The difference between the Christian God/religion and others

reply to post by aMason


ok fair on the jew thing...but the muslims do not think they are special like they are to god and this contradicts god and therefore is an example of how the gods are different...yes the trinity is referenced in the old testament..for example the word elohim is plural..and even got translated as "let us make man in our image"...im sure you may argue that is not what it means but there is no reason to assume otherwise..

many believe the angel of the lord in the OT is god coming as Jesus..the fact that god references himself and these things later happen to jesus..

Originally posted by resonance
reply to post by aMason

 

ok fair on the jew thing...but the muslims do not think they are special like they are to god and this contradicts god and therefore is an example of how the gods are different...yes the trinity is referenced in the old testament..for example the word elohim is plural..and even got translated as "let us make man in our image"...im sure you may argue that is not what it means but there is no reason to assume otherwise..

many believe the angel of the lord in the OT is god coming as Jesus..the fact that god references himself and these things later happen to jesus..

I have to strongly disagree with you saying the trinity is heavily referenced in the OT......the concept wouldnt have even made sense pre-NT. The Christian God must not think too highly of the Jews, as they will burn in Hell after their deaths according to the faith...

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well..seemingly he did not believe jesus to have died for his sins but investigated it..so i suppose yes he could be in hell...

i understand why you ask this..but our life here on earth is not about living a good life lol...the flesh is nothing compared to the spirit..

reply to post by aMason


no..the jews were special..they had certain rituals to perform to show their faith..before christ people did not just die and go to hell..

sheol (which is where we get the term hell..hell is not the lake of fire although that is the mainstream thought)...sheol was made of 2 sides separated by a bottomless chasm..which some think could be the bottomless pit..one side, abraham's bossom was a paradise for the good..and the other side was for the bad..

before christ yes lifestyle mattered...afterwards for the gentiles it does not..

and in the OT the trinity didnt need to be understood..they didnt need to know god would become man and so forth as part of their salvation..

Originally posted by resonance
reply to post by aMason

 

well..seemingly he did not believe jesus to have died for his sins but investigated it..so i suppose yes he could be in hell...

i understand why you ask this..but our life here on earth is not about living a good life lol...the flesh is nothing compared to the spirit..

Any religion to me which claims that a good man can be tortured eternally, and a not so good man who has faith can enter paradise is a little twisted...

Originally posted by resonance
reply to post by aMason

 

no..the jews were special..they had certain rituals to perform to show their faith..before christ people did not just die and go to hell..

sheol (which is where we get the term hell..hell is not the lake of fire although that is the mainstream thought)...sheol was made of 2 sides separated by a bottomless chasm..which some think could be the bottomless pit..one side, abraham's bossom was a paradise for the good..and the other side was for the bad..

before christ yes lifestyle mattered...afterwards for the gentiles it does not..

and in the OT the trinity didnt need to be understood..they didnt need to know god would become man and so forth as part of their salvation..

I get what you are saying about the trinity in the OT, I see how a case could be made for it, even though I disagree. And yes, the Jews were obviously special, but alas, that special status has ended because according to the faith Jews will brun in Hell eternally..........I guess your God doesnt feel they are so special now...

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it isnt about being a good man..while yes if you truly believe in christ and have the holy spirit it will convict you and you will not want to sin..not saying you wont..hell i do all the time ill admit..im in no way a "perfect little christian"...being a good person on earth to other people has nothing to do with eternity which is what its all about..

Originally posted by resonance
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it isnt about being a good man..while yes if you truly believe in christ and have the holy spirit it will convict you and you will not want to sin..not saying you wont..hell i do all the time ill admit..im in no way a "perfect little christian"...being a good person on earth to other people has nothing to do with eternity which is what its all about..

which is somewhat twisted.........Ghandi and other world peacekeepers in Hell.......Hitler claimed to be a Christian....could he be in Heaven? Or is he burning with the likes of Ghandi?

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no..the jews are pretty much on a pause during the church age..this is aparent in daniels 70 weeks prophecy..the jews are not in their covenant with god at this moment as they have forgotten him..the 7 year tribulation period is for the jews..to bring them back to god..it is the final 70th week..which is why the rapture is pre-trib..and no it is not an excuse to keep us out of the bad stuff..i wish i would be here during that time id like to try to help people cuz i know its gonna be bad..that just the kind of person i am..

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hitler was in no way a true christian..no true christian could do the things he did....

Originally posted by aMason

Originally posted by resonance
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well..seemingly he did not believe jesus to have died for his sins but investigated it..so i suppose yes he could be in hell...

i understand why you ask this..but our life here on earth is not about living a good life lol...the flesh is nothing compared to the spirit..

Any religion to me which claims that a good man can be tortured eternally, and a not so good man who has faith can enter paradise is a little twisted...

Yeah it is disgusting. Assuming 33% of the worlds population claims to be christian and assume only 25% are truly christians then by christian beliefs 75% of the world is going to burn for eternity in hell. If it were true, what kind of God would allow this?

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Originally posted by resonance
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hitler was in no way a true christian..no true christian could do the things he did....

So he is in Hell with horrible people like Ghandi?

My point now is, according to your faith, is that if a Jew died right now, he would go to Hell.....

Originally posted by WeShallBeFree

Originally posted by aMason

Originally posted by resonance
reply to post by aMason

 

well..seemingly he did not believe jesus to have died for his sins but investigated it..so i suppose yes he could be in hell...

i understand why you ask this..but our life here on earth is not about living a good life lol...the flesh is nothing compared to the spirit..

Any religion to me which claims that a good man can be tortured eternally, and a not so good man who has faith can enter paradise is a little twisted...

Yeah it is disgusting. Assuming 33% of the worlds population claims to be christian and assume only 25% are truly christians then by christian beliefs 75% of the world is going to burn for eternity in hell. If it were true, what kind of God would allow this?

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You forget to account for the large number of Christian denominations.....now if only one of those denominations are correct the percentage of people in Heaven would be much, much smaller...

reply to post by WeShallBeFree


not gods fault..its our fault..stop worryin about you and look at the bad that we have done to this earth..

we were created perfect..god interacted with us..and we still were like pfft we dont need you..he has no reason to want us back..but he does cuz he loves us..its all simple if you just accept it..

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doctrinal issues to matter in salvation..if they all just believe jesus cleansed them of their sins they are good..really easy

Originally posted by resonance
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not gods fault..its our fault..stop worryin about you and look at the bad that we have done to this earth..

we were created perfect..god interacted with us..and we still were like pfft we dont need you..he has no reason to want us back..but he does cuz he loves us..its all simple if you just accept it..

He loves us enough to torture us for eternity.........God creates a person he knows will not believe in him and after that persons death tortures him for eternity.....so God is creating beings for the simple purpose of torturing them....some God...

Originally posted by resonance
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doctrinal issues to matter in salvation..if they all just believe jesus cleansed them of their sins they are good..really easy

Didnt you state earlier that the Catholic church was not "Christian?"

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oh well yes..jews now go to hell i suppose...they have the information about christ readily available..they lost their status with god because of their rejection of him..they arent special right now..not spiritually..they are spiritually blind..

Originally posted by resonance
reply to post by WeShallBeFree

 

not gods fault..its our fault..stop worryin about you and look at the bad that we have done to this earth..

we were created perfect..god interacted with us..and we still were like pfft we dont need you..he has no reason to want us back..but he does cuz he loves us..its all simple if you just accept it..

So we have to suffer for the sins of Adam?

reply to post by aMason


wrong..we are given the choice to believe or not..and god does not torture us in hell..hell is a spiritual place full of sin..he doesnt like come and poke and prod us..i think of the lake of fire as being a more like spiritual burning and yearning to be connected with god again..

its not gods fault if you go to hell..he gives you an easy task and fully explains the options available for eternity..it is a very fair choice..we have to cleanse our souls by accepting what jesus did and having his blood wash us of our sins..