I support the seal hunt!

reply to post by December_Rain


What do you mean what about it?? We are in a discussion forum, so I asked people to wiegh in on the issue to have a discussion. Guess I was just looking for an excuse to use the new thread button???

So you are saying that people will starve if they don't "club" the baby seals?

You are saying that there is no other way for these people to live?

That there are NO other options - and that before this practice countless people starved to death?

You are saying that "clubbing" is humane?




[edit on 20-1-2010 by spinkyboo]

Originally posted by stereovoyaged

Originally posted by sparrowstail
reply to post by stereovoyaged

 

Can I ask a couple questions? My intent is not to offend. I for one understand the economics and culture of where you live. (I'm a spud)

What are the primary reasons (markets) the seals are killed now a days? How much of the animal is used? Just the pelt? Is there a lot of waste of the meat?

At what stage of the seals life span are they harvested? Is it just the young pups or any stage that is of value?

Just curious.

You have to understand that internationally speaking the seal hunt has a brutal image and support is dying out. Just saying

I completly acknowldge teh fact that they are killed for fur and killed as pups and that its a hard site to behold, don't get me wrong. With that being said, its no more inhumane than any other kiilling of animals. Its not just the pelts being used, I have eaten enough meals of seal to confirm that trust me. These people rely on this income to get through the year and support their family, its not pretty and glamorious but its a way of life. As long as there is a market for fur its gonna happen.

Yeah tell those screaming mothers while their pups are being clubbed to death that it isn't humane, and that someday someone will be wearing a beautiful fur coat in it's honor.

reply to post by stereovoyaged


I see we are exercising our right to dominate another and either exploit and or kill them (Ref: every US/Corp invasion around our earth). I fully agree with your pointing out about our other animal killing for food and I say that a vegan would point out that you don't need to kill ANY animal and that includes humans, but I see that most will not (what's that annoying american TV term used these days) oh yes, 'get it!

Originally posted by spinkyboo
So you are saying that people will starve if they don't "club" the baby seals?

You are saying that there is no other way for these people to live?

There are NO other options - and that before this practice countless people starved to death -

You are saying that "clubbing" is humane?

[edit on 20-1-2010 by spinkyboo]

I am not saying people will starve but it is a BIG part of their income. So why they may not starve, they may loose their house/car and live a much lower quality of life. And there are no other options really, in rural Newfoundland there is little to no economy and the majority of people make their living fishing in some form or another, some own stores and some have jobs in the essential services in surrounding areas. I am speaking of a place and a way of life you have little or probally NO knowledge of. Half the people who protest this couldnt' find Newfoundland on a map let alone know anything about the economy/culture or way of life we have here. Clubbing is the accepted and legal way they are to kill the seals, no more inhumane than how a chicken or cow is killed.

[edit on 20-1-2010 by stereovoyaged]

I support the men hunt! what does that make of me?
if you bring moral issue, that fires back, there are no proof that would clearly state that a man has some higher morality above other animal.

"It helps these people get through the year and is a big boost to their income."
your statement proofs my point, humans are just an ordinary animals, their main, and mostly the only, concern is their stomach. there is nothing bad about it, it's natural. but then why we condemn murderers, killers? their job is based on the same philosophy.

Originally posted by The Baby Seal Club

I mean, do sharks and crocs sit around and worry about whether they're eating too many humans?

They don't choose one way or another what they kill or eat, It's all instinctive.
It's just nature... as you say.


To go out with weapons and batter these animals to death ios not quite the same thing is it.

We are animals, they are animals, and it's called nature.

We are and it's natural to eat and hunt and so on.
But as i said, using weapons to kill these seals is not natural.


I'm not really for or against, as i see people killing and battering animals all over the world and nothing is done, just didn't like your argument that it was natural and what you said about sharks and humans.

reply to post by stereovoyaged


And how did people survive again before they started "clubbing" the baby seals? What did they do for income before that?

I never said it was more inhumane than killing a chicken or a cow.
Although I personally believe that the act of "clubbing" any living thing is seriously distrubing and more unnecessary than I could ever express.

It takes a "special" kind of person doesn't it - that can look any animal in the eye and then take a club to its head countless times if necessary -
or worse yet - know that it will just bleed to death in pain.

Now - do you personally think this is humane?
This was the question I asked -
I didn't ask if it was legal - being legal has nothing to do with it.

[edit on 20-1-2010 by spinkyboo]

Originally posted by spinkyboo
reply to post by stereovoyaged

 

And how did people survive again before they started "clubbing" the baby seals? What did they do for income before that?

I never said it was more inhumane than killing a chicken or a cow.
Although I personally believe that the act of "clubbing" any living thing is seriously distrubing and more unnecessary than I could ever express.

It takes a "special" kind of person doesn't it - that can look any animal in the eye and then take a club to its head countless times if necessary -
or worse yet - know that it will just bleed to death in pain.

Now - do you personally think this is humane?
This was the question I asked -
I didn't ask if it was legal - being legal has nothing to do with it.

[edit on 20-1-2010 by spinkyboo]

I myself have no problem with it. And seeing as a club was probally one of the first tools man used, they probally didnt' do much before they "clubbed" things(see, if you ask a silly question you get a silly asnswer). What would you have them do, change their entire way of life because YOU dont like something they do?? This has been practiced as long as people lived on this island, so in a serious answer to your question we didnt' do anything before this, its all we know and there is no other option. In rural Newfoundland there is no wal mart to go work in, there is no jobs, the town i grew up in has one store. Closest "big" town is over an hour away and we don't go to the grocery store to pick up something for supper. Moose is a much more popular meat than beef in most cases. Again, you are critisizing a way of life you have no understanding of.

reply to post by blupblup


I guess it would depend on your definition of "weapon". I tend to think of a shark or croc's teeth and strength as their weapons. That which they use to kill their prey. Our main weapon against the other animals is our brain. This brain allowed us to develop tools to defend and survive.

Besides, whether it's a club or teeth, dead is dead...right?

I do not have a problem with hunting animals. I am a hunter myself.

I do have a problem with hunting to endangerment or extinction. That is an atrocity.

reply to post by stereovoyaged


Well may karma ring the bell on your ass in the next life. You seem to be a real tough guy clubbing a defenseless creature that hobbles along trying to survive for "itself". As if there are a million other things to do to make a living and you act so proud to bring this kind of a thread to ATS. May God club you and your glorious "income".

Originally posted by solarstorm
reply to post by stereovoyaged

 

Well may karma ring the bell on your ass in the next life. You seem to be a real tough guy clubbing a defenseless creature that hobbles along trying to survive for "itself". As if there are a million other things to do to make a living and you act so proud to bring this kind of a thread to ATS. May God club you and your glorious "income".

I don't take part in the seal hunt but members of my family have. There are not 2 other things they could do, let alone a million. Its not about income, its about survival and providing for your family. Oh and may Karma ring the bell on your ass in the next life for wishing someone to be clubbed. I'm sure the next time you eat a big mac or steak you will think about the defenseless cow that had a metal cylinder pass through its skull so you could have it.

[edit on 20-1-2010 by stereovoyaged]

Originally posted by stereovoyaged
I myself have no problem with it. And seeing as a club was probally one of the first tools man used, they probally didnt' do much before they "clubbed" things(see, if you ask a silly question you get a silly asnswer). What would you have them do, change their entire way of life because YOU dont like something they do?? This has been practiced as long as people lived on this island, so in a serious answer to your question we didnt' do anything before this, its all we know and there is no other option. In rural Newfoundland there is no wal mart to go work in, there is no jobs, the town i grew up in has one store. Closest "big" town is over an hour away and we don't go to the grocery store to pick up something for supper. Moose is a much more popular meat than beef in most cases. Again, you are critisizing a way of life you have no understanding of.

Do these things happen?

blogs.myspace.com...

CANADIAN SEALERS TESTIMONY - OBTAINED UNDER THE ACCESS to INFORMATION LAWS:

CANADIAN SEALER: "Prior to March most females were killed with the pup inside them. I seen seven pups threw over the side after the female was pelted. I took two out myself. Me and another sealer even agreed that this was shocking and there should be another way to hunt seals. We were in the whelping on March 10/98 because I observed that eight of tens pans of ice had young pups with the after birth and other debris from the birth on the ice. There was once I can remember the young seal watching his parents being hoist aboard. He watched the boat as we steamed away. The pups were not killed but left by themselves on the ice." Sealer's statement, taken by Fergus Foley, Department of Fisheries and Oceans, June 10

-To Anyone who attempts to say that sealers Dont go into whelping grounds, this testimony proves that Sealers admit to it.

To Anyone who says they don't kill babies, this testimony shows that Sealers admit they do kill baby seals.

To Anyone who tries to quote the DFO sponsored "seal hunt is humane" study where DFO escorted observers went along on board sealers ships, can now be shown that study is a fraud, there's admission above that they passed weapons behind the backs of the DFO hired observers, and even the DFO-hired observers got in on the act of throwing baby seals bodies overboard, and even observers participating in the act, tampering with, and getting rid of the evidence.

To Anyone who tries to say the seal hunt is for the meat, above they clearly admit they garbage the meat.

Here is the Evidence sealers stood by and watched them drown. This debunks the myth it is humane.

This also debunks Anyone attempting to bring up 'slaughterhouses' to justify the seal hunt. Slaughter houses DO NOT have what is called "struck & lost" animals! This means, that in the seal hunt, these sealers may either club, or shoot an animal that slips into the water, and it is wounded. This means that animal continues to suffer. Hours, days, who knows how long. That act does not happen in a slaughter house. That situation does in fact happen in the Canadian Seal Hunt! And therefore it can Never compare in the same way to a slaughterhouse, Slaughter houses do Not have struck & lost animals. And thus the Canadian Seal Hunt can Never be certified as humane. It is inherently inhumane.

The above testimony also debunks the myth that it is well-regulated. These violations were allowed to continue.

And this testimony reveals conspiring between the crew, and the so-called DFO observers, all the way up to the Sealing captain.

This is only just one testimony - there are many -
And you are correct - I am being critical of a way of life I know nothing of.
Here is some interesting information on wiki about seal hunting for those wanting to learn the history.
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by DaMod
I do not have a problem with hunting animals. I am a hunter myself.

I do have a problem with hunting to endangerment or extinction. That is an atrocity.

The Harp seal is not endangered. I'm all for seal hunts as long as it is controled and done humanely, like any other form of hunt or cattle slaughter.

However, the atlantic cod has been overfished and is now threatened. Spain and Portugal amonst others, have fished the cod schools just outside the limit of canadian water. They did not have any quota to respect. There has been a few incidents between the canadian navy and foreign fishing vessels. If we don't keep the seal population controled, the cod population will never get better.

Nobody care for the cod.
Because nobody see the cod.

Seal meat is quite good, I tried at a resto in Montreal last year. But real fresh atlantic cod is even better it's a shame that they don't take those huge cod like they used to in the 80's and before.

[edit on 20-1-2010 by grandnic]

This freaked me out. Poor little things!!

All I ask of people are two things.

1. Do not kill endangered animals.

2. If you are going to kill an animal that is not over populated, please make use of their dead corpse. Food, skin, whatever.

Otherwise I think you are just an inefficient piece of crud.

Thanks.

Originally posted by grandnic

Originally posted by DaMod
I do not have a problem with hunting animals. I am a hunter myself.

I do have a problem with hunting to endangerment or extinction. That is an atrocity.

The Harp seal is not endangered. I'm all for seal hunts as long as it is controled and done humanely, like any other form of hunt or cattle slaughter.

However, the atlantic cod has been overfished and is now threatened. Spain and Portugal amonst others, have fished the cod schools just outside the limit of canadian water. They did not have any quota to respect. There has been a few incidents between the canadian navy and foreign fishing vessels. If we don't keep the seal population controled, the cod population will never get better.

Nobody care for the cod.
Because nobody see the cod.

Seal meat is quite good, I tried at a resto in Montreal last year. But real fresh atlantic cod is even better it's a shame that they don't take those huge cod like they used to in the 80's and before.

[edit on 20-1-2010 by grandnic]

Can you imagine the looks you would get from celebs if you tried to get them to protest and protect a fishy ol codfish? Because they are not fluffy and have those big ol' eyes the seals do they don't matter.

Its essentially a fad, all the cool kids are against the seal hunt so everyone else jumps on board. You know whats an even more endangered species?? Logistic and free thinking individuals.

Do any of you realize how many cod fry are eaten by the current over population of seal. The moratorium on cod fishing will not go away until we manage the the current major cause for their low numbers. One being the over-fishing by European fisheries, the other being the over population of seals. Seals on the other hand are not only abundant and tasty, they also supply a very nice hide. Employment for everyone yeah! But wait they're cute too, better not touch them then!en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by stereovoyaged

Guess I was just looking for an excuse to use the new thread button???

that makes more sense than anything else you've said so far