Billy Meier What A Joke!

Finally I�m convinced...it�s true, Pleiadans exist

I read all the scientifc evidence at www.billymeier.com and it�s all I needed.

Sorry to doubt.

Want to see it? here it is

(I guess that empty white page is all the scientifc evidence Mr Meier himself has to offer)

i think what is needed is a site with genuine pics up for us to look at.

we dont know what he claims as real or what are just fakes that people have labelled meiers.

can we have a list of links to the genuine sites so we can look into this a bit more ?

i have some producer type people playing with the sounds and i have some car people trying to figure out the type of car in the pic ?

any ideas ?

Originally posted by Peronemlin
(I guess that empty white page is all the scientifc evidence Mr Meier himself has to offer)

billymeier.com has been under construction for quite awhile. I'll be sure to tell the guys at Steelmark publishing to drop all their work on the next English photo journal of Meier's (the one that'll make you wonder why you ever doubted his photos in the first place), so that they could get their website up to date. I already have the German version, and it's sah-weet!

Originally posted by acidhead
i think what is needed is a site with genuine pics up for us to look at.

we dont know what he claims as real or what are just fakes that people have labelled meiers.

can we have a list of links to the genuine sites so we can look into this a bit more ?

i have some producer type people playing with the sounds and i have some car people trying to figure out the type of car in the pic ?

any ideas ?

Nice work on getting others involved in the sounds, etc. I'd be glad if you could send me a detailed analysis of their review (or post it here...whatever makes sense). I know you don't have all the info, e.g. the data in Stevens' Prelininary Report and Supplementary Report, but if you could have them at least take note of everything that's in the sound recording report on Michael's site, that would be helpful.

As far as a site with all genuine pics, Steelmarkonline.com is beginning to post the most clearly rendered scans of Meier's originals on their site. If you click on them, you'll get a bigger pic (I wish they were a larger though). They say the photo journal should be out soon in English and has a lot of photos that haven't been seen on the web. If enough people make some noise, maybe Steelmark could get a lot more photos from Meier, including some uncropped versions of the cropped ones that are being displayed here, i.e. the famous "matchbox car" shots, etc. I know Meier is careful about who he hands his photos to nowadays since they've been dragged through the mud and manipulated since inception. But Steelmark and Michael Horn are apparently trusted by Meier, so let's see.

[edit on 26-7-2004 by Aurelius]

Nice work on getting others involved in the sounds, etc. I'd be glad if you could send me a detailed analysis of their review (or post it here...whatever makes sense). I know you don't have all the info

i have told some what the sound is supposedly from , i have told others its off an old album and i want to know how to recreate it - we shall see

oh , and check the link for my mp3 again - i just updated it , i figured that the harmonic low noise in the background is actually something to do with feedback from a delay unit when fed on itself , i will have that sound very soon i think

To me, those pictures posted seem as if the crafts were placed on top of an original image. The lighting and the rays gleaming from the object doesn't seem to match the gloomy weather behind it. I was in an Advanced Computer class two years ago and one of the first programs I started using was Soft Image. Out of boredum I have created similar, yet more realistic looking crafts on top of nature stock photos. Soft Image, 3D Studio Max... see for yourself.

Originally posted by superslicksh0es
To me, those pictures posted seem as if the crafts were placed on top of an original image. The lighting and the rays gleaming from the object doesn't seem to match the gloomy weather behind it. I was in an Advanced Computer class two years ago and one of the first programs I started using was Soft Image. Out of boredum I have created similar, yet more realistic looking crafts on top of nature stock photos. Soft Image, 3D Studio Max... see for yourself.

I agree with you on the lighting...

I would like to see some of you pictures that you created.

Originally posted by superslicksh0es
To me, those pictures posted seem as if the crafts were placed on top of an original image. The lighting and the rays gleaming from the object doesn't seem to match the gloomy weather behind it. I was in an Advanced Computer class two years ago and one of the first programs I started using was Soft Image. Out of boredum I have created similar, yet more realistic looking crafts on top of nature stock photos. Soft Image, 3D Studio Max... see for yourself.

Which pictures posted are you talking about? The ones in this thread or on Steelmarkonline.com? The ones on the latter seem to match their respective backgrounds pretty well, especially the one close to the tree at Fuchsb�el-Hofhalden which is also reflecting the nearby branches on its rear left surface. And check out the "sunshot" where the ship is near the far tree. You can clearly see the coloration of the craft not only picking up the "distance cueing" or hazing effect (which I'm sure you picked up in 3D class) indicating considerable distance, but also picking up the orange-reddish tint of the sunset environment. That is an incredible shot, imo. But I think the scans of these photos on that site came a bit dark and somewhat oversaturated in color, as I have seen these photos in Meier's binder and they seemed not as dark/saturated.

3D Studio rules. I've been using 3ds max and its predecessors and other raytracers since they started in DOS in the early 90s. As far as light reflectivity, one factor we have to keep in mind is that during many of the photo ops Meier had, the ship would shield itself from sight in all directions and only allow a small portal of visibility to Meier, probably by allowing external light to enter into the shielding, but letting it escape only in the portal area. Not only was this explained by Meier in the Meier Chronicles video and written in his earliest contact reports, but it was later demonstrated to a group of people. Meier gave his camera to another guy to load in his own film (not Meier's), then Meier took a photo of about 7 or 8 people standing together. The guy developed the roll and behind them, a beamship was present on all the pics.

Originally posted by MacKiller

I agree with you on the lighting...

I would like to see some of you pictures that you created.

MacKiller.... LOVE the iCrap pic!

can we testimonials from these people ?

a copy of the pics would also be nice as i havent seen a ufo and a human in the same pic from meiers yet

they must be real, why else would the thread be this long? I personally dont agree with all his material, but some of it makes you think.

Originally posted by acidhead
can we testimonials from these people ?

a copy of the pics would also be nice as i havent seen a ufo and a human in the same pic from meiers yet

I'll try to get the pics - I know they exist - and the testimonials (if they were indeed taken down) and post them here.

Perhaps fellow is blinded by bright light, I posted excerpts from comments by scientists and experts about a page back and lots of it can be found at: www.theyfly.com for FREE (unless that's too expensive for ya!)

I must say acidhead has done a marvelous job at creating a sound similar to Billy Meier's. Sure, it's not an exact duplicate, but it definately sounds like Billy Meier's supposed recording of an extraterrestrial craft came from a similar source. It doesn't rule out the possibility of the sound being extraterrestrial in origin, but it does make one wonder...

[edit on 7-26-2004 by Jenkins]

Sounds like is not necessarily the same thing. Sounds need to be scoped and compared to known data of Meier's. But before we get all giddy, please remember: 1980, outdoors, broad daylight, 15 witnesses (including undercover cop), 40 minutes long, ambient nature sounds, three known objects (airplane engines) identified by Groton Naval Undersea Sound Labs., plenty of time for people to search for and note lack of speakers, recording -playback equipment, etc., etc. NO RECORD OF ANY SUCH EQUIPMENT AVAILABLE TO, OR IN, MEIER'S POSSESSION AT ANY TIME.

Point being even the sound recordings didn't take place in a vacuum. Please review the six-year investigation by trained investigators and the well observed, documented details of Meier's life as a one-armed man supporting a family, renovating a home, living on a farm in a remote rural area, removed from even moderately high tech equipment (1975 -1981), producing five categories of still irreproducible physical evidence, 48 years of highly specific, prophetically accurate scientific and world event-related information...

And what were you and I, presumably two-armed people, doing then...and now...that even remotely compares in productivity, degree of difficulty, credibility, etc.?

It's a good idea to not let one's imagination or beliefs override logic and common sense.

i understand what you are saying about the sounds need to be tested but you also have to consider :-

the sound is a 32kps mp3 file that i am trying to emulate , basically meaning that under closer inspection the sound will be artifacts of mp3 compression and not much else , waveforms will be lost , all these magical unheard of sounds will not be there because of mp3 compression (mp3 takes out what you cant hear because of its lossy compresion)

putting my sound near yours under a magnifying glass is pointless unless you get me a copy of the original tape onto a high quality .wav recording.

also , the tape that was under scrutiny and had all these mysterious sounds that where moving etc - was the equipment tested ?
who is to say that the recording mechanism of the tape recorder wasnt adding low harmonics ? the mic maybe was adding a little bit?
you dont know from the recording what exactly is the original sound and what is mechanical noise from the equipment until you actually do that so your amazing sound analysis falls on its face.

as i have said many times before , getting a sound to be totally exact is going on impossible , analogue equipment by its own nature sounds different day by day. if i created a basic square wave sound on a nice day , and then created the sound on a cold wet day the sound would be slightly different.
now take into account the artifacts of different equipment used , if i record the same square wave from for eg. a moog synth and then recorded the same square wave on a newer access virus synth then the sound would not only sound different but would look slightly different under the microscope

i have shown in many instances close similarities to the ufo sound , not hitting it exactly on the nose but i doubt even meiers could do that again if he tried.
my various efforts of recording i have shown that :-

the click at the start of the recording is actually a mic being tapped (and echoed??) - which means that the sound has been processed in some way.

the underlying harmonics that you hear in the background are from a delay unit that is being fed on its own feedback signal

the high pitched whine sound is actually feedback through some kind of filter and is being controlled by either knob movement of filter settings and/or microphone movement

the animal noises in the background are basically impossible going by the the reports i have read. the aiwa tape deck used has by the report inbuilt compression/limiting so a noise of that magnitude recorded directly to cassette (that you can hear makes the limiter start to work) would not let you record the low level sounds such as birds and animal noises - i challenge you to try this and record the sound of birds chirping over the sound of a power drill when both are in a similar proximity

as you keep on saying about the witnesses - did they actually see the ufo make the noise ? i can play sounds and confuse people to where the sound is comming from - if you reverse the polarity of 1 speaker in a 2 speaker system then 1 speaker is playing out of phase and will make the sound like it is comming from everywhere and not a specific point

when you add up all this together , im sorry but it doesnt look pretty good for his recording does it.

why not show my sound to your engineer and email him this and see what conclusions he draws from it

thanks

marc



[edit on 27-7-2004 by acidhead]

Originally posted by Scolecite
they must be real, why else would the thread be this long? I personally dont agree with all his material, but some of it makes you think.

i agree , after reading alot of reports on varrious things i too think some of it is very interesting but also some of it is so fake on inspection its makes me cringe

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[edit on 7-27-2004 by Jenkins]

Originally posted by michaelhorn
Perhaps fellow is blinded by bright light, I posted excerpts from comments by scientists and experts about a page back and lots of it can be found at: www.theyfly.com for FREE (unless that's too expensive for ya!)

yeah , i read the reports

mostly of the photo reports focus on if the picture is superimposed or messed with and doesnt really go into much depth on if it was a model - or even if it was a photo of a photo for that matter

another point being is these ships have sheilds to make them cut through the atmosphere and gravity etc yet on the videos they either swing (on a string?) or have to bank ? why do they have to bank if they are not subject to our atmosphere in the way they fly ?

The professional sound recording studios were state of the art. Consider that the lead investigator, Wendelle Stevens, had started investigating unusual aerial phenomena in 1947 while in the USAF, the other two investigators still operate a high-security company that operates at the top level of international investigation and security. The facilities and personnel they used were extremely well-qualified. Marcel Vogel at IBM, who examined the metal alloy samples, held 32 patents and is on record stating that the technology used to produce the alloys exceeded anything known to him. Re-read the scientists and their comments.

This is the tip of the ice berg but it still requires more thinking and reasoning. Men's lives have been deteremined in courts, for better or worse, on far, far less compelling evidence than exists in this case.

Once you have truly assimilated all of this you can just put aside the UFO and ET part and get on to the heart of the case as it pertains to our future survival.