The cold truth about alien abductions and the new age.

While I agree Moonman1111, that SOME of the aliens out there have a negative agenda, as soon as you bought up god and Jesus Christ you lost any support from me Also your Imperium of Man like view of "kill them all" for the aliens just disgusts me. While yes, we should always have the power to protect ourselves from negative entities and the means to project that power outwards offensively if need be, you just take it too damn far!


WHY are you so afraid of the unknown? I would definitely love the chance to meet and greet alien visitors some day and live together in PEACE....but maybe with some kind of mutual defensive pact if need be. Just because some being is a big mantis or lizard does not mean they are all out to get you.

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Yep! I think it is that simple.

More evolved life form - examining less evolved life form.

Originally posted by johnthejedi24
While I agree Moonman1111, that SOME of the aliens out there have a negative agenda, as soon as you bought up god and Jesus Christ you lost any support from me

Also your Imperium of Man like view of "kill them all" for the aliens just disgusts me. While yes, we should always have the power to protect ourselves from negative entities and the means to project that power outwards offensively if need be, you just take it too damn far!


WHY are you so afraid of the unknown? I would definitely love the chance to meet and greet alien visitors some day and live together in PEACE....but maybe with some kind of mutual defensive pact if need be. Just because some being is a big mantis or lizard does not mean they are all out to get you.

Actually, you have to worry more about the humanoid ET's and the hybrids than you do any other species. As those are the ones who can 'walk in' without attracting attention. Also, what you want and the truth are two different things when it comes to ET's.

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by andre18

 

prove there arent aliens or ufo's!! when you are able to do this let me know! with that being said as your not a believer why engage in conversation about them? because at the end of the day you cant prove no more then a believer can!

As they old saying goes, stupid is as stupid says lol.

I dont have to prove anything, it is up to the person claiming the subject that has to prove it. Simple common sense. Otherwise you'd have to disprove my imaginary friend...as you can tell the evidence is on the claimer.

Now, because i just raised your IQ, please take what i've said give it some thought and come back with a better response then 'prove god didnt do it.

I engage in this sort of debate because i have an interest in why you people believe what you do. AT the end of the day it's up to the believer to prove he's position.

[edit on 18-1-2010 by andre18]

Originally posted by SmokeJaguar67
reply to post by metalholic

 

Hello metalholic, Look through the thread and see that people like you have patiently tried and failed to be a voice of reason and to explain exactly what you have tried to explain but the OP is not listening.

His head is so filled with religion; he has twisted its true meaning and lost all sense of reason and objectivity.

It might be best to let him rattle off his close minded rhetoric while those with an open mind and those of us who are tired of death through ignorance look for another way that does not involve causing pain to others because of ignorance warped into blackness by fanatical religious faith.

Just thought I would say this to save you wasting your time upon his mind, he is deaf to reason and lost to ignorance and religious zeal!

Or he is just trolling – I hope it is the latter!

If I may say so, but you say I lack logic and reason? You made a post on another website where you remarked something along the lines of "I'm sick of the ignorance on earth, take me home earth sucks". Do you think you are a reincarnated alien? Do you think you're more alien than human? And if so, who or what group has been pushing that sh1t on you? Or are you so tired of the wickedness and evil on earth that you would look to space for some kind of companionship or messiah from the same entities that feed off of misery and evil? Because you will not find one benevolent being inside a UFO.

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by JackHill

 

maybe there is a divine being an alien ofcourse who came to this earth with other aleins of his kind looking much like humans but with there own differences ofcourse making us with there image using clay of the earth and there dna we arrived and by using there dna to help create us we acquired some of this divine energy that the greys d not have as they are not linked to the divine spirit as they evolved from another planet and species they come here and make hybrids hoping that the hybrids would acquire some of this divine energy or whatever it is because they do not have it i could go on but i'm gonna leave it at that for now!

No such thing as a divine alien being lol. There is the creator, and then there are creations. He who made the universe and everything in it does not need a UFO to get around. But the aliens who do look like us did come down here before, they #ed our women, made some nasty hybrids, and God gave them the water treatment.


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[edit on 18-1-2010 by Moonman1111]

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Originally posted by Moonman1111
If I may say so, but you say I lack logic and reason?

Yes I do and I say you lack empathy and are quite devoid of an open mind too and you also leave no room for the chance that not all ET's mean our death.

Originally posted by Moonman1111
You made a post on another website where you remarked something along the lines of "I'm sick of the ignorance on earth, take me home earth sucks". Do you think you are a reincarnated alien?

I know the post yes and I thank you for deeming me worthy of cyber stalking but really, no need to go so far as to check me out online – ask me and I will tell you whatever you wish to know, I have nothing to hide.

For future reference, if you must quote a person for things said elsewhere it would help your case to firstly understand where they are coming from and secondly, to capture the correct context.

Anyway I am sorry to burst your bubble on doing your amateur sleuthing because there is a glaring fact you failed to digest when you thought you had dredged up some dirt on me.

What I posted my sleuthing friend was posted tooth-in-mouth, a grim irony and as a personal jab from me, an acknowledgment to the disgust I hold for people who are too quick to kill something because they do not understand it and have no wish to try and understand it – people such as you I am sad to say.

As to being a reincarnated alien? Personally I think not but of course I would love it if I was because like I said, I was being ironic and posting with a deeper mindset devoid of the malice that can become synonymous of those who believe that all truth can only be gained from an ancient book. My mindset in what I wrote is something you will not understand as you are a religious peace loving Christian and “If it ain’t god it ain’t right”, right?

Also though I am honoured that you went to the trouble but what I post in another website has no relevance whatsoever to this post, this thread and this discussion with you. For you to bring it up into this discussion is a prime indication of your lack of maturity, good sense and shows that people like you (religious intolerants) when finding themselves in the gutter they always start expelling sewage.

Full marks for not surprising me and it seems that I have pushed your buttons. If pushing those buttons gets you to open your mind a little more then perhaps I did you a favour.

Originally posted by Moonman1111
Do you think you're more alien than human?

It is a nice thought but like I have already said unfortunately no, I am sad to confirm that I am as human as you but ironically this atheist is much more peace loving and tolerant that you the religious war monger? – Quite sad really and in calling you a war monger I am calling it as I see it not because I want to see you throwing a fit.

Originally posted by Moonman1111
And if so, who or what group has been pushing that sh1t on you?

Are you serious?

Tony Blair the blood soaked one even said in regards to the war in Iraq “God will judge me”. I believe a former president who dragged us all into a bloody age of war was also a god fearing man too yes? These men are part of a religious group that knows much of war and genocide and lying to gain geopolitical influence, using the name of Christ as a means to an end.

I have nothing but respect for true Christians but a true Christian in my mind does not advocate war while his lackeys sex up intelligence dossiers to allow the case for war to be more expedient. Such a shame that since the romans times this religion you love so much has been subverted so hard and so completly as a means to wage total war, to bring about savage genocide.

So, one particular religious group has definitely been pushing much sewage on me because their agents tax me and rule me. Can you guess how and why or will you just scan this post like you have done all the others and simply pick out only that which helps you to find a suitable retort?

My case rests your honour.

Originally posted by Moonman1111Or are you so tired of the wickedness and evil on earth that you would look to space for some kind of companionship or messiah from the same entities that feed off of misery and evil?

I am so tired of the wickedness on earth that I think we are now past the point of no return and the end destination is going to be a great age of bloodshed. The only hope I have now is to look towards the stars and hope that there is a people out there that is not only looking at us with a view to help but that when they come the people who are saved are those who did not fall hook line and sinker into believing in some god that allows such agony to be heaped upon the very people he is purported to love.

Religion (of all faiths) has been a cause of great misery and your words are a great indicator to what can go wrong when a person throws all that they are into a religious book. It is that reason I have not slapped you on ignore already because like watching a car wreck driven by a blind man or a plane crash flown by a man with no arms – both are great examples of why some people should not drive or fly – or try to meld religion and extraterrestrials into a singular reality.

I find your posts fascinating for all the wrong reasons.

It might be a bad idea to let those with your religious idea of love out into the heavens – you will give humanity a very bad name and bring bad juju down on those of us who just want to get to know our neighbours and not burn them for being “against (your) god”.

Originally posted by Moonman1111
Because you will not find one benevolent being inside a UFO.

Is there an echo? I think you have said this before but I get it, let’s move on.

I am sorry for being short with my posts to you but I gave up trying to have a serious discussion with you a while ago and am only responding to you now because I have some free time to kill and because you addressed me directly with nonsense about a post I made in some other site.

Was it a petition by the way? I think it was though I do not recall it in depth – seeing as you have been checking me out perhaps you can enlighten me?

Could you send me my facebook login details also; I seem to have lost them, heh





[edit on 18-1-2010 by SmokeJaguar67]

I'm amazed at your patience with this individual SmokeJaguar67. When i see someone so absorbed and unwavering in their opinions, refusing to even consider the speculation on the opposite end of the spectrum, who swims in contradictions and the occasional hypocritical remark, i would lose patience very quickly.

[edit on 19-1-2010 by FermiFlux]

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Thanks, I am a very patient individual by nature but only because I am of the opinion that we have enough persons ruling us who invest much energy on getting us to turn on each other like a pack of feral dogs, that I refuse to play their game and I am determined not to attack someone even though we might be worlds apart in many ways.

As it is I had actually given up on this thread and the OP because he seemed time after time unable to understand a differing opinion and I cannot spare the time on a mind that steadfastly refuses to consider a differing opinion. However almost by accident I drifted back like a voyeur to the scene of a crime to find that the OP had put some effort into checking me out.

The least I could do was to help him to understand what I had written in an online petition and why because he had failed to grasp my meaning even though I had thought I had been as clear as glass.

I came to this place, looking for clues or even answers to the many questions that I have and I know the last thing I came here to do was to attack those who had taken it upon themselves to come here looking for their own answers.

The only problem I have, and it is not a major one is to come across people who misguided through indoctrination feel a need to spew forth great myths and personal opinions under the guise of truth.

One thing I know is that all of us are in the dark and all of us are here looking for the truth to many questions that the mainstream media will never touch. Moonman1111 writes as if his religious book has the truth about extraterrestrials and that they are to be explained away as demons because his stance is subjective and in no way has any objectivity to it – hence my stance!

Other than that I have no problem with Moonman1111 other than I believe that he is inherently wrong in his belief about the extraterrestrial phenomena, and in confronting him I was confronting only what he were saying not him as a person. I imagine that on the whole he isa decent person and I am confronting only what he was saying in this thread.

Negativity brings negativity you see; I have little time for it because I work under the assumption I get only one life

[edit on 19-1-2010 by SmokeJaguar67]

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stupid is as stupid says huh well no one here has to prove nothin either so remember your point of views are just as much trash as anyone elses!

As subjective as the idea of good and evil may seem on a philosophical standpoint, such a duality may very well exist. There are those who wish to serve themselves over others, and those who serve themselves through others and by transcending the self to better service others.

The reason why most encounters that we have been recording tend to be of a threatening and regressive nature should be of no surprise to us. We as a society have systematically cultivated a mechanic sense of purposeless existence and have force-drilled this into "professional" minds. The little purpose we can find, we are given through the diluted and fundamentally transfigured belief institutions rampantly employed.

The experiences with the Greys could be a largely real physical/trans-dimensional phenomenon as much as they could be manifestations brought upon by an unconscious struggle within ourselves. A large portion of us could very likely be implanted, tracked, biologically processed, and surveyed like the meat-bags we believe ourselves to be. Just like we treat the lower animals--we are receiving this proportional treatment; except in a more covert fashion. Do you believe that cattle or other species being studied have any idea that every spectrum of their existence and the interactions involved are being observed?

There are accounts of benevolent contacts.. these, though hardly reputable, do exist. However, we cannot seek external help when there is infinite growth that is left unattended and possibly temporarily stunted. This personal irresponsibility is reflected in our constant yelp for physical or allegorical salvation.

The reasons why the number of such events such as UFO sightings and/or encounters are peaking right now are vast. Primarily, we are undergoing a paradigmatic transition that is beyond our ability to comprehend. Our collective mind will heed universal lessons that must be learned so that "evolution" can be attained. We have to face our greatest fears, submit to them, or be [relatively] doomed to represent them.

Originally posted by SmokeJaguar67
reply to post by Moonman1111

 

Originally posted by Moonman1111
If I may say so, but you say I lack logic and reason?

Yes I do and I say you lack empathy and are quite devoid of an open mind too and you also leave no room for the chance that not all ET's mean our death.

Originally posted by Moonman1111
You made a post on another website where you remarked something along the lines of "I'm sick of the ignorance on earth, take me home earth sucks". Do you think you are a reincarnated alien?

I know the post yes and I thank you for deeming me worthy of cyber stalking but really, no need to go so far as to check me out online – ask me and I will tell you whatever you wish to know, I have nothing to hide.

For future reference, if you must quote a person for things said elsewhere it would help your case to firstly understand where they are coming from and secondly, to capture the correct context.

Just a glaring piece of evidence this Moonman character can't decipher context, and whether something should be taken literally or symbolically. That being said, I wouldn't waste anymore time with this person. They are hard set in their beliefs and we all knew we would face the fear mongers. The truth is, Jesus said "love your neighbor" now I don't put much stock in the bible, however that's a good piece of advice. And a shoot first ask questions later attitude is a very primitive attitude for someone claiming we are an advanced civilization.

Moonguy there sounds more sure about aliens and their agendas than most of the people who have actual encounters. Spewing violent doctrine against a species whom are probably not making official contact precisely because we WILL deify them. If anything it says something about their character, we've shot at them, dissected them, and they still try to wipe the unpleasant memories of their procedures from the abductee's mind. These people, for the most part, have to undergo hypnosis to even know anything happened, short of something obvious like missing time.

Humans slaughter intelligent animals en mass, dolphins and whales being the most pertinent example in my mind. And we don't erase their memories, or use anesthetics while gutting them alive.

You yourself said the translation of the bible is most likely incorrect, so how can you be so sure that what you believe is truely your God's will? Who are you to say that his creation is evil. Take a larger sample group for your opinions on their intentions. Maybe you should look into Buddhism or something. It might mellow you out moonman. Then again one of the first requirements is rational thought and reasoning to decipher your OWN lessons from the texts.

I just cant grasp how someone can be so hypocritical, I mean, wasn't it your religion that burned thousands of people at the stake in the name of protecting ourselves from witches? Don't tell me you believe in magic too...still waiting on the official apology for that blunder by the way.

Basically humans are the trash of the galaxy- We never evolve when it comes to showing peace. There will always be humans who have a fault and will start war or chaos ect.

So if i were an alien..i would ofc take em away on my mothership and examine them,try to understand them..try to figure out why they are so hostile- We have raged war for thousands of years..That time isnt very much in outerspace cause time doesnt exist there. After so MANY years we should have evolved for the better.. But we have not. Aliens arent harming us,WE ARE--what are some few thousands of human"takeaway" compared to an entire history of war\rape\chaos made by ourselves.

If we dont get help in the next years 2 come. Someone should just erase tellus from humans. They are prolly trying 2 find a "few good men" to actually take us somewhere else to make a new race or humanity. Our hatred is 2 huge,we cant help ourselves..so somone must. If not..humans are LOST

Put your head down on a soft pillow, relax and close your eyes, fall to sleep gently and seek for answers through your third eye, you will know of your third eye when you see and experience wonderful things, beings, places, events, occurances, distortions, energy and a new tomorrow, enjoy what you see and feel the love its your way of healing you vibrational frequencies and wake up to a new tomorrow stronger than the previous fallen day. Here you will gather information unknowingly and better yourself, your spirit and love and you will no longer fear for anything more and understand no fear at all. You will be destined here for all different purpose's but just hold a thought and be open-minded you can worry and you will learn through anxiety that you can feel safe within, knowing that the end isnt tomorrow and you can live a full, long strong loving life til very old age and always stay at high vibrations as the negativity can no longer over-rule your soul as you are now awakened and fear nothing at all.

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Would you happen to be Phil Coeski who is obsessed with Orion?

www.blogger.com...
orionresearch.blogspot.com...

You are using his picture so I imagine you are him? If so anything you say for the most part can be disregarded and you've been programmed by them. Still I think you're a nice guy.

[edit on 23-3-2010 by Moonman1111]

Originally posted by Moonman1111 reply to post by SmokeJaguar67

 

Would you happen to be Phil Coeski who is obsessed with Orion? www.blogger.com... orionresearch.blogspot.com... You are using his picture so I imagine you are him? If so anything you say for the most part can be disregarded and you've been programmed by them. Still I think you're a nice guy. [edit on 23-3-2010 by Moonman1111]

Pure class and I have to say you did make me laugh when I read this.

I must inform you that firstly I have no idea who on earth this Phil Coeski is and secondly the face you see is my own face, a photo taken recently while playing with the built in camera of my laptop I had bought. I promise you I have not been programmed by those who are associated with Phil Coeski.

So you can start regarding what I say with again because like I said I am who you see and for the record I think you are a nice guy too even if you are a little too blinded by your good book for this atheists tastes.

I am a little depressed (not really) that you added me as a foe five minutes ago but to show I do not hold that against you I added you by way of retort – my friend.

Kind regards sir; you are ok in my alien loving book

Obviously they aren't that bad, afterall most of the time it seems they try to erase the memories for people of any painful or strange things that were done to them. Many people only remember there experiences because they choose to go through hypnosis. See, they aren't that bad.

If just a fraction of the abduction stories are true, we as a species are in deep doo doo.

IMO If someone, anyone enters into your home, much less your bedroom and takes you without your permission and performs very private exams upon your person without your permission and then messes with your brain/memory that is rape.

Pure and simple body and mind rape.

No, "they" are not here to save us, to help us ascend to enlighten us.

We are nothing more than lab rats to them.

To explore and exploit.

It's now up to millions of people claiming to have been abducted.

Not me, I have bad / inferior genes (thank god).

And I read on ATS some of these people want to be abducted

No thank you.

One of the most chilling books I have read on the subject is "The Threat" by David Jacobs.

In ancient English culture, the English "Kings" have always "seeded" many countryside "lasses" to carry on the royal line in a quiet, subversive manner. Seeding your enemy is a covert way of conquering (Hello, wake the frak up).

To truely conquer an enemy you engulf them, make them a part of you, like an ameoba.

Wake the frak up humanity.

But, I fear it is too late.

Now, read my ats name.

Not all of you reading this are of "Human Descent".


[edit on 25-3-2010 by ofhumandescent]

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
If just a fraction of the abduction stories are true, we as a species are in deep doo doo.

IMO If someone, anyone enters into your home, much less your bedroom and takes you without your permission and performs very private exams upon your person without your permission and then messes with your brain/memory that is rape.

Pure and simple body and mind rape.

No, "they" are not here to save us, to help us ascend to enlighten us.

We are nothing more than lab rats to them.

Do we really exploit and explore lab rats? Or do we try to learn from them?

How is it so far fetched to think we are the lower life form?

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We are the apple of God's eye. Never forget that.