I support the seal hunt!

reply to post by grandnic


Well I wasn't talking about the seals specifically. If they aren't endangered then hunt away. That's what I think about that.

I knew about the Atlantic Cod. It's a shame really. I hope the overfishing stops because I wouldn't mind being able to have cod for dinner 10 years from now. I know it's horrible to say but hey any reason to support protection of that particular species is good. Even if the reason is that I want to be able to eat them a ways down the road.

Ok so i just get a U2U from an ats member calling me a twat for my beliefs on the seal hunt....classy. Nice to see opposition of someone's beliefs met with personal attacks, goes right along with what this web site stands for i'm sure. But on the topic, "deny ignorance" right?? Well that's exactly what most of these posts are, ignorance by very definition. How many people who oppose has ever even seen a seal in their life?? Let alone having to depend on them for the next meal for you and your family. I'm all for animal rights and not torturing them and etc, but this is a harvest same as any other fishing/hunting/commercial slaughter whatever, same thing. Its just cause the bloody things are cute that you give a flying #. Get your head out of your ass and yourself down of your goddamn moral high horse, if you can't come with anything better than, "your an idiot if you support it or you should be the one clubbed", then don't even bother to post. I am not trying to say that this is a pretty thing at all. But like the old saying goes "don't hate the player, hate the game". IF you eat meat or wear leather than you are a hypocrite cause its the same thing, well actually, its not cause with commercial meat, they are raised in horrible conditions to be killed. This is at least in the wild. Senseless the lot of you. As we say here in Newfoundland, "you haven't got a grain my son!"



[edit on 21-1-2010 by stereovoyaged]

You have dug yourself a hole here old boy and i for one DO NOT support any animal being killed unless it’s hunted as a NECCESITY
EG/ you need to kill it to LIVE

If i'm a hitman killing the over populated humans is that ok if i get paid and support my family with it?

Originally posted by stereovoyaged
Ok so i just get a U2U from an ats member calling me a twat for my beliefs on the seal hunt....classy. Nice to see opposition of someone's beliefs met with personal attacks, goes right along with what this web site stands for i'm sure.

To personally attack you would be wrong i agree, i would prefer to attack the clubbers - CLUB THE CLUBBERS

Originally posted by stereovoyaged
But on the topic, "deny ignorance" right?? Well that's exactly what most of these posts are, ignorance by very definition. How many people who oppose has ever even seen a seal in their life?? Let alone having to depend on them for the next meal for you and your family. I'm all for animal rights and not torturing them and etc, but this is a harvest same as any other fishing/hunting/commercial slaughter whatever, same thing. Its just cause the bloody things are cute that you give a flying #. Get your head out of your ass and yourself down of your goddamn moral high horse, if you can't come with anything better than, "your an idiot if you support it or you should be the one clubbed", then don't even bother to post

Sorry but you cant control who posts

Originally posted by stereovoyaged
I am not trying to say that this is a pretty thing at all. But like the old saying goes "don't hate the player, hate the game". IF you eat meat or wear leather than you are a hypocrite cause its the same thing, well actually, its not cause with commercial meat, they are raised in horrible conditions to be killed. This is at least in the wild. Senseless the lot of you. As we say here in Newfoundland, "you haven't got a grain my son!"

and regardless of what you eat or wear this is still horrible!!!

Sayin all that i do see your argument but lets face it, its heartless.

And i can see you may respond with commercial meat, they are raised in horrible conditions to be killed. Yeah thats awful too but i dont see anyone posting on here trying to promote it.

And just for the record i dont listen to no animal rigths groups i use common sense.
Treat people and ANIMALS how you would like to be treated. Some of the charities and awareness groups are full of crackpots...... that i agree!!

EDIT: to ensure you know this isnt a personal attack - cool tattoo

[edit on 22/1/10 by Lucifer84]

I know this happens but am clueless why,

there being killed for?

reply to post by Bombeni


hello Bombeni :-)

I was reading through this thread again this morning – just to make sure of something - and read your posts:

Who are you trying to convince most, me or you?

You know what? You and I see this exactly the same way

So, if you and I agree, what’s the next sign – I forget – locusts? Frogs? :-)

But you’re so right - it’s nothing more than rationalizing

Yeah tell those screaming mothers while their pups are being clubbed to death that it isn't humane, and that someday someone will be wearing a beautiful fur coat in it's honor.

Thank you for this – brings it all into focus pretty quickly – doesn’t it?

So, for our OP, stereovoyaged...

First – you can’t be surprised by the types of responses you’ve received – you came in here looking for a fight – your entire OP was begging for it

Next – you can argue this any way you want to – of course – that’s your right. However, to call this hunting is obscenely dishonest

Or self-delusional – take your pick

What it is – is a heartless, brutal and vile act of violence against completely defenseless creatures

You can compare it to whatever you want – it will not change what it is. Can you not see – calling it a harvest – a culling – a time honored tradition or an economic necessity...

None of it changes what it is - it is what it is

Which brings me to this: I’m not going to criticize you for your position – I’m going to criticize you for allowing yourself to defend an argument you don’t agree with

Go back and read through your own posts if you don’t believe me

So, here’s this then – we each of us find ourselves in a position from time to time where we believe differently from those around us

We sometimes see and feel things differently from our family – our friends – people we know, love and respect – how can we possibly make this work in our hearts and in our heads?

We rationalize – and we defend – that’s how. We shove down our own beliefs as best we can

But we can only do that for so long before it begins to cost us

So here’s some advice you didn’t ask for: don’t judge your people – they have to make their own choices – they will believe what they believe – they’ll do what they believe they must – and for all I know they do what they must – I’m in no position to judge myself

Just realize – none of it has anything to do with you. You have to make decisions for yourself - be true to yourself - it's the only thing you can do

So – if I’m wrong? It is rather arrogant of me to suppose that I know your thinking better than you do

But then – why aren’t you out there on the ice bludgeoning baby seals to death with a club?

Is it only because you don’t need to?



[edit on 1/22/2010 by Spiramirabilis]

reply to post by stereovoyaged


And you point of this thread is? There have been a number of threads relating to the 'Seal Issue' and you are not adding to the debate, you are mearly duplicating threads. Your motive maybe to 'add stars and flags', but can you refrain from such actions in the future. Thanks.

Originally posted by The_Archangel
reply to post by stereovoyaged

 

And you point of this thread is? There have been a number of threads relating to the 'Seal Issue' and you are not adding to the debate, you are mearly duplicating threads. Your motive maybe to 'add stars and flags', but can you refrain from such actions in the future. Thanks.

The point of my thread is to bring a voice from someone who is actually where it happens, grew up with it and seen it first hand. Not some armchair protester watching cnn. These are not bad people that take part in the seal hunt, these are good hard working family people trying to put food on the table and clothes on the backs of their children. They have no other choice and put in the same situation i'm pretty sure a lot of ppl would do the same. A lot of these people dropped out of school at a very young age to fish have no real formal education and this is all they know and have available to them. Most of the outport communities are between 200-1200 people and there literally is nothing else for them to do. Fish plants have closed, business's shut down, its hard times and you make a living the best way you can. I'm not gonna quote wikipedia or some website for facts of all this cause I know it all to be true, my uncles and cousins take part in the seal hunt always have, always will. The same people who condemn them for making a living this way would condemn them if they did nothing and went on socail services. Damned if you do, damned if you don't

reply to post by stereovoyaged


My objection to post of this nature is that they are not really in keeping with the ethos of ATS. There is no conspiracy, there is no grand Illuninati plan at hand, no UFOs, no Ghosts. They are not even seals with some sort of freaky make. You know, seals body, shark head, Plesiosaurs flippers.

This is just 'woe is me' post design to cause conflict. As I say, there a stacks of post by people for and against Seal Clubbing. Go and speak you mind on them or seek out a website suited for the topic. Cheers.

reply to post by The_Archangel


Actually, I feel there could be a conspiracy hidden somewhere in this ...

Seals are mostly hunted for the fur. However, PETA and other "green" groups have been opposed to fur for a long time. My wife is wearing a winter coat, made of fur, mink I think. That coat has been is her family for more than 50 years ... how many of those "green" activist has the same North Face jacket for 50 years.

I consider myself to be someone who thinks about the environnemental effect of what i buy ... and I think #it is better to buy something that will last you a lifetime than to listen to the fashion industries and change your clothes every seasons.

I think that by listening to those "animal freaks" we are way much more harmful to the planet than by killing a few to keep us warm ... like we have done since the dawn of mankind

reply to post by The_Archangel


Actually, I feel there could be a conspiracy hidden somewhere in this ...

Seals are mostly hunted for the fur. However, PETA and other "green" groups have been opposed to fur for a long time. My wife is wearing a winter coat, made of fur, mink I think. That coat has been is her family for more than 50 years ... how many of those "green" activist has the same North Face jacket for 50 years.

I consider myself to be someone who thinks about the environnemental effect of what i buy ... and I think #it is better to buy something that will last you a lifetime than to listen to the fashion industries and change your clothes every seasons.

I think that by listening to those "animal freaks" we are way much more harmful to the planet than by killing a few to keep us warm ... like we have done since the dawn of mankind

I have a good idea I could get flamed for this, but will give my 2 cents regardless.

To people opposed to the clubbing part...what if they shot them instead?

Here in Texas, we hunt things, I don't personally because I wasn't brought up in that family, but my girlfriend's family was that type. I reap the benefits of it. In my freezer right now I have several slabs of deer meat.

But my point...we shoot poor defenseless deer. They have no more defense against a bullet than a seal does against a club. Deer to bleed out. Unless I'm really mistaken that's how they die. Where is the big opposition to that?

Like other posters have said, different corners of the worlds hunt and use different animals. It bothers Americans because it's so close to us, and yea..they are cute and cuddly. But as long as you are not hunting to where it threatens them as a species...it's ok by me. I could really care less about using the bi product. As far as I'm concerned, that's on each person's individual conscience

Originally posted by stereovoyaged
reply to post by Bizmyth

 

so why not protest chicken, beef, pork, duck, lamb, etc??

The manufacture, sale, etc of drugs brings in revenue too and it isnt right either right? it even brings in revenue for some governments!

I dont see the problem with taking down seals. They taste good, and make fine clothing. And it needs to be done to keep the population down.

The same goes for whales. Im norwegian, we hunt and eat whales.
As long as a species aint hunted to extinction, I dont see the problem.

god forbid theres an apocalyptic explosion int eh seal population.
can u imagine the destruction that would wreak on teh local sun bathing rock area, or teh part where they jsut swim around and stuff.
really need to make sure we keep that population in check.
also, your all savages and killers. no need to sugar coat the fact that you enjoy the torture of animals, at least be man enough to admit waht youve done after you have killed.

reply to post by STFUPPERCUTTER


over population of any animal is dangerous to ecosystems.

Too many seals eat too much fish...it's called the food cycle.

Hunters of any sort are not necessarily savages...there are savages among them, but not all are. please do not use blanket statements like that. especially when you are completely wrong.

Originally posted by spinkyboo
reply to post by stereovoyaged

 

And how did people survive again before they started "clubbing" the baby seals? What did they do for income before that?

Sealing was a seasonal sideline...the cod fishery was the major livelihood, and that was taken from them.

Originally posted by spinkyboo
And you are correct - I am being critical of a way of life I know nothing of.

Cute avatar...so would that be a domestic Emu...raised on a farm for meat? Any idea how they're slaughtered?

Originally posted by snipermeister
What seal clubbers need is rounded up into a pit ,starked naked then pitbulls dropped in,after a hour all those who survived are then skinned alive,i personally think clubbers are scum just like the sickos posting vids of themselves using chain saws to kill pigs or microwaving animals for a laugh.

So humans are of less value than seals? How exactly do you set up that particular value system, and at what point, for instance...is it less ethical to eat chicken or wear shoes than to kill people? And those vids? I'm quite a netizen, and that's news to me. You watch them?

Originally posted by solarstorm
reply to post by stereovoyaged

 

You seem to be a real tough guy clubbing a defenseless creature that hobbles along trying to survive for "itself". As if there are a million other things to do to make a living and you act so proud to bring this kind of a thread to ATS. May God club you and your glorious "income".

Look at a history of Newfoundland...better, talk to some Newfoundlanders and get some perspective. Best bet is to visit the Rock. But knowing what you're talking about is critical to this discussion.

Newfies also harvest jellyfish. I don't see folks going ape# over that. I guess they're not cute enough.

Self edit for (I hope) clarity.

[edit on 25-1-2010 by JohnnyCanuck]

Why seals differ from chickens. Well I , do protest chicken and other things , but when they are used for stupid things.. McChicken etc. Chickens have been most of people's food for ages before us ,now most of chickens are used for stupid fast foods etc. That's why I would support either VEGETERIANS , either CANIBALISM. Either Mother Nature's resources , either flesh of a disease.

I basicly support the Human Hunting , though I am not a canibal , nor would I want to be one.

[edit on 25-1-2010 by setuxas]

Originally posted by setuxas
Why seals differ from chickens. Well I , do protest chicken and other things , but when they are used for stupid things.. McChicken etc. Chickens have been most of people's food for ages before us ,now most of chickens are used for stupid fast foods etc. That's why I would support either VEGETERIANS , either CANIBALISM. Either Mother Nature's resources , either flesh of a disease.

I basicly support the Human Hunting , though I am not a canibal , nor would I want to be one.

Then you do not hold humans in any higher esteem than the 'lower' orders of the animal kingdom? It would be interesting to put that to the test if you were given the choice of rescuing either your dog...or a complete stranger.

In my humble opinion, you are lacking a grasp of a larger gray area occupying your absolutes...that's if I got your point right.

I do not lack any grasp , and yes I would save my dog. I consider even bugs higher than humans. The lives WE take are uncountable. The mass we destroy is so huge , that it is not even known. Everything deserves respect except those who watch something die in amusement. I am against sadists and murders , but I am also against most of humans. Kind souls exist everythere , they are the ones that deserve to be in the higher position , while the vile ones deserve to be below everything.

reply to post by stereovoyaged


Would be a real karmatic justice for you to come back in your next lifetime as one of those seals.

What goes around comes around.

As above so below.