The Fort Hood Report: Why Not Mention Islam?

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Yea I'm psycho I'ze can red ur mind! Seriously taking all the BS from what we where told about the shooting and some other funny factors. Like what do Hassan and the underwear bomber have in common? They both had some deep issues with isolation and sexual frustration. Both were supposedly in contact w/the same Iman. Mayhaps I assumed to much in what Hassan was thinking but I believe you are missing some clues as well.

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by adifferentbreed

 

It is possible to be both a Muslim and an American. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Like it or not, there are a few million people living in the USA who are Muslims. There are also a billion or so people world wide who are Muslims. Many of these people are good peoole, some are not. One thing that got little press was a recent protest by American Muslims denouncing the underwear bomber.

Like it or not, many of these people can be potentially radicalized. You are increasing the possibility of radicalizing these Muslims by making broad-sweeping defamatory statements about Islam.

On the flip side, these people can also be potential allies. I cannot see a blond hair, blue eyed kid from Kentucky infiltrating an Al Qaida cell. I can see a first generation Arab kid from Michigan pulling it off. I cannot see a Mormon from Utah telling the police he overheard men at his church plotting violent jihad. I can see a Pakastani from California telling the police he overhead plots of violent jihad in his mosque.

here is the problem though, Islam and Muslim are not a country and these people whether they are radical or not makes no difference. Their religion motivates them to do the wrong things, not just some of them but all of them will kill Christians and non muslims if they are called upon to do so. The first generation Arab kid from Michigan won't do anything for you if he is muslim. Making nice with them has been done, they live in North America and are part of the society but they are only American until the time comes to fight.

Originally posted by SyphonX
Okay, let's go with the theory that Islam is to blame for all the world's problems, all the recent terror attacks and that Islam is the biggest threat to 'humanity'.

Okay, got it.

So what do you propose, exactly? What do you think should be done to stop the Islamic threat? What could we possibly do over what we have already done? Two wars, millions dead, and what to show for it?

Tell me, what do we do, to "be safe"? Hrm? Would you like to live in a f-ing secure tube the rest of your life and make everyone else do so... ? Make everyone live in engineered stasis, to stay safe. Heaven forbid we ever leave those pods....

[edit on 20-1-2010 by SyphonX]

On the presumption that islam is the root cause of these issues then the simple answer is any islamics be sent away or be given a land far away where they could propagate and live in their own perfect world, like Australia. Lots of good weather, good living conditions and the whole continent would be theirs to do as they please. The only rule would be all islamists go live there and leave the rest of North America to the non denominational and the Christians. They could have all the traditional islamic countries as well.

reply to post by Erasurehead




The problem gets much more simple if everything is blame on one people and also if time and events are excluded from the equation. That is how the American people came to the conclusion that "they hate us because of our freedom".

No Brainers.

If you don't fix the (wink wink) mistakes of the past then surely it will come back to haunt you. That is what America and other arrogant powers are lacking, a sense of humanity. Apologize and change your ways, if you don't want to, don't freaken complain.

Don't call those individuals terrorists because then America would be the mother of all terrorists. If you know what that statement means then welcome to reality.

"The United States of America breeds terrorism."
oozyism

reply to post by Erasurehead



Malik Nadal Hasan performed a pre meditated terrorist attack and it should be treated and reported as such.
Shouting Allāhu Akbar was a good clue to his motives.

I agree with just about everything you've said Erasurehead including putting modadc on ignore
he's on mine too

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
Malik Nadal Hasan performed a pre meditated terrorist attack and it should be treated and reported as such.
Shouting Allāhu Akbar was a good clue to his motives.

So since our Administration isn't going to report it as such what should we do about it? This silences all of us.

reply to post by JJay55


That's a good question.
I get so frustrated sometimes, trying to figure out the what to dos.
I usually email, and call and post my concerns.
I get together with friends of a like mind so they can do the same or we come up with something different.
Not that it always does any good but at least I feel like I've tried to help.

The Ft. Hoodwink massacre was a covert op, not an act of Islamic extremism. There were too many reports of two other shooters with M-16s, shooting at numerous other locations.

Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
reply to post by JJay55

 

That's a good question.
I get so frustrated sometimes, trying to figure out the what to dos.
I usually email, and call and post my concerns.
I get together with friends of a like mind so they can do the same or we come up with something different.
Not that it always does any good but at least I feel like I've tried to help.

If we speak up and not be silenced we are using our Constitutional rights. I will not sit back and allow sharia law to creep in and tell me how to think, how to behave, how to be a woman, how to die because I'm a non-muslim, how to cower.
The signs of Islam are clear. If there are incidents the are red flags then we need to have the courage to speak up!!!

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Hey OP hope you have not forgotten to reply to my post - www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by habfan1968
here is the problem though, Islam and Muslim are not a country and these people whether they are radical or not makes no difference. Their religion motivates them to do the wrong things, not just some of them but all of them will kill Christians and non muslims if they are called upon to do so. The first generation Arab kid from Michigan won't do anything for you if he is muslim. Making nice with them has been done, they live in North America and are part of the society but they are only American until the time comes to fight.

This is very true. There will be a time when muslims are asked to fight. Probably around 2017 when there is a whole new population of young men in place to back them and be the next generation of fighters.

Islam has planned well for world domination and we are just seeing the beginning and we need to stop the possibility now by being open and honest about Ft Hood and the Islamic ideology that leads to brutal slaying in public places as it does in 57 OIC countries that are Islamic Republics.

Originally posted by starviego
The Ft. Hoodwink massacre was a covert op, not an act of Islamic extremism. There were too many reports of two other shooters with M-16s, shooting at numerous other locations.

Really? Who reported this? I happened to still have friends stationed at Ft. Hood who were there that day... And one of those friends frequents boards like ATS... I have asked him about said covert or multiple shooters, he said there were three shooters.... The two police officers, and this Muslim Extremeist....

Many of you on here have never EVVVVEEEERRRRRRR been on a battlefeild or near a shootout. I have, it gets pretty crazy different people moving in different directions multiplie guns going off, thats how things like Freindly fire can occur Moderen.

Every Play Call of Duty Moderen Warfare in A free for all or even team death matches, that but a small sample of how it is in real time, its crazy and chaotic. There was one shooter Hassan the RADICAL muslim Turncoat. Not because he was a Muslim, but because he was A RADICAL MUSLIM.

I agree that political correctness is probably why they did not mention his religious beliefs in the Report.

On the other hand however...people are taking these statements about Muslims way too far. Yes, there is a radical faction of Islam that is dangerous and the religious ideology factor of it is concerning. But, come on...most Muslims are normal, down-to-earth people that want peace, security and prosperity for their families and people.

I understand and acknowledge the threat that Radical Islam poses to non-Islamic countries. I am just saying that to distrust, hate and ridicule Muslims that have done nothing wrong is unfair and unreasonable. I prefer to judge people by their actions as opposed to their religious beliefs.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
I agree that political correctness is probably why they did not mention his religious beliefs in the Report.

On the other hand however...people are taking these statements about Muslims way too far. Yes, there is a radical faction of Islam that is dangerous and the religious ideology factor of it is concerning. But, come on...most Muslims are normal, down-to-earth people that want peace, security and prosperity for their families and people.

I understand and acknowledge the threat that Radical Islam poses to non-Islamic countries. I am just saying that to distrust, hate and ridicule Muslims that have done nothing wrong is unfair and unreasonable. I prefer to judge people by their actions as opposed to their religious beliefs.

If there is such a thing as a small minority of Muslims then why is it so hard for all the thousands, no millions of moderate muslims to speak out against the "extremists"????
Where is the movement within Islam to quell this violence????

America is so affraid to offend someone because they might.... riot. These are the same people who riot over cartoons and burn cars in Paris.

American non-muslims aren't going to go out and start beating up muslims because we mention the truth about Islam. American non-muslims aren't going to spit on muslims, bully muslims, call muslims names, we are not. We just want the truth to be told.
Muslims are so afraid they are going to be discriminated against without any evidence that will happen. We shouldn't have to prove that we are peaceful when the ones causing violence against Americans and muslims are MUSLIMS.

Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by Erasurehead

 

Hey OP hope you have not forgotten to reply to my post - www.abovetopsecret.com...

I did respond to your post. I told you I did not have any legal documents to show you but if I come across some I will post a link for you.

I think the powerpoint presentation he did before the attack, explaining to an audience why he had to do it because he was religiously compelled to, should probably be all that one needs to understand that it was intended as a jihadi act.

reply to post by Erasurehead

Originally posted by Erasurehead
The motive is typically mentioned in any document detailing the investigation of a crime.

I am talking about this document. Since you said his motive was his religion, it's because you saw the document right? Or did you just say it without seeing the document?

Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by Erasurehead

 

Originally posted by Erasurehead
The motive is typically mentioned in any document detailing the investigation of a crime.

I am talking about this document. Since you said his motive was his religion, it's because you saw the document right? Or did you just say it without seeing the document?

The whole thread is about the fact that the motive was left out of the document investigating the Ft. Hood shooting. Yes I have read the report.
There is no mention of religion even though witnesses state he was yelling Allah Akbar while shooting people. Sounds like jihad to me.

I said that the motive is typically mentioned in ANY document detailing the investigation of a crime. Yes I have seen police reports listing the motive of the crime on the document. No I don't have any documents readily available for you.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Who reported this?

Lots of people--


news.yahoo.com...
One of the shooters at large was believed to have a high-powered sniper rifle, and was holed up in a building surrounded by SWAT teams, MSNBC said.
"He heard small arms and some rifle fire while he was there.....''

www.msnbc.msn.com...
KCEN quoted a source as saying the shooter had a high-powered rifle.

www.freerepublic.com...
forum post no. 30
dead shooter had 2 handguns, captured major carried a rifle

forums.fingerlakes1.com...
2 suspects with M16s, 1 neutralized.

forum.prisonplanet.com...
forum post no. 572
I turned on Cnn.com at 2:30 central time.  1 hour after the shooting.  They had a general on air, and said multiple times that they were using M-16s.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
--foxnews-- A general is saying that M16s were involved [greeneyedleo]
--Retired Army General [Bob Scales] on the phone saying the weapons used were M16's [CX]
--Local news from Central Texas is still stating an assault rifle and hand guns. [pg 36 justaposter]

www.mcclatchydc.com...
Details of the events were sketchy, but officials said the shooting involved two men with M-16 rifles

rigorousintuition.ca...
From KCEN-TV in Waco, Texas:
Reports say the shooter had a high-powered rifle and was aiming to kill.

I thought the Fort Hood shooting was a cover to retrieve stolen Gold where does the religious aspect fit into all this?