ae911truth gets its 1000 petitioner

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by Jedi411

 

I hate to say it but I think you're right.

Who would want to have to report findings that prove the official story to be a complete fabrication?

What professional is willing to risk their career with that?
That is why most are silent, not because they believe the official story, but because they fear the consequences.

IF it was REAL proof there's NO RISK is there, so 1000 out of MANY TENS OF THOUSANDS world wide says a lot

Speak to plenty of engineers and any time CD is mentioned they laugh at it!

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
I wonder what the 1000th signatory does for a job.

The last guy I picked at random from the petition didn't actually have one. And the one before that had only ever built one structure. From hay bales. The one before that was a kitchen designer.

Perhaps the thousandth petitioner was the engineering professional who did Richard Gage's curtains.

Yes and I wonder how many of them like Jones believed Jesus had visited America

Plus the simple FACT architects DONT get involved with STRUCTURAL CALCULATIONS

Originally posted by wmd_2008
Plus the simple FACT architects DONT get involved with STRUCTURAL CALCULATIONS

False. Architects take the same classes as structural engineers do in undergrad structural engineering. Just structural engineers go further in their education on this particular subject, while architects are far more diverse.

A structural engineer has to take 2 exams to be considered an SE. An architect has to take 9 exams before they are called an AIA.

Now, who has more overall knowledge?

Also, a structural engineer knows statics. When considering a building collapsing, you need to be an expert in mechanics and dynamics. Which is a mechanical engineer's specialty.

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Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by wmd_2008
Plus the simple FACT architects DONT get involved with STRUCTURAL CALCULATIONS

False. Architects take the same classes as structural engineers do. Just structural engineers go further in their education on this particular subject, while architects are far more diverse.

A structural engineer has to take 2 exams to be considered an SE. An architect has to take 9 exams before they are called an AIA.

Now, who has more knowledge?

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Nutter]

Architects do take structural classes, yes, but on the projects I've worked on they've always deferred to the structural engineer because they only have a basic working knowledge.

It's like saying that a doctor knows more molecular biology than a molecular biologist. The doctor will have studied some biology so will probably know more than the average. And he or she will have been in college for longer - so will have more "knowledge" per se. But that doesn't make his or her opinion as valid as the specialist.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by TrickoftheShade]

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by wmd_2008
Plus the simple FACT architects DONT get involved with STRUCTURAL CALCULATIONS

Architects do take structural classes, yes,

Thanks for agreeing with me since the statement was that architects don't do ANY structural calculations. It wasn't who is the specialist.

but on the projects I've worked on they've always deferred to the structural engineer because they only have a basic working knowledge.

Because the structual engineer has the liability. An architect can do the structural calculations if they want to, but if something should happen, they'd be screwed. Doesn't mean that they don't do ANY structural calculations.

It's like saying that a doctor knows more molecular biology than a molecular biologist. The doctor will have studied some biology so will probably know more than the average. And he or she will have been in college for longer - so will have more "knowledge" per se. But that doesn't make his or her opinion as valid as the specialist.

When did I say an architect "knows more" than a structural engineer? Please re-read the post I was commenting on and use your reading comprehension to determine that I was just saying that architects do indeed perform structural calculations.

Originally posted by Nutter
I was just saying that architects do indeed perform structural calculations.

Despite this, none have done that to support their opinion that 9/11 was an inside job.

I'm sure that this is NOT an area of concern for you, for you will accept their opinions - like the dolt that stated that the collapses started from the bottom, and Charles Pegelow, who stated they were brought down by nukes - with absolutely zero skepticism at all, since they agree with your own personal incredulity/delusions.

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by wmd_2008
Plus the simple FACT architects DONT get involved with STRUCTURAL CALCULATIONS

Architects do take structural classes, yes,

Thanks for agreeing with me since the statement was that architects don't do ANY structural calculations. It wasn't who is the specialist.

but on the projects I've worked on they've always deferred to the structural engineer because they only have a basic working knowledge.

Because the structual engineer has the liability. An architect can do the structural calculations if they want to, but if something should happen, they'd be screwed. Doesn't mean that they don't do ANY structural calculations.

It's like saying that a doctor knows more molecular biology than a molecular biologist. The doctor will have studied some biology so will probably know more than the average. And he or she will have been in college for longer - so will have more "knowledge" per se. But that doesn't make his or her opinion as valid as the specialist.

When did I say an architect "knows more" than a structural engineer? Please re-read the post I was commenting on and use your reading comprehension to determine that I was just saying that architects do indeed perform structural calculations.

Chill out, it's no big deal.

I've never seen an architect do any but the most basic structural calculations, although I imagine they'd be able to if pressed and given time.

You asked - rhetorically, I imagine - who has more knowledge (although you've since edited it to "more overall knowledge")

To evidence your opinion that it's the architect you cited the number of exams they take. But since those exams are mostly in subjects other than structural engineering it seems likely that a structural engineer would have more specific knowledge of his field. Otherwise why would such a specialism exist?

A small point - it seems unfair to criticise my comprehension when you've returned to edit, presumably to make clearer what you actually meant.

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
since they agree with your own personal incredulity/delusions.

And you know my own personal incredulity/delusions? And whom is the one who is delusional?

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
A small point - it seems unfair to criticise my comprehension when you've returned to edit, presumably to make clearer what you actually meant.

I wish there was a timestamp on edits just so you could see that I edited that before you even posted (or while you were posting). But, believe what you want. I'm sick of arguing with the fundamentalists on here.

And again, I'll state that I was not saying that the architect has more knowledge than a structural engineer in structural engineering. Only that the architect does indeed know structural calculations and how to perform them. Also the architect is more broad based in knowledge than in just structural engineering which makes them more knowledgable overall.

Let me put it another way.

An architect knows and has taken structural engineering (which is the point that I was refuting....not who is the specialist).

A structural engineer does not know nor has taken all the classes an architect has to.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Nutter]

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
A small point - it seems unfair to criticise my comprehension when you've returned to edit, presumably to make clearer what you actually meant.

I wish there was a timestamp on edits just so you could see that I edited that before you even posted (or while you were posting). But, believe what you want. I'm sick of arguing with the fundamentalists on here.

Calm down. The point is that I didn't see it, and the fact that you went back to edit for clarity suggests it might not have been, well, clear. Not that I'm accusing you of being deceptive. Seriously, it's no big deal.

And again, I'll state that I was not saying that the architect has more knowledge than a structural engineer in structural engineering. Only that the architect does indeed know structural calculations and how to perform them. Also the architect is more broad based in knowledge than in just structural engineering which makes them more knowledgable overall.

Let me put it another way.

An architect knows and has taken structural engineering (which is the point that I was refuting....not who is the specialist).

A structural engineer does not know nor has taken all the classes an architect has to.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Nutter]

Okay, fine.

reply to post by TrickoftheShade


Me chill out or calm down?

All I did was refute someone saying that architects don't do structural calculations. Only to have 2 fundamentalists jump down my throat and try to find anything and everything they can to discredit what I said. If anything, I think you and Joey are the ones who need to calm down.



[edit on 21-7-2010 by Nutter]

reply to post by Nutter


Yeah, you come off so relaxed.

Anyway, you're correct in the literal sense, but he clearly meant that the structural engineer does the calculations in projects like this, and that an SE will usually have more relevant experience of the kind of thing under discussion. This remains the case.

On that basis it was really you that jumped down his throat.

reply to post by TrickoftheShade


And you guys come off even more relaxed than me.

I came into a thread just to refute that architects don't do structural calculations. I have shown that they do (and you even agreed with me).

I did not state that architects have more knowledge in Se than the Se's have. My edit withstanding.

I did not even state what I believe in when it comes to 9/11.

It is like you guys have a list of your friends/co-government workers/idols that you will agree with no matter what and anyone else is fair game. If I had been Ryan Mackey (who is NOT a structural engineer BTW) saying the same thing (that architects do indeed do structural calculations) then you guys would be drooling over my awesomeness.

BTW. I am a PE (professional engineer) and I've worked for architects. And I know for a fact that they know a hell of alot more than engineers give them credit for. I also know for a fact that architects do indeed do some structural calculations for projects. My boss (an AIA) was one of them.

So. Chill out? No. Not when someone is putting out false information. Thank you very much.

The funny thing about it is: Joey comes on and now you have stars for your posts....even though I have shown you both for what you are. Fundamentalists.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Nutter]

Originally posted by Nutter

And you know my own personal incredulity/delusions?

Yep.

You believe that 9/11 was an inside job. That's delusional.

You don't believe that the towers could have collapsed from plane impacts and fire.That belief is based on incredulity.

It's a fact that none of the AE architects have delivered any papers that support their statements, yet you defend them as an appeal to authority. That's delusional and fallacious.

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
You believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

Please point out where I have stated this.

You don't believe that the towers could have collapsed from plane impacts and fire.

Please point out where I have stated this.

It's a fact that none of the AE architects have delivered any papers that support their statements, yet you defend them as an appeal to authority. That's delusional and fallacious.

Wow. I say that an architect has and does perform structural calculations and somehow I am now supporting AE911truth? Who's delusional again?

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Nutter]

reply to post by Nutter



This thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You're looking for alternative explanations for the collapse, means you don't believe that the plane impacts and fire can bring down the towers. Incredulity proven.

You admit you're a truther in that first post. Delusional proven.


that took all of about 10 seconds.

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
You're looking for alternative explanations for the collapse, means you don't believe that the plane impacts and fire can bring down the towers. Incredulity proven.

Ah, I see. So posting a discussion is posting my stance? Again. delusional.

You admit you're a truther in that first post. Delusional proven.

So, if I also say we "debunkers" does that make me now a fundamentalist? Again. Delusional.

that took all of about 10 seconds.

So do the synapses in your brain.

reply to post by Joey Canoli


You also missed where I stated that a natural thermite type reaction equals an inside job.

Those synapses taking too long again?

Originally posted by Nutter
reply to post by TrickoftheShade

 

And you guys come off even more relaxed than me.

I came into a thread just to refute that architects don't do structural calculations. I have shown that they do (and you even agreed with me).

I did not state that architects have more knowledge in Se than the Se's have. My edit withstanding.

I did not even state what I believe in when it comes to 9/11.

It is like you guys have a list of your friends/co-government workers/idols that you will agree with no matter what and anyone else is fair game. If I had been Ryan Mackey (who is NOT a structural engineer BTW) saying the same thing (that architects do indeed do structural calculations) then you guys would be drooling over my awesomeness.

BTW. I am a PE (professional engineer) and I've worked for architects. And I know for a fact that they know a hell of alot more than engineers give them credit for. I also know for a fact that architects do indeed do some structural calculations for projects. My boss (an AIA) was one of them.

So. Chill out? No. Not when someone is putting out false information. Thank you very much.

The funny thing about it is: Joey comes on and now you have stars for your posts....even though I have shown you both for what you are. Fundamentalists.

[edit on 21-7-2010 by Nutter]

Whatever. It's really no big deal.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
Whatever. It's really no big deal.

Right. It really wasn't. But the big deal for all to see is how people in this particular forum act.

Just because someone percieves someone else as a "truther" nothing they say is correct. Which is the definition of fundamentalism.