue Book] to say that the commanding officer of the Sioux Army Depot saw five objects at 1:45 A.M. and reported an alleged configuration of two UFOs previously reported over E Site. At 1:49 a.m. members of E flight reportedly saw what appeared to be the same [formation] reported at 1:48 a.m. by G flight. Two security teams were dispatched from E flight to investigate.
2:50 a.m. - Nine more UFOs were sighted, and at 3:35 a.m. Colonel Williams, commanding officer of the Sioux Army Depot, at Sydney, Nebraska, reported five UFOs going east.
4:05 a.m. - Colonel Johnson made another phone call to [Blue Book] to say that at 4:00 a.m., Q flight reported nine UFOs in sight; four to the northwest, three to the northeast, and two over Cheyenne.
4:40 a.m. - Captain Howell, Air Force Command Post, called [Blue Book] and Defense Intelligence Agency to report that a Strategic Air Command Team at Site H-2 at 3:00 a.m. reported a white oval UFO directly overhead. Later Strategic Air Command Post passed the following: Francis E. Warren Air Force Base reports (Site B-4 3:17 a.m.) –A UFO 90 miles east of Cheyenne at a high rate of speed and descending—oval and white with white lines on its sides and a flashing red light in its center moving east; reported to have landed 10 miles east of the site.
3:20 a.m. - Seven UFOs reported east of the site.
3:25 a.m. - E Site reported six UFOs stacked vertically.
3:27 a.m. - G-1 reported one ascending and at the same time, E-2 reported two additional UFOs had joined the seven for a total of nine.
3:28 a.m. - G-1 reported a UFO descending further, going east.
3:32 a.m. - The same site has a UFO climbing and leveling off.
3:40 a.m. - G Site reported one UFO at 70’ azimuth and one at 120’. Three now came from the east, stacked vertically, passed through the other two, with all five heading west.
END OF LOG ENTRIES
This Blue Book memorandum reveals, in dramatic detail, the extraordinary nature of the incidents. The sheer scope and blatant ostentation of the UFOs’ reported aerial displays is simply astonishing. Several widely-separated Air Force security police teams had independently observed up to nine UFOs in a group as they cavorted in the sky and intermittently hovered above various Minuteman Launch Facilities (missile silos) and Launch Control Facilities.
Two of those teams, positioned several miles apart, had reported the objects to be oval-shaped, while other observers in the city of Cheyenne had reported a “circular” UFO. Furthermore, two base commanders—Colonel Robert Johnson at Warren AFB, and a Colonel Williams at the Sioux Army Depot—had been among those who had reported the sightings to Project Blue Book.
When Blue Book’s former scientific consultant, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, published these telephone log entries in his 1972 book, The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry, he also revealed that he had once approached the project’s chief about the ICBM-related sighting reports referenced in it. He wrote, “When I asked Major Quintinilla what was being done about investigating these reports, he said that the sightings were nothing but stars! This is certainly tantamount to saying that our Strategic Air Command, responsible for the defense of our country against major attacks from the air, was staffed by a notable set of incompetents who mistook twinkling stars for strange craft.”
--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com
Coincidentally or not, UFO activity at ICBM sites appeared to escalate during the 1960s as well. If UFOs were not sighted more frequently—something that would be difficult to determine with precision—the phenomenon’s actions were certainly more audacious. Although UFOs had been sighted at F.E. Warren AFB’s Atlas missile sites in the early 1960s, their next known appearance, above several Minuteman missile sites, on August 1, 1965, was nothing less than spectacular. Fortunately, those incidents were documented in stunning detail by the Air Force’s UFO investigations group, Project Blue Book.
By that time, the base, located at Cheyenne, Wyoming, had phased-out its obsolete Atlas nuclear missiles and installed in their place the less vulnerable and more powerful Minuteman I ICBMs. At the time of the documented incidents, the 90th Missile Strategic Missile Wing had over 200 of them, scattered across the tri-state area of Wyoming, Colorado, and Nebraska.
Beginning at 1:30 a.m. on August 1st, various personnel at F.E. Warren AFB, Wyoming—including the base commander—telephoned the Air Force’s UFO Project Blue Book, at Wright-Patterson AFB, to report several UFOs near the base’s Minuteman Launch Control Facilities designated Echo (E), Golf (G), and Quebec (Q), and at Launch Facilities designated B-4, E-2, G-1, and H-2.
The Officer-on-Duty at Blue Book that night was a Lt. Anspaugh (first name unknown), who carefully logged the flurry of incoming calls.4 Shortly thereafter, an official memorandum was written which summarized the information that had been reported to him. Following the closure of Project Blue Book four years later, the contents of the memo were published in 1972, by Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who had served as the civilian scientific consultant to the project at the time of the sightings.
The significance of this Air Force memorandum can not be understated. It documents a series of stunning UFO sightings by various individuals stationed at the missile base, including several security guards posted at Warren’s ICBM sites.
THE LOG ENTRIES:
1:30 a.m. - Captain Snelling, of the U.S. Air Force command post near Cheyenne, Wyoming, called to say that 15 to 20 phone calls had been received at the local radio station about a large circular object emitting several colors but no sound, sighted over the city. Two officers and one airman controller at the base reported that after being sighted directly over base operations, the object had begun to move rapidly to the northeast.
2:20 a.m. - Colonel Johnson, base commander of Francis E. Warren Air Force Base, near Cheyenne, Wyoming, called [Blue Book] to say that the commanding officer of the Sioux Army Depot saw five objects at 1:45 A.M. and reported an alleged configuration of two UFOs previously reported over E Site. At 1:49 a.m. members of E flight reportedly saw what appeared to be the same [formation] reported at 1:48 a.m. by G flight. Two security teams were dispatched from E flight to investigate.
2:50 a.m. - Nine more UFOs were sighted, and at 3:35 a.m. Colonel Williams, commanding officer of the Sioux Army Depot, at Sydney, Nebraska, reported five UFOs going east.
4:05 a.m. - Colonel Johnson made another phone call to [Blue Book] to say that at 4:00 a.m., Q flight reported nine UFOs in sight; four to the northwest, three to the northeast, and two over Cheyenne.
4:40 a.m. - Captain Howell, Air Force Command Post, called [Blue Book] and Defense Intelligence Agency to report that a Strategic Air Command Team at Site H-2 at 3:00 a.m. reported a white oval UFO directly overhead. Later Strategic Air Command Post passed the following: Francis E. Warren Air Force Base reports (Site B-4 3:17 a.m.) –A UFO 90 miles east of Cheyenne at a high rate of speed and descending—oval and white with white lines on its sides and a flashing red light in its center moving east; reported to have landed 10 miles east of the site.
3:20 a.m. - Seven UFOs reported east of the site.
3:25 a.m. - E Site reported six UFOs stacked vertically.
3:27 a.m. - G-1 reported one ascending and at the same time, E-2 reported two additional UFOs had joined the seven for a total of nine.
3:28 a.m. - G-1 reported a UFO descending further, going east.
3:32 a.m. - The same site has a UFO climbing and leveling off.
3:40 a.m. - G Site reported one UFO at 70’ azimuth and one at 120’. Three now came from the east, stacked vertically, passed through the other two, with all five heading west.
END OF LOG ENTRIES
This Blue Book memorandum reveals, in dramatic detail, the extraordinary nature of the incidents. The sheer scope and blatant ostentation of the UFOs’ reported aerial displays is simply astonishing. Several widely-separated Air Force security police teams had independently observed up to nine UFOs in a group as they cavorted in the sky and intermittently hovered above various Minuteman Launch Facilities (missile silos) and Launch Control Facilities.
Two of those teams, positioned several miles apart, had reported the objects to be oval-shaped, while other observers in the city of Cheyenne had reported a “circular” UFO. Furthermore, two base commanders—Colonel Robert Johnson at Warren AFB, and a Colonel Williams at the Sioux Army Depot—had been among those who had reported the sightings to Project Blue Book.
When Blue Book’s former scientific consultant, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, published these telephone log entries in his 1972 book, The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry, he also revealed that he had once approached the project’s chief about the ICBM-related sighting reports referenced in it. He wrote, “When I asked Major Quintinilla what was being done about investigating these reports, he said that the sightings were nothing but stars! This is certainly tantamount to saying that our Strategic Air Command, responsible for the defense of our country against major attacks from the air, was staffed by a notable set of incompetents who mistook twinkling stars for strange craft.”
--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com
Regarding the UFO incursions at F.E. Warren AFB, here is another excerpt from my book:
During a telephone interview, Jay Earnshaw told me, “I was a captain, a Missile Combat Crew Commander or, early on, a Deputy Commander, primarily at Echo Flight. Between 1965 and 1968, except for assignments overseas, I was with all three squadrons at Warren—the 319th, the 320th and the 321st. Echo was assigned to the 319th. We did have [UFO] sightings at Echo Flight. There were times that our security forces up above would report strange things. Lights in the sky. Because I was a missile commander, the security people were required to call down to the capsule and report anything unusual going on up there. The information we got about the UFOs was that none of them came inside the fenced area [around the Echo Launch Control Facility], and none of them touched-down in the area outside the fence. As reported by the on-duty security controller, the [unexplained] lights visible from Echo Flight would have extended from the northwest to the southeast. So they were all just strange aerial lights, making no noise, that would stack on top of one another [my emphasis] and then just disappear.”
I asked Earnshaw if he could recall any specific description of the aerial lights. He said, “The security people described them as oblong or, from the correct perspective, disc-like. No reported markings or navigation lights. If a color was reported, it was usually reddish or orange-ish shades. They were reported as ‘aloft’ or ‘up in the air’ but I don’t recall any mention of altitude—no reliable estimated distance other than ‘close.’”
He continued, “At first, I thought of temperature inversions because I’m technically-oriented. I’m a pilot and I know that the atmosphere can create illusions [involving refracted lights that appear nearby but are actually miles away]. I tend to hold things off at arm’s length and consider all of the possibilities.”
I asked Earnshaw about the approximate time-frame for those incidents. He responded, “The sightings at Echo were around 1965, ’66, ’67—probably more around the beginning of that period and tapering off around the end. There were times when that went on at more than one [launch control] site. They were not reported during daylight hours”
Earnshaw then said, “There was a continuing ruckus about those kinds of sightings and, ultimately, we were told by the Operations Branch officers to ignore them. As everything is ‘down-channel’ in the military, they themselves were probably told by the Squadron Commanders who, in turn, were probably advised by the ‘Wing King’ to stifle the ‘ridiculous’ reports, and he was probably directed by SAC [Headquarters] to pass that along to the launch officers. They told us that UFOs had been officially disavowed by Project Blue Book, that they had turned out to be swamp gas and weather balloons and all that jazz. After awhile, [the launch commanders] started saying, ‘Well, it’s going to affect my OER (Officer Efficiency Report) if I keep insisting on this.’ We were led to believe that if we continued to report those sightings, it would lead to a loss of our credibility. So, instead of notifying the Wing Command Post, we just started logging those reports down and then never heard another thing about it.”
Earnshaw added, “I heard that OSI (the Office of Special Investigations) was debriefing people. OSI was charged with doing whatever the commanders above them wanted done. That was one of the reasons why we didn’t want to report the sightings—we didn’t want to get involved with OSI. You never knew what could happen to you should they start looking into your professional and personal lives. Even an innocent can spend a great deal of his precious off-duty time giving statements, and so on. Also, even though they were not officially allowed into your OER’s, the crews knew that OSI questions, and the answers you might give, could seriously sway the commanders’ rating your performance reports.”
I asked Earnshaw to estimate the number of UFO-related calls he had received from the security police topside at Echo. He said, “There were a few. It wasn’t a multitude of calls. Those calls were eventually discouraged by higher command, as I mentioned a moment ago. There was a lot of pressure by Blue Book to keep this under wraps and, you know, they were saying publicly that there was nothing to [UFOs] and all that. But [among the missile launch commanders] there were reports by word of mouth. The sightings of 1 August [1965] that you mentioned a moment ago, I heard about those. But it was one of those things that was never officially acknowledged. I heard about it through scuttlebutt and, sometimes, scuttlebutt is the best A-number one source [of information], particularly in situations where the primary concern is security.”
Earnshaw then said firmly, “But we got reports from our security people that there were objects in the sky stacked up, one on top of the other, just hovering there. The Russians sure didn’t have the capability to do that! So that leaves only one other possibility. I am one who believes that we are not the only ones in the Universe and, well, I think someone might have been interested in what we were doing at our [nuclear missile] sites. I wasn’t one of the witnesses to these events, because I was underground in the capsule, but my second-hand information from the security people up above was that the objects were really there.”
Although Earnshaw said that he had only heard about the incidents of August 1, 1965, I quickly wondered if that was correct. I am aware of only two reported sighting incidents—at any SAC base, during any era—during which the Air or Security Police had reported UFOs “stacked” above a Launch Control Facility, and both of those occurred at F.E. Warren AFB, on August 1st, 1965. More to the point, one of the reports was at the Echo Flight LCF, where Earnshaw usually pulled alert duty. As noted above, the Project Blue Book telephone log compiled by Lt. Anspaugh had stated:
“3:25 a.m. – E [Echo] Site reported six UFOs stacked vertically.”
I told Earnshaw that because the SPs had told him that the UFOs were stacked-up over Echo during one of the incidents, I was inclined to believe that he may have actually been in the launch capsule for the August 1st event. He replied, “I guess it could’ve been. I pulled alert there that month too, as well as [during most of] ‘66, and ‘68, as I previously mentioned.”
I asked Earnshaw if he recalled hearing scuttlebutt about missiles dropping off alert status at a time when UFOs were in the vicinity of a given missile flight. He paused awhile and then said, “Well, of course, we would often have a missile go off alert, but not in any unusual way. The guidance system wouldn’t spin-up right, for one reason or another. But, yes, I heard reports like that—of [several] missiles going off alert simultaneously [during the UFO incidents]—but I wasn’t privy to the big picture, only the narrow one. Nothing like that happened at Echo when I was there.” I quickly pressed for details about the reports he had heard. After another pause, Earnshaw said somewhat warily, “It was a long time ago, and what I heard was second-hand.” It seemed clear that this particular line of questioning would elicit no more useful information, for one reason or another.
At the end of the conversation, once I had Earnshaw’s testimony on record, I told him about the two UFO-related, large-scale missile shutdowns at Malmstrom AFB, in March 1967. Obviously surprised, he responded, “Really?! Twice? Wow! That’s a national security situation!”
I thanked Earnshaw for allowing me to publish his comments and told him I strongly believed that this kind of information should finally be in the public record. He responded, “I couldn’t agree with you more.”
--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com
During a telephone interview, Jay Earnshaw told me, “I was a captain, a Missile Combat Crew Commander or, early on, a Deputy Commander, primarily at Echo Flight. Between 1965 and 1968, except for assignments overseas, I was with all three squadrons at Warren—the 319th, the 320th and the 321st. Echo was assigned to the 319th. We did have [UFO] sightings at Echo Flight. There were times that our security forces up above would report strange things. Lights in the sky. Because I was a missile commander, the security people were required to call down to the capsule and report anything unusual going on up there. The information we got about the UFOs was that none of them came inside the fenced area [around the Echo Launch Control Facility], and none of them touched-down in the area outside the fence. As reported by the on-duty security controller, the [unexplained] lights visible from Echo Flight would have extended from the northwest to the southeast. So they were all just strange aerial lights, making no noise, that would stack on top of one another [my emphasis] and then just disappear.”
I asked Earnshaw if he could recall any specific description of the aerial lights. He said, “The security people described them as oblong or, from the correct perspective, disc-like. No reported markings or navigation lights. If a color was reported, it was usually reddish or orange-ish shades. They were reported as ‘aloft’ or ‘up in the air’ but I don’t recall any mention of altitude—no reliable estimated distance other than ‘close.’”
He continued, “At first, I thought of temperature inversions because I’m technically-oriented. I’m a pilot and I know that the atmosphere can create illusions [involving refracted lights that appear nearby but are actually miles away]. I tend to hold things off at arm’s length and consider all of the possibilities.”
I asked Earnshaw about the approximate time-frame for those incidents. He responded, “The sightings at Echo were around 1965, ’66, ’67—probably more around the beginning of that period and tapering off around the end. There were times when that went on at more than one [launch control] site. They were not reported during daylight hours”
Earnshaw then said, “There was a continuing ruckus about those kinds of sightings and, ultimately, we were told by the Operations Branch officers to ignore them. As everything is ‘down-channel’ in the military, they themselves were probably told by the Squadron Commanders who, in turn, were probably advised by the ‘Wing King’ to stifle the ‘ridiculous’ reports, and he was probably directed by SAC [Headquarters] to pass that along to the launch officers. They told us that UFOs had been officially disavowed by Project Blue Book, that they had turned out to be swamp gas and weather balloons and all that jazz. After awhile, [the launch commanders] started saying, ‘Well, it’s going to affect my OER (Officer Efficiency Report) if I keep insisting on this.’ We were led to believe that if we continued to report those sightings, it would lead to a loss of our credibility. So, instead of notifying the Wing Command Post, we just started logging those reports down and then never heard another thing about it.”
Earnshaw added, “I heard that OSI (the Office of Special Investigations) was debriefing people. OSI was charged with doing whatever the commanders above them wanted done. That was one of the reasons why we didn’t want to report the sightings—we didn’t want to get involved with OSI. You never knew what could happen to you should they start looking into your professional and personal lives. Even an innocent can spend a great deal of his precious off-duty time giving statements, and so on. Also, even though they were not officially allowed into your OER’s, the crews knew that OSI questions, and the answers you might give, could seriously sway the commanders’ rating your performance reports.”
I asked Earnshaw to estimate the number of UFO-related calls he had received from the security police topside at Echo. He said, “There were a few. It wasn’t a multitude of calls. Those calls were eventually discouraged by higher command, as I mentioned a moment ago. There was a lot of pressure by Blue Book to keep this under wraps and, you know, they were saying publicly that there was nothing to [UFOs] and all that. But [among the missile launch commanders] there were reports by word of mouth. The sightings of 1 August [1965] that you mentioned a moment ago, I heard about those. But it was one of those things that was never officially acknowledged. I heard about it through scuttlebutt and, sometimes, scuttlebutt is the best A-number one source [of information], particularly in situations where the primary concern is security.”
Earnshaw then said firmly, “But we got reports from our security people that there were objects in the sky stacked up, one on top of the other, just hovering there. The Russians sure didn’t have the capability to do that! So that leaves only one other possibility. I am one who believes that we are not the only ones in the Universe and, well, I think someone might have been interested in what we were doing at our [nuclear missile] sites. I wasn’t one of the witnesses to these events, because I was underground in the capsule, but my second-hand information from the security people up above was that the objects were really there.”
Although Earnshaw said that he had only heard about the incidents of August 1, 1965, I quickly wondered if that was correct. I am aware of only two reported sighting incidents—at any SAC base, during any era—during which the Air or Security Police had reported UFOs “stacked” above a Launch Control Facility, and both of those occurred at F.E. Warren AFB, on August 1st, 1965. More to the point, one of the reports was at the Echo Flight LCF, where Earnshaw usually pulled alert duty. As noted above, the Project Blue Book telephone log compiled by Lt. Anspaugh had stated:
“3:25 a.m. – E [Echo] Site reported six UFOs stacked vertically.”
I told Earnshaw that because the SPs had told him that the UFOs were stacked-up over Echo during one of the incidents, I was inclined to believe that he may have actually been in the launch capsule for the August 1st event. He replied, “I guess it could’ve been. I pulled alert there that month too, as well as [during most of] ‘66, and ‘68, as I previously mentioned.”
I asked Earnshaw if he recalled hearing scuttlebutt about missiles dropping off alert status at a time when UFOs were in the vicinity of a given missile flight. He paused awhile and then said, “Well, of course, we would often have a missile go off alert, but not in any unusual way. The guidance system wouldn’t spin-up right, for one reason or another. But, yes, I heard reports like that—of [several] missiles going off alert simultaneously [during the UFO incidents]—but I wasn’t privy to the big picture, only the narrow one. Nothing like that happened at Echo when I was there.” I quickly pressed for details about the reports he had heard. After another pause, Earnshaw said somewhat warily, “It was a long time ago, and what I heard was second-hand.” It seemed clear that this particular line of questioning would elicit no more useful information, for one reason or another.
At the end of the conversation, once I had Earnshaw’s testimony on record, I told him about the two UFO-related, large-scale missile shutdowns at Malmstrom AFB, in March 1967. Obviously surprised, he responded, “Really?! Twice? Wow! That’s a national security situation!”
I thanked Earnshaw for allowing me to publish his comments and told him I strongly believed that this kind of information should finally be in the public record. He responded, “I couldn’t agree with you more.”
--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com
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Hi Robert , I have just one more question for you , As I am from England I have an interest in the Rendlesham Forrest UFO , do you have any information or an opinion on the Rendlesham incident , rumor has it that the base housed Nuclear weapons though this has never been officially confirmed or denied to my knowledge .
Thanks for the posts of extracts from your book , interesting reading.
Hi Robert , I have just one more question for you , As I am from England I have an interest in the Rendlesham Forrest UFO , do you have any information or an opinion on the Rendlesham incident , rumor has it that the base housed Nuclear weapons though this has never been officially confirmed or denied to my knowledge .
Thanks for the posts of extracts from your book , interesting reading.
Now, back to Malmstrom, some eight years after the 1967 missile shutdown incidents. From my book UFOs and Nukes:
The following NORAD log entries, relating to the sightings at Malmstrom’s Launch Control Facilities and Launch Facilities, were listed in an official U.S. Air Force letter released to researchers in 1977, via the Freedom of Information Act.2 The time of each report is expressed in Z or Zulu Time, the military’s version of Greenwich Mean Time. My own comments, in brackets, follow a few of the log entries:
24th NORAD Region Senior Director’s Log (Malmstrom AFB, MT)
7 Nov 75 (1035Z) Received a call from the 341st Strategic Air Command Post (SAC CP), saying that the following missile locations reported seeing a large red to orange to yellow object: M-1, L-3, LIMA, and L-6...Commander and Deputy for Operations (DO) informed.
7 Nov 75 (1203Z) SAC advised that the LCF at Harlowton, Montana, observed an object which emitted a light which illuminated the site driveway.
7 Nov 75 (1319Z) SAC advised K-1 says very bright object to their east is now southeast of them and they are looking at it with 10x50 binoculars. Object seems to have lights (several) on it, but no distinct pattern. The orange/gold object overhead also seems to have lights on it. SAC also advised female civilian reports having seen an object bearing south of her position six miles west of Lewistown. [Note that all of these reports refer to the observation of aerial “objects”. Apparently, the Security Alert Teams could not identify them as either military or civilian aircraft.]
7 Nov 75 (1327Z) L-1 reports that the object to their northeast seems to be issuing a black object from it, tubular in shape. In all this time, surveillance has not been able to detect any sort of track except for known traffic. [In other words, when these sightings were first reported by SATs, radar personnel at Malmstrom AFB and Great Falls International Airport could not detect any unknown aerial objects near the missile sites. As we shall see, radar contact with the UFOs was finally established as the sightings continued to unfold.]
7 Nov 75 (1355Z) K-1 and L-1 report that as the sun rises, so do the objects they have visual.
7 Nov 75 (1429) From SAC CP: As the sun rose, the UFOs disappeared. Commander and [Director of Operations] notified.
8 Nov 75 (0635Z) A security camper team at K-4 reported UFO with white lights, one red light 50 yards behind white light. Personnel at K-1 seeing same object.
8 Nov 75 (0645Z) Height personnel picked up objects 10-13,000 feet. Track J330, EKLB 0649, 18 knots, 9,500 feet. Objects as many as seven, as few as two A/C. [Height-finding radar finally confirmed that UFOs were present, varying over time between two and seven in number.]
8 Nov 75 (0753Z) J330 unknown 0753. Stationary/seven knots/12,000...two F-106...NCOC notified. [Radar confirmed that one UFO, at an altitude of 12,000 feet, had hovered—that is, was “stationary”—before resuming flight at a leisurely 7 knots, or 9 mph. Shortly thereafter, two F-106s were scrambled to intercept it.]
8 Nov 75 (0905Z) From SAC CP: L-sites had fighters and objects; fighters did not get down to objects.
8 Nov 75 (0915Z) From SAC CP: From four different points: Observed objects and fighters; when fighters arrived in the area, the lights went out; when fighters departed, the lights came back on; To NCOC. [As SAT personnel at four different locations watched, the UFOs played cat-and-mouse with the F-106s, extinguishing their illumination as the jets approached their position and re-illuminating themselves after the fighters returned to base. The NORAD Combat Operations Center (NCOC) in Colorado Springs, Colorado was immediately informed of this incident.]
8 Nov 75 (1105Z) From SAC CP: L-5 reported object increased in speed — high velocity, raised in altitude and now cannot tell the object from stars. To NCOC.
9 Nov 75 (0305Z) SAC CP called and advised SAC crews at Sites L-1, L-6, and M-1 observing UFO. Object yellowish bright round light 20 miles north of Harlowton, 2 to 4,000 feet.
9 Nov 75 (0320Z) SAC CP reports UFO southeast of Lewistown, orange white disc object. 24th NORAD Region surveillance checking area. Surveillance unable to get height check. [Note the reference to the UFO having a “disc” or saucer shape. Two more log entries from November 9th confirm that UFOs continued to be reported by SAT teams positioned near various missile launch facilities. Then the action moved from Malmstrom to Minot AFB, in North Dakota.]
10 Nov 75 (1125Z) UFO sighting reported by Minot Air Force Station, a bright star-like object in the west, moving east, about the size of a car...the object passed over the radar station, 1,000 to 2,000 feet high, no noise heard...NCOC notified.
END OF NORAD LOG ENTRIES
Actually, before being officially declassified, these dramatic disclosures had been leaked to a UFO research organization—the National Investigations Committee of Aerial Phenomena (NICAP)—in 1976. NICAP’s president, Jack Acuff, had developed a secret “Deep Throat” source—an air force analyst working for the Defense Intelligence Agency—who, on at least one occasion, surreptitiously passed along classified documents relating to UFOs, including a four-part message sent by NORAD’s Commander in Chief to all NORAD units on November 11, 1975. The message contained the log excerpts listed above. While we can argue about the ethical questions surrounding these unauthorized releases—in the context of military secrecy vs. the public’s right-to-know—the leaked documents nevertheless provided a rare inside look at the U.S. military’s covert response to UFO activity at its nuclear weapons sites.
Eventually, the leaked NORAD and National Military Command Center messages were circulated within the UFO research community, prompting various individuals to file FOIA requests, in an effort to force their formal declassification. Initially, the NMCC message was held back, while the NORAD log entries were reluctantly released by the Air Force, chopped into the curt passages I inserted above. Much later, the original NORAD message was also declassified.
--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com
The following NORAD log entries, relating to the sightings at Malmstrom’s Launch Control Facilities and Launch Facilities, were listed in an official U.S. Air Force letter released to researchers in 1977, via the Freedom of Information Act.2 The time of each report is expressed in Z or Zulu Time, the military’s version of Greenwich Mean Time. My own comments, in brackets, follow a few of the log entries:
24th NORAD Region Senior Director’s Log (Malmstrom AFB, MT)
7 Nov 75 (1035Z) Received a call from the 341st Strategic Air Command Post (SAC CP), saying that the following missile locations reported seeing a large red to orange to yellow object: M-1, L-3, LIMA, and L-6...Commander and Deputy for Operations (DO) informed.
7 Nov 75 (1203Z) SAC advised that the LCF at Harlowton, Montana, observed an object which emitted a light which illuminated the site driveway.
7 Nov 75 (1319Z) SAC advised K-1 says very bright object to their east is now southeast of them and they are looking at it with 10x50 binoculars. Object seems to have lights (several) on it, but no distinct pattern. The orange/gold object overhead also seems to have lights on it. SAC also advised female civilian reports having seen an object bearing south of her position six miles west of Lewistown. [Note that all of these reports refer to the observation of aerial “objects”. Apparently, the Security Alert Teams could not identify them as either military or civilian aircraft.]
7 Nov 75 (1327Z) L-1 reports that the object to their northeast seems to be issuing a black object from it, tubular in shape. In all this time, surveillance has not been able to detect any sort of track except for known traffic. [In other words, when these sightings were first reported by SATs, radar personnel at Malmstrom AFB and Great Falls International Airport could not detect any unknown aerial objects near the missile sites. As we shall see, radar contact with the UFOs was finally established as the sightings continued to unfold.]
7 Nov 75 (1355Z) K-1 and L-1 report that as the sun rises, so do the objects they have visual.
7 Nov 75 (1429) From SAC CP: As the sun rose, the UFOs disappeared. Commander and [Director of Operations] notified.
8 Nov 75 (0635Z) A security camper team at K-4 reported UFO with white lights, one red light 50 yards behind white light. Personnel at K-1 seeing same object.
8 Nov 75 (0645Z) Height personnel picked up objects 10-13,000 feet. Track J330, EKLB 0649, 18 knots, 9,500 feet. Objects as many as seven, as few as two A/C. [Height-finding radar finally confirmed that UFOs were present, varying over time between two and seven in number.]
8 Nov 75 (0753Z) J330 unknown 0753. Stationary/seven knots/12,000...two F-106...NCOC notified. [Radar confirmed that one UFO, at an altitude of 12,000 feet, had hovered—that is, was “stationary”—before resuming flight at a leisurely 7 knots, or 9 mph. Shortly thereafter, two F-106s were scrambled to intercept it.]
8 Nov 75 (0905Z) From SAC CP: L-sites had fighters and objects; fighters did not get down to objects.
8 Nov 75 (0915Z) From SAC CP: From four different points: Observed objects and fighters; when fighters arrived in the area, the lights went out; when fighters departed, the lights came back on; To NCOC. [As SAT personnel at four different locations watched, the UFOs played cat-and-mouse with the F-106s, extinguishing their illumination as the jets approached their position and re-illuminating themselves after the fighters returned to base. The NORAD Combat Operations Center (NCOC) in Colorado Springs, Colorado was immediately informed of this incident.]
8 Nov 75 (1105Z) From SAC CP: L-5 reported object increased in speed — high velocity, raised in altitude and now cannot tell the object from stars. To NCOC.
9 Nov 75 (0305Z) SAC CP called and advised SAC crews at Sites L-1, L-6, and M-1 observing UFO. Object yellowish bright round light 20 miles north of Harlowton, 2 to 4,000 feet.
9 Nov 75 (0320Z) SAC CP reports UFO southeast of Lewistown, orange white disc object. 24th NORAD Region surveillance checking area. Surveillance unable to get height check. [Note the reference to the UFO having a “disc” or saucer shape. Two more log entries from November 9th confirm that UFOs continued to be reported by SAT teams positioned near various missile launch facilities. Then the action moved from Malmstrom to Minot AFB, in North Dakota.]
10 Nov 75 (1125Z) UFO sighting reported by Minot Air Force Station, a bright star-like object in the west, moving east, about the size of a car...the object passed over the radar station, 1,000 to 2,000 feet high, no noise heard...NCOC notified.
END OF NORAD LOG ENTRIES
Actually, before being officially declassified, these dramatic disclosures had been leaked to a UFO research organization—the National Investigations Committee of Aerial Phenomena (NICAP)—in 1976. NICAP’s president, Jack Acuff, had developed a secret “Deep Throat” source—an air force analyst working for the Defense Intelligence Agency—who, on at least one occasion, surreptitiously passed along classified documents relating to UFOs, including a four-part message sent by NORAD’s Commander in Chief to all NORAD units on November 11, 1975. The message contained the log excerpts listed above. While we can argue about the ethical questions surrounding these unauthorized releases—in the context of military secrecy vs. the public’s right-to-know—the leaked documents nevertheless provided a rare inside look at the U.S. military’s covert response to UFO activity at its nuclear weapons sites.
Eventually, the leaked NORAD and National Military Command Center messages were circulated within the UFO research community, prompting various individuals to file FOIA requests, in an effort to force their formal declassification. Initially, the NMCC message was held back, while the NORAD log entries were reluctantly released by the Air Force, chopped into the curt passages I inserted above. Much later, the original NORAD message was also declassified.
--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com
Gortex: As I am from England I have an interest in the Rendlesham Forrest UFO , do you have any information or an opinion on the Rendlesham incident ,
rumor has it that the base housed Nuclear weapons though this has never been officially confirmed or denied to my knowledge.
RH: A summary of my investigation of the case may be found at:
www.ufodigest.com...
In short, the base Weapons Storage Area (WSA) did hold tactical nuclear bombs; UFOs did maneuver around it, on at least two different nights between Christmas and New Years Eve in 1980; laser-like beams of light were observed emanating from at least one object, down into or near the WSA; one UFO was tracked on radar at the base. I interviewed a number of ex-USAF witnesses who were at the WSA or the air traffic control tower--persons who had never gone on-the-record before. Those interviews appear in the article linked above.
RH: A summary of my investigation of the case may be found at:
www.ufodigest.com...
In short, the base Weapons Storage Area (WSA) did hold tactical nuclear bombs; UFOs did maneuver around it, on at least two different nights between Christmas and New Years Eve in 1980; laser-like beams of light were observed emanating from at least one object, down into or near the WSA; one UFO was tracked on radar at the base. I interviewed a number of ex-USAF witnesses who were at the WSA or the air traffic control tower--persons who had never gone on-the-record before. Those interviews appear in the article linked above.
Robert can you further explain why you think Greg Bishop and Nick Redfern were used by Richard Doty? Quite on the contrary -- Greg Bishop is the one
who EXPOSED Richard Doty's tricks! Nick Redfern has never used Richard Doty as a source that I can recall and I've read all of Redfern's UFO
books. His 1940s triangle report from the U.S. base in the U.K. is in his "Saucer Spies" book I think. Honestly your comments about Bishop and
Redfern seem to be just out right wrong. But then I do understand that people who have published UFO books tend to be territorial about the topic
with other UFO published authors. Admittedly trying to sell a book is a hard job. Still I appreciate you being forthright with your views and giving
even excerpts from your book. Very kind of you.
O.K. Robert you refer to Greg Bishop in your Operation Bird Droppings without naming him -- here:
www.theufochronicles.com...
Then Robert you go on to state that we have ONLY Doty's unsubstantiated claim that he was in fact covering up secret military technology whereas YOUR research leads you to believe that the real cover up is not of military technology but of ufos not of human origin:
This is all great Robert -- but again you failed to even MENTION GREG BISHOP's NAME!! And then you mention he's writing a book on the subject -- but neglect to mention that possibly Greg Bishop's book might have more information about whether there was secret military technology. Personally I do think that Greg Bishop's Project Beta book does give further substantiation to there being secret military technology involved. But for those who want to know more they will have to read Bishop's book -- ufomystic.com... is the website he uses for blogging.
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O.K. Robert you refer to Greg Bishop in your Operation Bird Droppings without naming him -- here:
www.theufochronicles.com...
Moore also admitted that he had performed the same shameful service by monitoring the late Paul Bennewitz, who had been provided with OSI-created lies about alleged UFO activity and alien schemes against humanity. According to Moore, Bennewitz had become a target for this disinformation and harassment after he informed OSI, in October 1980, that he had photographed UFOs over the Manzano [Nuclear] Weapons Storage Area, located just east of Kirtland AFB, on several occasions during the previous 15 months. Soon-to-be-released evidence, collected and analyzed by another researcher, will prove that this was indeed true.
Then Robert you go on to state that we have ONLY Doty's unsubstantiated claim that he was in fact covering up secret military technology whereas YOUR research leads you to believe that the real cover up is not of military technology but of ufos not of human origin:
Doty and Collins, in their thoroughly unsubstantiated book, Exempted From Disclosure, have come up with a questionable, or at least incomplete, story to explain why Bennewitz was originally targeted. They claim that Bennewitz had also stumbled upon a top secret counter-intelligence program based at a facility south of Kirtland, where the Air Force was attempting to disrupt Soviet satellites by beaming electronic signals at them. Perhaps this was the case, however, as far as I am aware, we have only Doty’s and Collins’ word for it. That, obviously, falls far short of verification. (Based on my own research into nuclear weapons-related UFO activity, it seems as likely to me that Bennewitz was targeted simply because he began telling anyone who would listen that UFOs were repeatedly hovering over the Manzano WSA. As I mention in my book, UFOs and Nukes, I now know that similar events occurred at the Weapons Storage Areas at Malmstrom AFB in 1975; at F.E. Warren AFB in 1980-81; and at RAF Bentwaters in December 1980. Other researchers had already established that such incidents also occurred at the WSAs at Wurtsmith and Loring AFBs in 1975. Doty himself wrote an OSI report about the 1980 UFO sightings at the Manzano facility, however, certain elements in that document now appear to be suspect. Jeez, whatta shock!)
This is all great Robert -- but again you failed to even MENTION GREG BISHOP's NAME!! And then you mention he's writing a book on the subject -- but neglect to mention that possibly Greg Bishop's book might have more information about whether there was secret military technology. Personally I do think that Greg Bishop's Project Beta book does give further substantiation to there being secret military technology involved. But for those who want to know more they will have to read Bishop's book -- ufomystic.com... is the website he uses for blogging.
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[edit on 25-1-2010 by drew hempel]
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thanks for the info. Yeah I'm watching this "black box" UFO doc which is the same thing -- FAA pilot recordings about UFOs --
www.guba.com...
And the military "does not admit" to it being any secret technology.
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www.guba.com...
And the military "does not admit" to it being any secret technology.
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Drew Hempel: Robert can you further explain why you think Greg Bishop and Nick Redfern were used by Richard Doty? Quite on the contrary -- Greg Bishop
is the one who EXPOSED Richard Doty's tricks! Nick Redfern has never used Richard Doty as a source that I can recall and I've read all of Redfern's
UFO books.
RH: Drew, you make so many incorrect assumptions, I don't know where to begin. I haven't got the time, frankly, to educate you about the actual time-line re: the MJ-12 hoax, the players, who exposed whom first and so on. But Bishop came late to the game and was indeed misled by Doty, as was Redfern.
Try to read Robert Durant's excellent article in the International UFO Reporter (published by the Center for UFO Studies in October 2005). If you can't find it online, write to me at [email protected] and I will send it to you as a pdf file.
Believe what you want. (Yeah, James Carlson makes legitimate claims; Vallee exposed the CIA's involvement in the cover-up; the military flies top secret aircraft over civilians' homes.)
As you wish, Drew...
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RH: Drew, you make so many incorrect assumptions, I don't know where to begin. I haven't got the time, frankly, to educate you about the actual time-line re: the MJ-12 hoax, the players, who exposed whom first and so on. But Bishop came late to the game and was indeed misled by Doty, as was Redfern.
Try to read Robert Durant's excellent article in the International UFO Reporter (published by the Center for UFO Studies in October 2005). If you can't find it online, write to me at [email protected] and I will send it to you as a pdf file.
Believe what you want. (Yeah, James Carlson makes legitimate claims; Vallee exposed the CIA's involvement in the cover-up; the military flies top secret aircraft over civilians' homes.)
As you wish, Drew...
[edit on 25-1-2010 by Robert Hastings]
Robert: Thanks again for providing me more concrete followups for information. I googled the information you gave me and got this from Saucer
Smear:
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In our Dec. 1st, 2005 issue, we commented favorably on Bob Durant's negative remarks in 'International UFO Reporter' about Greg Bishop's current book, "Project Beta". Below, Bishop tries to set the record straight: "I have to disagree with your positive assessment of Robert Durant's review of 'Project Beta' in the last IUR. Since by your own admission you have not read my book, you did not realize that Durant apparently hasn't read it either. He seems to be the sort of ufologist who has decided to 'defend the faith' rather than deal with any facts. He takes me to task for overlooking the elusive reason as to why the AFOSI did not simply tell Paul Bennewitz to cease and desist his investigations, when I actually answered this in at least two places in the text. He goes on to repeat some of the things covered in the book, and ask why I ignored them' I don't know if this is funny or tragic, but it certainly does not bode well for ufology. "I think what upset him the most is that 'Project Beta' does not treat ufology very kindly; but many of the stories that were spawned by the Bennewitz affair were accepted by a few excitable and loud individuals who sowed the bad seeds so thoroughly that we are still recovering from the fallout. Durant missed this point entirely. Fundamentalism trumps reason once again, sort of like a dog who insists on looking at your finger rather than what you are pointing at. "'Saucer Smear' continues to be the guy that stands off to the side, laughing at the dog. Keep 'em coming!..."
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thats true and thats what happens here in ATS
a lot of people with uninformed opinions talk like they researched about it
thats the most proof of ignorance or paid agents ...
a lot of people with uninformed opinions talk like they researched about it
thats the most proof of ignorance or paid agents ...
Drew Hempel: Robert: Thanks again for providing me more concrete followups for information. I googled the information you gave me and got this from
Saucer Smear:
RH: So, since Bishop's retort fits your perception of the facts, you prefer to go with that. Like I said, as you wish, Drew.
RH: So, since Bishop's retort fits your perception of the facts, you prefer to go with that. Like I said, as you wish, Drew.
Originally posted by Faiol
thats true and thats what happens here in ATS
a lot of people with uninformed opinions talk like they researched about it
thats the most proof of ignorance or paid agents...
That is no way a unique situation to ATS. Uninformed people talking as if they are experts you get everywhere! And you get that on several other mediums other than the internet, so it's not even unique in that point. Admittedly, on the internet it is easier for uninformed people to get a bigger audience though.
If you see these uninformed people and "paid agents" posting on ATS I'm sure you have shown them to be uninformed or "paid agents" by demonstrating, through argumentation based on factual information, that they are such a thing. Right?
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Every time I seen a UFO it was near a military base. I've seen about 4 UFOs in my life. I've seen mini mushrooms clouds too....Maybe UFOs are secret military craft or something else...who knows.
Every time I seen a UFO it was near a military base. I've seen about 4 UFOs in my life. I've seen mini mushrooms clouds too....Maybe UFOs are secret military craft or something else...who knows.
Drew Hempel: O.K. Robert you refer to Greg Bishop in your Operation Bird Droppings without naming him -- here:
(Quoting RH: Moore also admitted that he had performed the same shameful service by monitoring the late Paul Bennewitz, who had been provided with OSI-created lies about alleged UFO activity and alien schemes against humanity. According to Moore, Bennewitz had become a target for this disinformation and harassment after he informed OSI, in October 1980, that he had photographed UFOs over the Manzano [Nuclear] Weapons Storage Area, located just east of Kirtland AFB, on several occasions during the previous 15 months. Soon-to-be-released evidence, collected and analyzed by *another researcher* will prove that this was indeed true.)
RH: Sorry Drew. I was NOT referring to Bishop here but someone else altogether. And *his* book has yet to be published. I will notify you when it is.
I just reviewed all of your posts on this thread and I am rather taken aback by the large number of factually-inaccurate statements and/or misinterpretations of my remarks and/or off-base assumptions about one thing or another.
Not that I expect all of this to resonate with you but, in the future, I intend to concentrate on responding to my more astute critics.
[edit on 26-1-2010 by Robert Hastings]
(Quoting RH: Moore also admitted that he had performed the same shameful service by monitoring the late Paul Bennewitz, who had been provided with OSI-created lies about alleged UFO activity and alien schemes against humanity. According to Moore, Bennewitz had become a target for this disinformation and harassment after he informed OSI, in October 1980, that he had photographed UFOs over the Manzano [Nuclear] Weapons Storage Area, located just east of Kirtland AFB, on several occasions during the previous 15 months. Soon-to-be-released evidence, collected and analyzed by *another researcher* will prove that this was indeed true.)
RH: Sorry Drew. I was NOT referring to Bishop here but someone else altogether. And *his* book has yet to be published. I will notify you when it is.
I just reviewed all of your posts on this thread and I am rather taken aback by the large number of factually-inaccurate statements and/or misinterpretations of my remarks and/or off-base assumptions about one thing or another.
Not that I expect all of this to resonate with you but, in the future, I intend to concentrate on responding to my more astute critics.
[edit on 26-1-2010 by Robert Hastings]
Originally posted by Robert Hastings
I just reviewed all of your posts on this thread and I am rather taken aback by the large number of factually inaccurate statements and/or misinterpretations of my remarks and/or off-base assumptions about one thing or another that I find.
Not that I expect this to resonate with you. But in the future, I intend to concentrate on responding to my more astute critics.
You don't have to answer his questions here on ATS. (We are not like BAUT)
If having to continually correct someone is monopolizing too much of your time, then by all means ignore them. Likewise, if someone asks off-topic or loaded questions, feel free to dismiss them too.
I believe Mr. Hempel has had several hours of your time already. You certainly could not be blamed for refusing to further entertain him and I'm sure many of my fellow members would agree with and support that course of action.
Also, thanks for the swift reply re: my questions earlier.
I appreciate it.
*For my fellow members who are not familiar with Mr Hastings - You may have seen him on Larry King 'pwning' Bill Nye with Bob Sallas and Bob Jacobs.
Here is what he looks like in action, below that is his Book:
If anybody's got any questions about UFOs and nukes or missiles - Ask Mr Hastings while he is here. Even ask for his opinion on things.
Edit:
Here is the Larry Show were an ill prepared Bill Nye gets his hat handed to him by Mr Hastings, Mr Jacobs, and Mr Sallas:
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In an earlier post I referenced U.S. government documents, declassified via the Freedom of Information Act, describing early UFO activity at American
atomic (later thermonuclear) weapons sites. One such FBI memorandum may be found at:
www.project1947.com...
The memo was directed to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover; the sender was the Special Agent in Charge (SAC) in the FBI’s San Antonio field office. The first paragraph reads: “At recent Weekly Intelligence Conferences of G-2, ONI, OSI and FBI, in the Fourth Army Area, Officers of G-2, Fourth Army, have discussed the matter of ‘Unidentified Flying Aircraft’ or ‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena’ otherwise known as ‘Flying Discs,’ ‘Flying Saucers,’ and ‘Balls of Fire.’ This matter is considered top secret by Intelligence Officers of both the Army and the Air Forces.” (The last sentence was underlined for emphasis.)
And why was the subject of “Flying Discs” considered top secret? The memo continues, “During the past two months various sightings of unexplained phenomena have been reported in the vicinity of the A.E.C. [Atomic Energy Commission] Installation at Los Alamos, New Mexico, where these phenomena now appear to be concentrated. During December 1948 on the 5th, 6th, 8th, 13[th], 14th, 20th and 25th sightings of unexplained phenomena were made near Los Alamos by Special Agents of the Office of Special Investigation; Airline Pilots; Military Pilots; Los Alamos Security Inspectors, and private citizens. On January 6, 1949, another similar object was sighted in the same area.”
Another FBI memorandum, dated August 23, 1950, discusses those, and other UFO sightings near atomic weapons sites, during the previous twenty months. The full text may be found at:
user.cs.tu-berlin.de...
Directed to FBI Assistant Director D. M. Ladd, and titled “SUMMARY OF AERIAL PHENOMENA IN NEW MEXICO”, the memo states,
Observations of aerial phenomena occurring within the vicinity of sensitive installations have been recorded by the Air Force since December 1948. The phenomena have been classified into 3 general types which are identified as follows:
1) Green fireballs, objects moving at high speed in shapes resembling half moons, circles and discs emitting green light.
2) Discs, round flat shaped objects or phenomena moving at fast velocity and emitting a brilliant white light or reflected light.
3) Meteors, aerial phenomena resembling meteoric material moving at high velocity and varying in color.
The memo continues, “…Since 1948, approximately 150 observations of aerial phenomena referred to above have been recorded in the vicinity of installations in New Mexico. A number of observations have been reported by different reliable individuals at approximately the same time.”
In response to these unsettling developments, the Air Force had earlier approached Dr. Lincoln La Paz, director of the Institute of Meteoritics at the University of New Mexico, and persuaded him to undertake a classified study of these aerial phenomena, in particular the green fireballs. At the time, La Paz was widely regarded as one of the world’s leading experts on meteors and meteorites.
A short time later, on December 12, 1948, Dr. La Paz had his own green fireball sighting as the object “passed almost centrally across the Los Alamos reservation.” Eight days later, another fireball essentially repeated the feat, prompting one witness, an Atomic Energy Commission security agent, to muse, “It might damage some of our atomic installations eventually, if it is not a natural thing [but rather] man-controlled.”
The FBI memo cited above summarizes the professor’s findings: “[La Paz] concluded, as a result of his investigation, that approximately half of the phenomena recorded were of meteoric origin. The other phenomena commonly referred to as green fireballs or discs he believed to be U.S. guided missiles being tested in the neighborhood of the installations. La Paz pointed out that if he were wrong…a systematic investigation of the observations should be made immediately. La Paz pointed out that missiles moving with the velocities of the order of those found for the green fireballs and discs could travel from the Ural region of the [Soviet Union] to New Mexico in less than 15 minutes. He suggested that the observations might be of guided missiles launched from bases in the Urals…On the basis of the investigations made by Dr. La Paz and the Air Force, it was concluded that the occurrence of the unexplained phenomena in the vicinity of sensitive installations was a cause [for] concern.”
Despite La Paz’ theories about the nature of the UFOs (i.e. secret U.S. government aircraft or Soviet spycraft) no evidence has ever surfaced to support either explanation.
But sightings of UFOs at nuclear weapons sites in New Mexico were only part of the picture. One U.S. Army memorandum relating to UFO activity at the Hanford Plutonium Production Facility, near Richland, WA, may be found at:
www.nicap.org...
The memo reads:
CONFIDENTIAL
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD:
SUBJECT: Flying Discs
The following information was furnished Major Curlen by Lt Colonel Mildren on 4 August 1950:
Since 30 July 1950 objects, round in form, have been sighted over the Hanford AEC plant. These objects reportedly were above 15,000 feet in altitude. Air Force jets attempted interception with negative results. All units including the anti-aircraft battalion, radar units, Air Force fighter squadrons, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation have been alerted for further observation. The Atomic Energy Commission states that the investigation is continuing and complete details will be forwarded later.
[Signed]
U.G. CARLAN Major, GSC Survey Section
END OF MEMORANDUM
Note the mention of the failed aerial intercept by Air Force fighters. Apparently, that was not the first such attempt at the Top Secret site. Anecdotal evidence suggests that UFO activity at Hanford first took place during World War II, in January or February 1945, months before the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which occurred on August 6th and 9th, respectively. (The fissile material used in the bomb that destroyed Nagasaki was produced at Hanford.)
In 2009, I interviewed a former U.S. Navy pilot, Clarence R. “Bud” Clem, whose F6F Hellcat squadron, Air Group 50, was based at Pasco Naval Air Station in Janurary-February 1945. The base was located a few miles SE of Hanford.
Then a Lieutenant Junior Grade (Lt. jg) in the U.S. Naval Reserves, Clem told me, ”One night, shortly after the evening meal, the officers were gathered at the Officers Club for relaxation when the duty officer at the tower called our commander with a request. Lt. Commander Richard Brown took the call, as the Captain was in conference. Ensign C.T. Neal and I were with Brown and he asked us if we would volunteer to go with him to the flight line for possible duty. We both agreed and a jeep was waiting at the door to take us to the flight line. We learned that an unknown ‘bogey’ was over the Hanford Ordnance Works, according to the radar operator located on an auxiliary field just across the Columbia River from Hanford reservation.”
Clem continued, “We had been instructed upon arrival that the Hanford Ordnance Works was Top Secret and NO flights over any part were permitted…We did not know about the radar, but the duty officer stated that something was in the sky over the area and wanted someone to investigate. A plane was [already] armed and warmed-up on the tarmac. Brown stated he would go and Neal was to stand-by in another plane, in case of trouble. I was to join the [controller] in the tower and communicate info from radar to the pilots.”
Clem concluded, “Brown quickly found the object, a bright ball of fire, and took chase. But he could not close, even with water injection that gave a quick boost in speed. The object headed out NW towards Seattle and was quickly lost by radar. Brown returned to base and we three retired to the club, still shaking and wondering what we had encountered.”
I asked Clem if the pilot, Lt. Commander Brown, had described the object in detail, either over the radio or back at the Officers Club. Clem replied, “He just said it was so bright that you could hardly look directly at it. As he closed on it, it took off to the northwest at a high rate of speed. No maneuvers really, just a straight-line course.”
Following World War II, Air Force and FBI investigators were not the only members the U.S. government worried by these developments. At least one high-level CIA analyst also expressed concern over UFO sightings at sensitive government installations.
On December 2, 1952, Dr. H. Marshall Chadwell, Assistant Director of the CIA’s Office of Scientific Intelligence, wrote a Secret memorandum to CIA Director Walter B. Smith, titled, “Unidentified Flying Objects.” The memo noted repeated UFO sightings at important, but unspecified U.S. “defense” sites and stated, “At this time, the reports of incidents convince us that there is something going on that must have immediate attention…Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and traveling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles.”
While Dr. Chadwell did not identify the “major” defense sites at which the sightings had occurred, it is almost certain that he was referring to the plants at which nuclear weapons materials were being produced. Within the previous seven months, UFOs had been reported by military personnel or civilians near Oak Ridge, Savannah River and Hanford. (Another military UFO sighting and radar tracking occurred at the Hanford plant eight days after Chadwell wrote his memorandum.)
Dr. Chadwell concluded his memo to the CIA director by stating, “Attached hereto is a draft memorandum to the NSC (National Security Council) and a simple draft NSC Directive establishing this matter as a priority project throughout the intelligence and the defense research and development community.”
Clearly, Chadwell considered UFO sightings at nuclear weapons sites to be of great concern and, therefore, urged that they be brought to the attention of the highest levels of the U.S. government. By the time he wrote his memo, the mysterious aerial objects had been intermittently observed near installations associated with atomic, or the new thermonuclear weapons for a full four years—their origin, and the intentions of their presumed pilots still unknown.
--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com
www.project1947.com...
The memo was directed to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover; the sender was the Special Agent in Charge (SAC) in the FBI’s San Antonio field office. The first paragraph reads: “At recent Weekly Intelligence Conferences of G-2, ONI, OSI and FBI, in the Fourth Army Area, Officers of G-2, Fourth Army, have discussed the matter of ‘Unidentified Flying Aircraft’ or ‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena’ otherwise known as ‘Flying Discs,’ ‘Flying Saucers,’ and ‘Balls of Fire.’ This matter is considered top secret by Intelligence Officers of both the Army and the Air Forces.” (The last sentence was underlined for emphasis.)
And why was the subject of “Flying Discs” considered top secret? The memo continues, “During the past two months various sightings of unexplained phenomena have been reported in the vicinity of the A.E.C. [Atomic Energy Commission] Installation at Los Alamos, New Mexico, where these phenomena now appear to be concentrated. During December 1948 on the 5th, 6th, 8th, 13[th], 14th, 20th and 25th sightings of unexplained phenomena were made near Los Alamos by Special Agents of the Office of Special Investigation; Airline Pilots; Military Pilots; Los Alamos Security Inspectors, and private citizens. On January 6, 1949, another similar object was sighted in the same area.”
Another FBI memorandum, dated August 23, 1950, discusses those, and other UFO sightings near atomic weapons sites, during the previous twenty months. The full text may be found at:
user.cs.tu-berlin.de...
Directed to FBI Assistant Director D. M. Ladd, and titled “SUMMARY OF AERIAL PHENOMENA IN NEW MEXICO”, the memo states,
Observations of aerial phenomena occurring within the vicinity of sensitive installations have been recorded by the Air Force since December 1948. The phenomena have been classified into 3 general types which are identified as follows:
1) Green fireballs, objects moving at high speed in shapes resembling half moons, circles and discs emitting green light.
2) Discs, round flat shaped objects or phenomena moving at fast velocity and emitting a brilliant white light or reflected light.
3) Meteors, aerial phenomena resembling meteoric material moving at high velocity and varying in color.
The memo continues, “…Since 1948, approximately 150 observations of aerial phenomena referred to above have been recorded in the vicinity of installations in New Mexico. A number of observations have been reported by different reliable individuals at approximately the same time.”
In response to these unsettling developments, the Air Force had earlier approached Dr. Lincoln La Paz, director of the Institute of Meteoritics at the University of New Mexico, and persuaded him to undertake a classified study of these aerial phenomena, in particular the green fireballs. At the time, La Paz was widely regarded as one of the world’s leading experts on meteors and meteorites.
A short time later, on December 12, 1948, Dr. La Paz had his own green fireball sighting as the object “passed almost centrally across the Los Alamos reservation.” Eight days later, another fireball essentially repeated the feat, prompting one witness, an Atomic Energy Commission security agent, to muse, “It might damage some of our atomic installations eventually, if it is not a natural thing [but rather] man-controlled.”
The FBI memo cited above summarizes the professor’s findings: “[La Paz] concluded, as a result of his investigation, that approximately half of the phenomena recorded were of meteoric origin. The other phenomena commonly referred to as green fireballs or discs he believed to be U.S. guided missiles being tested in the neighborhood of the installations. La Paz pointed out that if he were wrong…a systematic investigation of the observations should be made immediately. La Paz pointed out that missiles moving with the velocities of the order of those found for the green fireballs and discs could travel from the Ural region of the [Soviet Union] to New Mexico in less than 15 minutes. He suggested that the observations might be of guided missiles launched from bases in the Urals…On the basis of the investigations made by Dr. La Paz and the Air Force, it was concluded that the occurrence of the unexplained phenomena in the vicinity of sensitive installations was a cause [for] concern.”
Despite La Paz’ theories about the nature of the UFOs (i.e. secret U.S. government aircraft or Soviet spycraft) no evidence has ever surfaced to support either explanation.
But sightings of UFOs at nuclear weapons sites in New Mexico were only part of the picture. One U.S. Army memorandum relating to UFO activity at the Hanford Plutonium Production Facility, near Richland, WA, may be found at:
www.nicap.org...
The memo reads:
CONFIDENTIAL
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD:
SUBJECT: Flying Discs
The following information was furnished Major Curlen by Lt Colonel Mildren on 4 August 1950:
Since 30 July 1950 objects, round in form, have been sighted over the Hanford AEC plant. These objects reportedly were above 15,000 feet in altitude. Air Force jets attempted interception with negative results. All units including the anti-aircraft battalion, radar units, Air Force fighter squadrons, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation have been alerted for further observation. The Atomic Energy Commission states that the investigation is continuing and complete details will be forwarded later.
[Signed]
U.G. CARLAN Major, GSC Survey Section
END OF MEMORANDUM
Note the mention of the failed aerial intercept by Air Force fighters. Apparently, that was not the first such attempt at the Top Secret site. Anecdotal evidence suggests that UFO activity at Hanford first took place during World War II, in January or February 1945, months before the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which occurred on August 6th and 9th, respectively. (The fissile material used in the bomb that destroyed Nagasaki was produced at Hanford.)
In 2009, I interviewed a former U.S. Navy pilot, Clarence R. “Bud” Clem, whose F6F Hellcat squadron, Air Group 50, was based at Pasco Naval Air Station in Janurary-February 1945. The base was located a few miles SE of Hanford.
Then a Lieutenant Junior Grade (Lt. jg) in the U.S. Naval Reserves, Clem told me, ”One night, shortly after the evening meal, the officers were gathered at the Officers Club for relaxation when the duty officer at the tower called our commander with a request. Lt. Commander Richard Brown took the call, as the Captain was in conference. Ensign C.T. Neal and I were with Brown and he asked us if we would volunteer to go with him to the flight line for possible duty. We both agreed and a jeep was waiting at the door to take us to the flight line. We learned that an unknown ‘bogey’ was over the Hanford Ordnance Works, according to the radar operator located on an auxiliary field just across the Columbia River from Hanford reservation.”
Clem continued, “We had been instructed upon arrival that the Hanford Ordnance Works was Top Secret and NO flights over any part were permitted…We did not know about the radar, but the duty officer stated that something was in the sky over the area and wanted someone to investigate. A plane was [already] armed and warmed-up on the tarmac. Brown stated he would go and Neal was to stand-by in another plane, in case of trouble. I was to join the [controller] in the tower and communicate info from radar to the pilots.”
Clem concluded, “Brown quickly found the object, a bright ball of fire, and took chase. But he could not close, even with water injection that gave a quick boost in speed. The object headed out NW towards Seattle and was quickly lost by radar. Brown returned to base and we three retired to the club, still shaking and wondering what we had encountered.”
I asked Clem if the pilot, Lt. Commander Brown, had described the object in detail, either over the radio or back at the Officers Club. Clem replied, “He just said it was so bright that you could hardly look directly at it. As he closed on it, it took off to the northwest at a high rate of speed. No maneuvers really, just a straight-line course.”
Following World War II, Air Force and FBI investigators were not the only members the U.S. government worried by these developments. At least one high-level CIA analyst also expressed concern over UFO sightings at sensitive government installations.
On December 2, 1952, Dr. H. Marshall Chadwell, Assistant Director of the CIA’s Office of Scientific Intelligence, wrote a Secret memorandum to CIA Director Walter B. Smith, titled, “Unidentified Flying Objects.” The memo noted repeated UFO sightings at important, but unspecified U.S. “defense” sites and stated, “At this time, the reports of incidents convince us that there is something going on that must have immediate attention…Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and traveling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles.”
While Dr. Chadwell did not identify the “major” defense sites at which the sightings had occurred, it is almost certain that he was referring to the plants at which nuclear weapons materials were being produced. Within the previous seven months, UFOs had been reported by military personnel or civilians near Oak Ridge, Savannah River and Hanford. (Another military UFO sighting and radar tracking occurred at the Hanford plant eight days after Chadwell wrote his memorandum.)
Dr. Chadwell concluded his memo to the CIA director by stating, “Attached hereto is a draft memorandum to the NSC (National Security Council) and a simple draft NSC Directive establishing this matter as a priority project throughout the intelligence and the defense research and development community.”
Clearly, Chadwell considered UFO sightings at nuclear weapons sites to be of great concern and, therefore, urged that they be brought to the attention of the highest levels of the U.S. government. By the time he wrote his memo, the mysterious aerial objects had been intermittently observed near installations associated with atomic, or the new thermonuclear weapons for a full four years—their origin, and the intentions of their presumed pilots still unknown.
--Robert Hastings
www.ufohastings.com
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Sir
1 Quick Question , quick answer would be fine.
I live near a Nuclear Power Plant .
Are these Plants visited by UFO'S , or is it just Nuclear Military Sites.
Sir
1 Quick Question , quick answer would be fine.
I live near a Nuclear Power Plant .
Are these Plants visited by UFO'S , or is it just Nuclear Military Sites.
O.K. so Robert you are referring to a "mystery" author of a forthcoming Bennewitz book -- the name has to remain a secret?
That's HILARIOUS!
Thanks for the "clarification" there.
Yes I would not want to waste any more of your valuable time holding such valuable secrets.
Oops:
www.tldm.org...
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That's HILARIOUS!
Thanks for the "clarification" there.
Yes I would not want to waste any more of your valuable time holding such valuable secrets.
Oops:
www.tldm.org...
On June 18, 1982, pilots and crews of Japan Air Lines Flights 403 and 421 reported sighting a giant, expanding globe of light in the North Pacific, 700 kilometers east of Kushiro. This was another test of a scalar EM howitzer/interferometer producing a "giant globular shell" of energy at a great distance. When small, the intense shell produces a very high EGP and also a very high EMP inside the matter of any object penetrating the shell. The EMP will dud any and all electronic equipment; explode high explosives, fuels, and combustibles; and render any modern weapon harmless.
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