Islam4UK Banned under Terror Laws.

Originally posted by blueorder
with the growth of Islam comes the growth in extremism- this is something which goes hand in hand, regardless of what the relativists say.

I think it fair to day that their isnt a growth in Islam, but there is growth in radical extremists who now have their focus aimed towards the US and the European nations instead of just Israel.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


All i can say is 'its about time' and anyone found to be in this group or any other group promoting terrorism will get 10 years!!

Originally posted by Muckster
Unless of course they are only staying here to destabilise the country with some twisted objective of taking over with Islamic rule... if that the case... then they should be tried for treason!

No, sorry. "They" stay in the UK because:

a) They are well off with welfare, housing, healthcare etc.
b) None of the hardline Muslim nations would want them around, even though they want the UK to be one. Clearly living in an hardline Islamic nation is only good if you are at the top and immune from the brutalisation of your "brothers".
c) They get a kick out of being anti-social. It turns them on. They want the limelight.

On topic... Good. I have a big problem with people like this and cannot understand why they are given a platform. I would not like free speech to be prevented, but there are norms of civilised behaviour.

Regards

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Ahh yes, you may say and think that they are dangerous nutjobs, out to destabilize the country and usher in Sharia law and turn Great Britain into an Islamic state.

But the problem lies in proving it

Not really... There are plenty of photos showing the group holding placards that say things like...

"Islam will dominate the world"
"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Shariah law for Britain"
"Anglican Soldiers go to hell"

That’s proof enough as far as I’m concerned... However, there have been members who have gone on to plan and commit acts of terror...

You might want to read...

news.bbc.co.uk...

Do we ban all political groups that we do not agree with? Or those we have a 'hunch' are out to destabilise us?

No... I never said ban them... I said try them for treason, much more serious!!

When someone is holding a placard above their head that has a message of hate then it is no longer a hunch...

If I see someone holding up a placard with the worlds "Blacks Out" then I can be pretty sure that they are racists.

Personally, I would treat them all the same... BNP, Islam4uk, Nation of Islam or any other idiotic group who thinks that their race, colour or particular brand of religion gives them the right to hate and commit violent acts against those that are different from themselves...

There must be a small deserted freezing cold island off the coast of Scotland where we can dump all these people (BNP, Islam4UK etc...)... Let them take care of each other?


I do understand what you are saying regarding freedom of speech... but we are not talking about a group who merely disagree with Government policy... we are talking about a group who advocate acts of violence to achieve the objective of turning Britain into an Islamic state.

Originally posted by Muckster
Personally, I would treat them all the same... BNP, Islam4uk, Nation of Islam or any other idiotic group who thinks that their race, colour or particular brand of religion gives them the right to hate and commit violent acts against those that are different from themselves...
There must be a small deserted freezing cold island off the coast of Scotland where we can dump all these people (BNP, Islam4UK etc...)... Let them take care of each other?

Exactly.... I totally agree mate.
Those groups may be at odds with each other and absolutely despise each other... but they are both extremist, hateful and truly Un-British in their thinking.

Both groups should be deported and left to go at each other toe to toe.

Both disgusting and vile groups of human beings, on the same spectrum of hatred.







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No, I disagree. That is the beginning of the end of free speech. There is a difference between groups like the BNP and radical Islamists who support terrorism - either overtly, covertly or by association.

The BNP may carry a message that you don't like and they may be thuggish and blunt, but that is not a reason to ban. Whether we like it or not, their existence sparks debate and action, but at a political level and they do not support violence as a means to an end (do your research).

As a liberal society we must ensure there is freedom to espouse whatever view you want, unless it goes over the line of what is tolerably acceptable and supporting terrorism and giving succour to terrorists is not acceptable.

Regards

Originally posted by The_ArchangelI think it fair to day that their isnt a growth in Islam, but there is growth in radical extremists who now have their focus aimed towards the US and the European nations instead of just Israel.

not sure what you mean, there is a growth in Islam, just reference the increase in mosques over the last 10 years or check the upcoming census figures (estimates are released each year- this doesn't include illegals either)

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Glad you picked that one up!
I'll look for the stats but the demographic trend is for Asian communities - which are primarily Muslim to be growing due to a number of factors. For those of us who live/work in or near such communities, the evidence is there in front of our eyes.
Here is an article about growth in Europe
www.telegraph.co.uk...



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Originally posted by unicorn1

Glad you picked that one up!
I'll look for the stats but the demographic trend is for Asian communities - which are primarily Muslim to be growing due to a number of factors. For those of us who live/work in or near such communities, the evidence is there in front of our eyes.
Here is an article about growth in Europe
www.telegraph.co.uk...



[edit on 13-1-2010 by unicorn1]

Cheers, I am not sure if I misread what the previous poster was trying to say.

The growth in Islam over the last 15 years (in the west, specifically in my case, the UK) is incontrovertible- another reference point is the increase in the usage of the name of their prophet in many English towns/cities for boy's names


I notice this from your link

"But Karoly Lorant, a Hungarian economist who wrote a paper for the European Parliament, calculates that Muslims already make up 25 per cent of the population in Marseilles and Rotterdam, 20 per cent in Malmo, 15 per cent in Brussels and Birmingham and 10 per cent in London, Paris and Copenhagen."


I do not care how what I am about to say appears, but these figures are disgusting- shame on the European elite for allowing and encouraging this situation


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Yeah well..... I'm a militant Leftist, commie, socialist tree-hugger who has no time for intolerance.


So I say let them at each other.

I cannot stand Terrorists or groups which go out of their way to promote violence and hate in the UK, while living off handouts... so that's why i hate the BNP... oh yeah, and Islam4UK.

I Jest.... I jest.

But seriously, i despise both groups.


Obviously having links to extremist groups and radicals and connections with terrorists is a common theme in both groups... and the parallels are actually quite scary.

But anyway.... i don't really want them deported, i just think as they absolutely hate each other... let them sort it out....MANO A MANO (or perhaps Mano y Mano if they sort it out?) on a deserted island... because we don't want either of them here.

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by The_ArchangelI think it fair to day that their isnt a growth in Islam, but there is growth in radical extremists who now have their focus aimed towards the US and the European nations instead of just Israel.

not sure what you mean, there is a growth in Islam, just reference the increase in mosques over the last 10 years or check the upcoming census figures (estimates are released each year- this doesn't include illegals either)

Sorry, I think I got the wrong of the stick. I thought you meant globally, not just inside the UK border. If that is your point, then I agree. There has been a vast increase in foreign nationals coming into the UK and as a consequence of the mad hatter, British legal system there has been a numer of bad apples brought along for the ride which have led to radicalism, slavery, organised crime, prostitution, etc on the streets.

reply to post by The_Archangel


fair enough, we had crossed wires