infiltrating area 51, some questions please?

Hi, i have a couple of questions regarding area 51 or groom lake, and hopefully discussion becomes of this thread; i'm looking more for your opinions, i myself have have strongly very thought about grabbing my ak-47, with a couple of guys i know to perhaps get as far as possible into area 51 or at least past the signs and right up to the fence or perimiter.

I have been looking through many threads on here, as well as ding countless amounts of research and understanding the consequences of entering area 51, as well as understanding information that is avaliable to the public about area 51. i feel compeled to take some type of risk and go for it. my men/crew are also prepared for the risk, and if we could get some photos or perhaps video footage that no other ametures even though were far from ametures we have sufficent training in hand to hand combat and firearms training. that we think would be sufficent to see off anything we encounter on the ground to get us to the perimiter or fence.

some people may think this could be a potential suicide mission, but whilst we know the risks involved i think i can get back some type of footage and photos of this, we think we can bring back footage that has not been seen on here before. and i think that might be worth it.

now here are my questions: or your opinions on the matter>

1.) once past the first lot of signs how far to the actual permiter fence in distance?

2.) what would be likley to encounter on ground, say every 400-800m, once we get past the first lot of signs?

3.) the desired crew, an experienced rally trained driver, who is experienced on driving on most terrains, is very cool under pressure, and has great manouvers if needed to out smart certainly cammo guys or the sheriff; there is are two more possibly three guys who have great athletic backgrounds running abilitys for each man range from times of high 10sec 100m, all the way up to about high 4mins or very low 5mins for a mile. have various different fight training backgrounds, there is one pottential ex-sas man, who is specialised in krav-maga and takwando. the other 2 guys have various high quality back grounds ranging from kung-fu to boxing. i'm not sure if the hand to hand combat will come into use or not for such a mission?, all have including driver; vast experience in handling firearms, once again ranging from sniping to close quarter with a pistol if need be., i can hang with the guys in these areas if need be.

4.) i would very much like to be a part of this mission, but might have my men take the risk, whilst i wait on a nearby hillside or mountain to either collect the evidence or perhaps provide some cover for my guys or perhaps swoop down to get some out of dodge if things did turn ugly; can anybody recomend a good mountain or hillside?, something with realative easy access and good vantage points?

5.) possible vehicle choice and desired speed?, we have thought about a choice of 2 at the moment either we have two modified porsche cayenne, they are tuned by techart and have the ability of 200mph, with a weight of 2.5 tonnes, our mods should bring the weight up to possibly 3.5 tonnes but were hoping a bit less 3.2 or 3.3 tonnes, that includes armour and bullet proof windows, and special high performance low profile, run flat tyres. also heavy duty charge rammer, sort of like a battering ram to smash through fencing or walls.

6.) the best road for straightness, for maximum speed once we get past the signs to take us to the fence, then we hope to smash through?

7.) tempreatures at 11.a.m onwards in the months between july to september; also tempreatures of a night midnight to 3 a.m.

8.) regarding security, best of a night or daytime?, or does it matter?, of a night we dont have to use headlghts and use infra-red technology?

9.) we would very much like to either stream this attempt live on here or somewhere else on the web incase we were not to make it back?, more 2 come soon.

This seems like a bad idea. You know that as soon as your anywhere near there you have eyes on you. If you were to be on another hilltop watching what's going on you would be taken out before you had a chance to do anything. There just is really no way this could ever work using 3 people and some guns.

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You got more chance parachuting in, with a stealth jet...
just saying

Im all for finding out the truth, but even the fastest runner cant outrun a black ops helicopter.

I would say day time might be better, you run a slightly better chance of catching them off guard. I would HIGHLY advise against using deadly force, even as a last resort, unless you are being shot at. Also, why would you NOT want to go in? especially if this is your Idea and not theirs. you will need a VERY high quality spycam detector, though scanning might take too long.

I would be very surprised if you made it past the signs. they have sensors all over the place and I would imagine they keep close tabs on all routes to and from long before they inform you that you are being watched.

I have a pretty good idea of what will happen afterwards, depending on if they want to acknowledge the attempt or not. best case scenario, they send you to court. worst case scenario besides a lethal gun shot wound would be them taking you inside to some sort of containment and detention center.

I would imagine streaming the attempt would prove difficult, as I imagine they are constantly scanning the area for any broadcast transmissions, plus it would be way more work that it would be worth with the low bitrate of the video and the rapid movements required by your mission.

You have too many fighters on your team. you need a nerdy tech guy, a sassy chick and a scoundrel with a heart of gold, haha.

I really want to make a film about this, much like the plot of fanboys, hahaha

I wish you all the best of luck, however, you will fail. Even worse, die.

Things you gotta think about, because I already thought of it, are full-time snipers ready to load and im not talking about actual ppl, but maybe laser weapons on stand-by.

also infra-red and night vision cameras will detect you immediately. and any laser weapon will very sufficiently (and silently) terminate you.

Youv'e GOT to consider the many possibilities and different forms they can end your life. i wouldnt be surprised if they had proximity mines.

or maybe im just playing too much 007 and modern warfare.

[edit on 10/13/2009 by Zeta Reticuli]

I thought they closed shop at that site and relocated to Utah. Seems like a waste planning a visit to an abandoned area.

I would have thought that if you were planning a covert operation to assault one of the most secret places on the face of the planet, setting aside the existence of alien craft or not at the base, then advertising the fact on a public website with your plan laid out in detail, somewhere where you can be traced back to your point of origin, is not exactly the best way to set out.

If nothing else I would be preparing for how you will deal with the black helicopters, dark windowed vehicles, and men in black with dark shades, following your every move for the next couple of years.

What is it with dark glass and MIBs? Snake eyes probably.

Originally posted by apollospeed
Hi, i have a couple of questions regarding area 51 or groom lake, and hopefully discussion becomes of this thread; i'm looking more for your opinions, i myself have have strongly very thought about grabbing my ak-47, with a couple of guys i know to perhaps get as far as possible into area 51 or at least past the signs and right up to the fence or perimiter.

having done work at TTR and being aware of the security there, and knowing that the security at Groom is much tighter - I can assure you that if you cross the fence with an AK-47 you will come to a very quick and decisive demise.

Seriously, leave the threatening weapons at home when you go exploring perimeters of gov't facilities - Particularly Groom!

As for which road to take, as soon as you start down the road you are on their grid and they know you are there.

Your better of taking a hike to Dulce and see if you can find that secret base, TBH, Area 51 isnt even the top cheese, its just a little place where they test planes, a few security in jeeps, dont believe everything your told about ubber powered laser guns, its not true.

Area 51 isnt nowhere near secure as some other places, go to Dulce and investigate that base instead, much more interesting and something we dont have much information on, there is tonns of already documented info on Area 51

[edit on 18-1-2010 by Itop1]

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an experienced rally trained driver, who is experienced on driving on most terrains, is very cool under pressure

Cool under pressure is good, but have you seen the killing machines they make in that place?

No chance of getting to anything of any importance before choppers being scrambled at the very least....If your crew was very lucky you might get to a security check point, at that point they would know where you are and destroy the guard house....good luck with your mission

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If there is anything there at that place and you enter it with rifles and guns you will be death or in prison before you know it and every one you talk into comming with you.
Remember that UFO dude from the UK garry?, see in how much trouble he is.

And for some reason i have the feeling these are the type of posts that this new obama disinfo team would make to see who is up for some action.
Bait ? or just not thinking straight ?

[edit on 18-1-2010 by jaamaan]

Hi, thank you for the responses and insight, i have taken what you guys have taken on board, this is not a concrete going to do in on a certain date plan, but with strong intentions on my mind thats all, thats why i wanted the opinions of guys on here who can provide informative insight and opinions, and i can really make my mind up after that.

Originally posted by apollospeed
Hi, thank you for the responses and insight, i have taken what you guys have taken on board, this is not a concrete going to do in on a certain date plan, but with strong intentions on my mind thats all, thats why i wanted the opinions of guys on here who can provide informative insight and opinions, and i can really make my mind up after that.

en.wikipedia.org...

hmm, what are you going to do with your ak-47? i know for a fact you won't use it. if you did, are you going to shoot the government employee including the patrols? what did you think it's going to be like in the movies and you're the main character? are you prepared to shoot everyone in the facility and everyone the facility will call because you're on us government military installation killing military personnel? what? you think you're just going to shoot a couple and nobody would know about it? please, i bet you can't infiltrate wal-mart. go ahead and try, we'll just see you in handcuff on the local news the next day. naw, you won't make the news.

what is it with people and a gun thinking they are invincible. because i know you are incapable of harming anyone let alone kill, you'll just spend a good 10-25 years in prison for your.......ignorance, possession, trespassing and whatever else they can slap on you.

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I have not read your post in its entirety yet...but I wanted to briefly state that my husband and I went to area 51 several times when we lived in Utah and would drive to Vegas for my husband to gamble....
The first time we went, we drove down the road with the "white mailbox" and ended up where the sign that stated deadly force would be used was. My husband parked the car and went wandering in the desert, looking for the infamous instruments used to detect movement. He was only about 50 feet from the car when a spot-light shone on him. (he was not making a sound and it was PITCH BLACK....around midnight or so. After a few seconds, the spotlight turned off and then immediately shone on where I was sitting in the car. Those dude knew EXACTLY where we were and after a VERY weird and restless night sleeping in our tent beside that very same road, (I could tell you MORE about that weird night...), we decided to explre and were IMMEDIATELY found and followed by two dudes wearing uniforms in an SUV with very nasty guns. They followed us to a certain point, always staying behind us, but letting us know they were there....my point being that there IS equipment out there that can track your movements......

NOW I will read your post and probably feel like a fool because I didn't read before I posted......

Breaching one of the most secretive and guarded places in the whole of America, Good Luck!

It’s a nice idea but im sure you haven’t heard about many other attempts for a very very good reason.

ok...so I read your post and other replies..and I agree..you would not make it ANYWHERE with guns, (in MY opinion...you would not make it past the sign very far). I ALSO agree that there are larger fish to catch in regard to "secret government bases".....Sure, Area 51 was a fun diversion for my husband and I when we lived in the West, but other than weird lights in the sky that moved...and crazy "dreams", (I don't think we were dreaming really) when we would pitch a tent in the area, we saw nothing of any importance. As for the lights in the sky.....we called them "twinklers" as they had a weird shimmer quality to them that made them look COMPLETELY different than stars in a dark, Western sky.....we now see them everywhere...ESPECIALLY at the borders of American soil...we saw tons in Toronto (or when we were traveling there, anyways)...I even saw one last night on our drive back from the Vikings play-off game in MN to our home in Chicago...they are NOW an everyday occurrence....but in 1999..early 2000....we saw them only at area 51 and the surrounding sky.....so..what this makes ME think is that there are NO "aliens" at Area 51, but that that area is used to test secret military planes, etc....

[edit on 1/18/2010 by Cornczech]

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Well, first of all, I was a Spec Ops for some years, so I know some stuff about what you're planning.

Assuming that you're really going on with this, let me give you some light:

i myself have have strongly very thought about grabbing my ak-47

Wrong. You have to think what will happen if you get caught. In the military, that means not having anything that you can't afford lose. In this case, is anything that can justify them to kill you by simply knowing you're armed. Don't make yourself a even higher threat by arming yourself.

1.) once past the first lot of signs how far to the actual permiter fence in distance?

Any fense that they have, will provably have breach detectors. Anyway, you have to think at least 1 mile before any sign, that's where the passive detectors are. They know when you are facing those signs, so you have to study how to even get there without them knowing about it. If you manage that, you just need to make sure they don't detect you.

2.) what would be likley to encounter on ground, say every 400-800m, once we get past the first lot of signs?

Heat monitors, vibrations detectors, cameras, wires, possibly some deadly devices like mines and whatnot.

If you trigger one of those, you're dead. They do have snipers full-time, and if there are not snipers full-time, they are ready on the first alarm fired.

Those sheriff trucks that you see, are just the visual warning. You provably already have a cross on your head when they warn you.

Remind yourself that a sniper can easily kill you in a 1000/1500m range. and they have trained eyes.

3.) the desired crew, an experienced rally trained driver,

simply forget about the "rush and photo" thing. You can't do it like that. That just triggers an heavy security response to your location, you'll die in seconds.

A vehicle is not an option. Too much noise, dust, heat, and trails. You'll get detected in seconds, miles away.

This type of "mission" is an infiltration one. It's not a thing of seconds, nor minutes, nor hours. It can take days or weeks.

You have to cammo yourself, and you have to move like you're part of the background, and make sure you don't have a presence that can't be noticed while looking at it, but will be noticed when its not there anymore. (a bush doesn't go to get some coffe)

4.) i would very much like to be a part of this mission

Again, if you want to do this... This is a covert operation. Not a war. If you want to get something out of it, try to get in undetected, gather your info, and get out. If they don't know you're there, they won't go and search for you.

From the time you get detected, you're a threat. And EVEN if you can get away from them, they will hunt you like wild dogs. You will never get anything out.

5.) possible vehicle choice and desired speed?,

The most mundane and simple vehicle you can find. And something you can leave behind.

If you want my advice, just use a vehicle to get around 10 to 15 miles close to Area 51. after that, walk (IN THE NIGHT) or crawl.

6.) the best road for straightness, for maximum speed once we get past the signs to take us to the fence, then we hope to smash through?

AVOID ALL KNOW ROUTES. A vehicle needs to use a road, so they monitor those. But a person by foot can go anywhere, thus, you're chance of finding a better entry point is much higher. You don't see snipers using vehicles while doing a recon op.

8.) regarding security, best of a night or daytime?, or does it matter?, of a night we dont have to use headlghts and use infra-red technology?

By night, for obvious reasons. Although they have detectors that don't depend on light, and they have night detectors, you have a better chance in the night.

DON'T USE INFRA-RED TECHNOLOGY! They provably have infra-red detectors, and even if pass one of those, they provably use nightvision cameras/goggles. Those can pick IR beams from MILEs away. That's an instant give away.

Buy military gear, NV goggles and whatnot. Those are made for stealth.

9.) we would very much like to either stream this attempt live on here or somewhere else on the web incase we were not to make it back?

Don't. That's an instant give away. They monitor those things, and if you're transmitting what you are doing so everyone here knows, so do they.

But mostly, you're failing already by stating your plans in here. This is something that you do plan in secret.

[edit on 18/1/10 by Tifozi]

The red and white signs clearly instruct any unauthorized persons entering any military area will result in deadly force.

Having been in the Air Force and jacked up myself by a security breach in a secure nuclear storage weapons facility, (not my fault) I can assure you that you will disappear or end up at the coroners office.

Dumb idea. Sorry OP.