What would Obama have to do in order for you to think he was a good president?

Originally posted by enca78
A saint wouldnt be good enough for some people because they spend most of their lives complaining and twisting and its always easier to pass the buck. Obama isnt a bad president, its the crap that he was left with to start thats the problem

Thats bull # people complain because they have good reason to do so. You think Barack is a good president because you havn't seen a good president in your life that hasn't been shot.

You can't compare good or bad because politics in our day and age frankly even here in belgium SUCKS. These guys don't get anything done, they just talk talk talk talk sit in chairs sleep in meetings and promise stuff.

Truth is politics is just BS

What would he have to do? Probably piss off the other 50% of Americans. Seriously, REAL change (for the betterment of the whole) requires sacrifice. Sacrifice generally leaves people feeling jaded (in the moment). So, when he has achieved that stature, then he will most likely have followed through on his promise...and then a great (not good) president....once the smoke clears and the naysayers get over it that is.

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I am a Progressive Democrat and I am quite p1ssed off by what Obama is doing. There are 5 things for him to do to win me back in support of him.
1. Do not send more troops to Afghanist, bring them home.
2. Cut the military budget by atleast $300,000,000,000.
3. Do not sign health care legislation that gives any extra money to insurance companies. Hand healthcare over to the states and force states to make their own form of universal healthcare and encourage states to make their own government run healthcare option.
4. Scrap the Patriot Act immediately.
5. Use bilateralism to handle all current military engagements and possible future engagements.

reply to post by Misoir


Some good ideas but ones that cannot be achieved at a drop of a dime:

1. Pulling out of the engagements we are currently in. What about the other nations that are there? Are we to leave them high and dry for their commitment? Its not just that easy to pull out. There are many other nations involved and with a NATO commitment, we have to honor that treaty by being involved. I would like to see us leave, but a pack up and leave isn't going to happen.

2. Cutting the military budget. I agree it could be reduced, but the amount you proposed during a recession and high unemployment, where will you put all the troops that are and will be part of a reduction of force? This would just add to the growing unemployment and further deepen domestic problems for President Obama.

reply to post by Someone336


I actually starred a socialist comment. I really must be slipping.

The only thing I can think of for obama to do in order to make me think he's a good president is to resign.
Yes, I know, who would replace him but that's another topic.

He is absolutely the worse thing to ever hit the white house ....

This commie/socialist/whatever has zero morals and is an enemy to the constitution.

I hope America will be able to recover from
obamanism

reply to post by endisnighe


Well, as I've pointed out on the boards before, the socialism I believe in isn't the nanny-state kind that is popular in modern consciousness. I don't see why the majority of what I believe, aside from a few points, can't co-exist with what any other freedom-loving person believes. We can all be friends here.

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reply to post by Someone336


I am working on a huge thread, I am going to try to keep it under two posts. I am allowed 10,000 words at my level per post.

It will show the correlation of the freedoms that both sides want.

It is kind of at the outline stage and I am starting to write the forward and it is getting way to damn long.

I am just trying to point out that both sides still want the freedoms component but see different routes to get there.

I still feel the existing infrastructure of the Constitution and the breakdown of the division of powers between the Federal Government and the States would allow the states to go their own way in the framework of social and capitalisitic issues.

I mainly feel the Federal government mandating anything outside its charter, has and will cause the fracturing of this experiment put forth by our forefathers. States in the framework of the Constitution, are allowed to develop their own forms of governance. The only thing required is that they follow the Representative Republic format of governance. That does not stop them from forming any type of social or economic format they so choose.

That being said, I would love to move to a state that goes back to the beginning of the experiment and I am sure numerous others feel the same. And many others would like to try other formats. This is what is so great about the ideas set forth in our form of government.

It is just the control freaks that have always existed in the human species, does not want us to succeed.

God Bless and Peace.

Since ATS is a hotbed of conservative right wing ideology, I'm surprised no-one has said, drop dead.

reply to post by endisnighe


Sounds like an awesome post, definitely looking forward to reading it!

Is it always the control freaks, isn't it? Leave it to human nature to mess good things up.

By the way, I always enjoy reading your posts, even though I don't always agree with them, because of how in depth and well thought out they are. Have you ever considered writing for a website or blog or magazine?

reply to post by Someone336


Actually yes I have. I was once asked to try out for a position at a radio station from a friend that was a DJ for a local station.

At that time I was running my own business so I never pursued it.

Now, I actually have sent out a couple of resumes for positions that you mention. Of course my only examples I have to offer, are quite conservative viewpoints. I may add the current one I am working on, to any future resumes.

Of course I am quite emotional when it comes to my positions and may have to try and curb that. Maybe try to be more subjective then so objective in my writing.

Originally posted by Someone336
reply to post by endisnighe

 

Well, as I've pointed out on the boards before, the socialism I believe in isn't the nanny-state kind that is popular in modern consciousness. I don't see why the majority of what I believe, aside from a few points, can't co-exist with what any other freedom-loving person believes. We can all be friends here.

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In reality, the difference in ideology should not result in hatred for each other.

I'm willing to bet a 16 CPU 32 GB server that my buddy, ?????????? and I could meet, do business, even socialize, and he would never in a million years relate me to Ziggy Strange. I could not spot him either, least I don't think so.

If you have ever been in a trench, or firefight, the last thing you think of is the next guy's politics, all you care about is the uniform.

There are nasties here on both sides, and the middle. But for the most part I doubt I will ever have to fire a shot at anyone I have debated here, save for a couple of "people" I truly have no use for. I admit it, I wish I could have been in WWII. I still want "them" judiciously done away with.

I hang out with a guy that I debated on another forum, where the vitriol was even nastier than here. That's how we met. Now we listen to jazz together and call each other every couple of weeks. We still disagree.

I'll tell you what would make me happy.

Being able to look at D.C. and not say to myself. Oh #.

We just disagree as to how we get to that.

So there it is,

Cease fire.

We are all brothers, I would fight for you if you needed my help.

Anyone that disagrees with me can..

Now who wants to fight?


Ziggy Strange

My perception of Obama.

He is methodically dealing with one thing at a time. To me he seems to be trying to stabilize.

That doesn't necessarily mean he is trying to stabilize the US as a country. It could mean he is stabilizing for a global government.

However - - one thing I have learned in my many years is:

IF YOU FOCUS ON POSITIVE - YOU WILL FIND POSITIVE

IF YOU FOCUS ON NEGATIVE - YOU WILL FIND NEGATIVE

Those who only see fault with Obama - - will never see any good he does.

Anti threads are a waste of time.

reply to post by ziggystrange


Great post, Ziggy! It's exactly as Voltaire said... I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

I'll tell you what would make me happy.

Being able to look at D.C. and not say to myself. Oh #.

We just disagree as to how we get to that.

That right there pretty much sums up what I'm sure every person on this forum feels.

Well,

1. ELIMINATE our deficit. Stop spending money when we already are in debt. That doesn't seem like such a hard concept.
2. DO NOT force me to have or buy something that I don't want, because that is completely against what it means to be FREE and AMERICAN.
3. Follow the constitution, like he was SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT to do. Show me in the constitution where it gives him the power to appoint czars, force health care down my throat, and bailing out poorly managed banks and corporations.
4. NEVER cap the amount of money people can earn. How the hell can you tell me how much myself and companies can earn? Thats ridiculous!
5. Follow your campaign promises, you liar.
6. Do not increase my taxes. Where the hell is this money going? I don't see my life, liberty, OR pursuit of happiness in any better shape, so STOP TAXING ME FOR NO REASON.
7. Kick out the 80+ people in your administration who owe taxes. You have no place in government if you can't even be responsible in paying your own taxes. And you want to raise MY taxes?
8. Pull our troops out of places WE DON'T BELONG. How can you go to war with Al Qada and not declare it? That's not war in my opinion - that's imperialism. Our military is the world police.
9. Show me you can speak WITHOUT a teleprompter.

Most of the other many things fall under number 3. I will say, our last president was not any better.

reply to post by endisnighe

Of course I am quite emotional when it comes to my positions and may have to try and curb that. Maybe try to be more subjective then so objective in my writing.

Honestly, I've always enjoyed when journalists or writers reveal their emotions. It's always made the piece more gripping in a way.

But yeah, based on your posts, I would say you definitely find a way to get your ideas to a wider audience. I'm not saying anything bad about ATS, though. Best audience there is!


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reply to post by thenothingorchid

-End the Fed. (and federal income taxes)

-End the wars.

-End the welfare state.

-Secure our borders.

-Ditch the UN.

-Legalize all drugs.

-End the Patriot act.

That would be a good first day, and on track to getting some approval from me.

The easiest way to judge a politicain is to see if they keep their promises,



need I say more?

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The only thing he took to the bank was the peoples money.

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reply to post by thenothingorchid


That is an easy one. Please follow through on your promises you made before you became president. Mr. Obama is breaking his promises.

Originally posted by Illuminated_1
reply to post by thenothingorchid

 

That is an easy one. Please follow through on your promises you made before you became president. Mr. Obama is breaking his promises.

Which president or any politician has followed through on their campaign promises?

After election? Especially in less then a year.

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