The Fort Hood Report: Why Not Mention Islam?

reply to post by Erasurehead


You are correct in saying people can be called Christian extremist when a radical Christian bombs a abortion clinic but you skipped the part that "extremist" would not be related to Christianity in legal papers. So I ask you why?

If Christianity or any such religion who commit crimes in name of religion were used before in legal documents before, I would consider your view. So can you show any legal documents where any religion was associated with crimes in US history?

[edit on 20-1-2010 by December_Rain]

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
reply to post by Erasurehead

 

Let's say the story is true and that you are not naive... just for a second though

How is this islamic extremism?
Just tell me how you define this as islamic extremism.

[edit on 20-1-2010 by ModernAcademia]

Islamic extremism is the idea that Jews and Christians are regarded as being part of the great mass of infidels. They are viewed this way because they have deliberately rejected the truth and because they are seen as supporters of Western colonialism and Zionism. The Jews are the ultimate enemy. Being Jewish alone is sufficient to merit condemnation, and in their view should to be eradicated. Any Christians that support Jews deserve the same fate.

Hasan committed murder because he felt that the US military was supporting colonization of the middle east and the Zionist Jews in Israel. He felt he was defending his religion.

Originally posted by Erasurehead
Hasan committed murder because he felt that the US military was supporting colonization of the middle east and the Zionist Jews in Israel. He felt he was defending his religion.

He felt he was defending his brothers and sisters
that is not religious extremism

You said before not everything is a conspriacy then you add your own conspiracies about anti-zionism?

nice try
Tip: Don't go to vegas!

Originally posted by solomonskey
reply to post by Erasurehead

 

look i am muslim and i am gonna join the us marines soon just waiting for my papers and IT WAS A TERRORIST ACT but majority of muslims or not violent and evil..pls people get that in ur mind.

Some people here view Muslims that way as a whole. I know a few Muslim families that are upstanding individuals. I could never see any of those people doing anything violent. In fact one in particular invited me (a Christian) to join them for dinner. I have to say the food was a bit curry heavy for me but the gesture was nice and they where extremely friendly and hospitable.(they where from Iran originally)

Most of us are not out to get everyone associated with Islam. It's the extremists we are after.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Erasurehead was pointing out what the motives were in the shooting were and you claim he added a conspiracy? What Hassan believed does not add another conspiracy, it was what he believed. The real conspiracy in all of this was how a man who preached his personal beliefs about Islam to patients in his care and gave a pro-suicide bomber presentation was able to climb the ranks to major. I'd love to live in your world where the only bad guys are ourselves.

Originally posted by hangedman13
What Hassan believed does not add another conspiracy, it was what he believed.

Really?
Ok thanks for adding that

and for how long were you in his head?

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Erasurehead
Hasan committed murder because he felt that the US military was supporting colonization of the middle east and the Zionist Jews in Israel. He felt he was defending his religion.

He felt he was defending his brothers and sisters
that is not religious extremism

You said before not everything is a conspriacy then you add your own conspiracies about anti-zionism?

nice try
Tip: Don't go to vegas!

You asked me to define Islamic extremism and I did. Islamic extremists believe the Jews and Christians that support the Jewish state of Israel are the enemy and conspire against Islam. Like I said, He felt he was defending his religion. I did not add any anti-zionism conspiracy.

What is your point anyway? First you try to deny that Hasan was the Ft. Hood shooter then you make a statement that he was defending is brothers and sisters. (who ever they may be.. )

Okay, let's go with the theory that Islam is to blame for all the world's problems, all the recent terror attacks and that Islam is the biggest threat to 'humanity'.

Okay, got it.

So what do you propose, exactly? What do you think should be done to stop the Islamic threat? What could we possibly do over what we have already done? Two wars, millions dead, and what to show for it?

Tell me, what do we do, to "be safe"? Hrm? Would you like to live in a f-ing secure tube the rest of your life and make everyone else do so... ? Make everyone live in engineered stasis, to stay safe. Heaven forbid we ever leave those pods....

[edit on 20-1-2010 by SyphonX]

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Originally posted by Erasurehead
You asked me to define Islamic extremism and I did.

Please quote me asking you this question
Because im fairly sure I never asked this question

plz advise

Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by Erasurehead

 

You are correct in saying people can be called Christian extremist when a radical Christian bombs a abortion clinic but you skipped the part that "extremist" would not be related to Christianity in legal papers. So I ask you why?

If Christianity or any such religion who commit crimes in name of religion were used before in legal documents before, I would consider your view. So can you show any legal documents where any religion was associated with crimes in US history?

[edit on 20-1-2010 by December_Rain]

The motive is typically mentioned in any document detailing the investigation of a crime. Why someone committed a murder is an important piece of evidence used in court to convict someone. Why is the motive left out of this report?

I don't have any documents to show an example of this but I am sure they are out there. If I find one I will post a link.

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
Generally I am no fan of political correctness, but with regards to the "War on Terror" extending a little more tolerance to Muslims can go a long way or prevent disaster. While there may be some merit to profiling Muslims at security checkpoints, it is not wise for Americans to insult all Muslims or all of Islam.

America needs to do everything it can to win the hearts and minds of moderate Muslims here and abroad, or at the very least prevent them from becoming terrorist sympathizers. If an official government report blames Islam as a whole for a terrorist act, not only will extremists use this as ammunition in the war for hearts and minds, but moderate Muslims will take offense to this.

Wrong. We are kind and we are tolerant. Muslims need to have tolerance and assimilate. Muslims need to stop their own from using violence. Muslims need to step up and become less offended and understand that no one is insulting them when we speak the truth.

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Do you have the legal documents which are detailing the motivation of crime of are the documents MSM? Can I have links to legal documents which detail the motivation of crime pls?

The reason the report was written the way it was is because the Administration doesn't have the balls to speak the truth. The Administration insists all government employees be politically correct.
This will only get more people killed.
This will only allow Americans to think they cannot speak out when a muslim is showing PowerPoint presentations and preaching hate and motivating to kill non-muslims.
This is not the way to make our country safe!!! I am ashamed of those desicion makers who are so afraid to stand up and protect us.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Erasurehead
You asked me to define Islamic extremism and I did.

Please quote me asking you this question
Because im fairly sure I never asked this question

plz advise

First page second post from the bottom.
And I quote:

How is this islamic extremism?
Just tell me how you define this as islamic extremism.

You're just baiting me into an argument. Again what is the point you are trying to make?

Originally posted by Erasurehead

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Erasurehead
You asked me to define Islamic extremism and I did.

Please quote me asking you this question
Because im fairly sure I never asked this question

plz advise

First page second post from the bottom.
And I quote:

How is this islamic extremism?
Just tell me how you define this as islamic extremism.

You're just baiting me into an argument. Again what is the point you are trying to make?

How was the fort hood shooting islamic extremism to you means what is islamic extremism??

ummm... i'm sorry no it doesn't!

There is no way to distinguish extemism in humans. It can be distinguished in a ideology however, and Islam has many many examples of terrorism. Over 15000 incidents of Islamic terrorism listed here since 911:
www.thereligionofpeace.com

Stop the ideology and it stops the violence. Islam has some work to do and only 12 people showed up at the last march/protest to prove they were peaceful and against violence.
1.6 billion people were absent at the demonstration of how peaceful Islam is. The OIC is responsible and should be held accountable.... oh but they have oil. F that.

Originally posted by December_Rain
The Fort Hood Report: Why Not Mention Islam?

-> May cause they did not wanted to make a fool out of themselves.

That's what I'm thinking.

People were immediately suspecting this to be a psychological operation or that this guy was a "Manchurian candidate."

Constantly reminding us that you were trying to emphasize that he was Islamic so you can continue to discriminate against an entire religion of people, would make it that much more painfully obvious in today's world.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Erasurehead

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Erasurehead
You asked me to define Islamic extremism and I did.

Please quote me asking you this question
Because im fairly sure I never asked this question

plz advise

First page second post from the bottom.
And I quote:

How is this islamic extremism?
Just tell me how you define this as islamic extremism.

You're just baiting me into an argument. Again what is the point you are trying to make?

How was the fort hood shooting islamic extremism to you means what is islamic extremism??

ummm... i'm sorry no it doesn't!

Come on. You're not that dumb. In order for me to tell you how the Ft. Hood shooting was Islamic extremism I would first have to define Islamic extremism right? Duh..

You obviously have no point and just want to argue. Now I remember why you were on my ignore list.

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
Generally I am no fan of political correctness, but with regards to the "War on Terror" extending a little more tolerance to Muslims can go a long way or prevent disaster. While there may be some merit to profiling Muslims at security checkpoints, it is not wise for Americans to insult all Muslims or all of Islam.

America needs to do everything it can to win the hearts and minds of moderate Muslims here and abroad, or at the very least prevent them from becoming terrorist sympathizers. If an official government report blames Islam as a whole for a terrorist act, not only will extremists use this as ammunition in the war for hearts and minds, but moderate Muslims will take offense to this.

Wrong. We are kind and we are tolerant. Muslims need to have tolerance and assimilate. Muslims need to stop their own from using violence. Muslims need to step up and become less offended and understand that no one is insulting them when we speak the truth.

You are so damn full of yourself. The muslims need to assimilate? We are kind and we are tolerant? What in the holy mother of **ck, are you serious?

So what are these two wars we are currently waging? A few thousand killed under suspicious circumstances means we should slaughter 100x more on their soil along with thousands of our own troops?

Oh, we are so kind. You ignorant, pompous child.