U.S. Troops handcuff, execute 8 Afghan children

reply to post by poet1b


'If the shoe fits?'

Not at all. Can you differ sarcasm from seriousness? Are you that evolved?

'Here you are, supporting those who willingly murder innocent women and children on a regular basis, and believe in selling young girls into sexual slavery.'

So said you. And so sad, you.

'I don't know who did what number to you to make you so twisted and lost, but that you are.'

I suppose this is your professional psychological overview of my persona, uh?

'Um, reality, there is no money in fighting the Afghanistan war.'

WRONG! You, as a people, suffer the consequences daily because of the budget attributed to the war. I mean... how better wouldn't it be for your fellow citizens to have better education, less crime, more technology, better police and firecorps equipment to SERVE the people?!? Of course there's money involved... and by the way: it's your money that's pouring into it. Aren't you proud?

'Desire for an oil pipeline is nowhere economically feasible for such actions.'

I suppose this is your professional economical overview of it, uh?


'Besides, the Middle East is quickly running out of oil, and Russia's reserves won't last all that long.'

NOW WHERE HAVE YOU HEARD THAT?!?!?!?!?!?

'This is the reality, sorry you can't handle it.'

Yes I can, and I enforce any country's security measures, but go play with fire and you'll end up crispy.

'The Taliban attacked the U.S., and made several attempts to attack us, and was actively training terrorists to kill innocents.'

So... Afghani civilian children, men or women aren't innocents?

'Europeans are in Afghanistan, and have been from the beginning.'

Sure they have: IN SMALL NUMBERS! Let's see my country's cooperation with the united states armed forces:

74 troopers. But hey: they sent more men in 2009. Now they're 110 troopers! WOW!

Hm... well, my country isn't that big. Let's see France: 1800 troopers. WOW! That's a bunch of troopers.

Now let's see Germany: 4,500. DOUBLE WOW! Hm... Germany is the european country that has more soldiers over Afghanistan, which tells me that the european country with most troopers in Afghanistan hasn't got even 3% of the troopers you've got there. Know why? Sure you do: BECAUSE IT'S YOUR WAR, A WAR CREATED TO SHOW OTHER COUNTRIES YOUR MILITARY MIGHT! Now... WHAT FOR? You didn't say nothing regarding North korea, funny. =)

'Effort is already being launched in Darfur.'

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!! Like... cargo?!? Peacekeeping equipment? Uh... why no troopers?!? I mean, there have been more than 300,000 deaths so far commited by the enemies of the united states (that is, those guys that do not know what freedom and democracy is or pure simply ignore it). But then again... what's in Darfur for you to reap? Don't be naive!

'I don't know if you are a radical Islamic terrorist, or just a sympathizer, but either way, you are on the wrong side of a global conflict that is continuing to escalate.'

I'm a radical self-conscious human being, as simple as that. And I'm on the virtue and truth's side. Ghandi himself said 'There's no way leading to peace. Peace IS THE WAY.'

This has nothing to do with money, it is a fight for our way of life.´

It sure is: as long as we're ok, SCREW THE REST!


'By the way, I was always against GW and his wacko regime, and I can't stand Faux News.'

If you were, you don't show, because your speech is clearly tainted with his demagogy.

'When the Taliban blew up those ancient Buddhist statues, it was pretty clear then that we were going to eventually have to fight these people.'

STOP THE PRESSES!!! THOSE DARN TALIBAN BLEW UP ANCIENT STATUES, THAT WAS THE LAST STRAW! LET'S RAISE HELL IN AFGHANISTAN AND SHOW WHO'S BOSS!

WAKE UP! As disgusting as I think the Taliban are, you have NO business in Afghanistan 9 years after. Or do you?

reply to post by Faustian Spirit

So said you. And so sad, you.

So said major news outlets on a regular basis. Of course there are the people who have been there, U.S. soldiers and others who once lived there.

You read this phony baloney article with the obvious unrelated photo and merrily jump in bashing the U.S., but when faced with the reality of who you are supporting, you start spouting nonsense like this.

The reality is you support the people who blow up innocents women and children on an almost daily basis, who kill school girls for daring to go to school, and sell young girls into sexual slavery.

That is how you ride.

Here is a link I started with several links attached. Why don't you introduce yourself to the reality you support.

Afghanistan is The War for Girls

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We will be in Afghanistan as long as it takes to wipe out this particular Taliban vermin.

Originally posted by donhuangenaro

Originally posted by NightoftheComet

The US was horrifically attacked for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON.

US, Britain and Israel have a very long history of interfering into other countries internal affairs, assassinations and murder to push their sick agenda for profit and hegemony...

so, saying that there is absolutely no reason to attack america is saying total nonsense by a very naive person

[edit on 8-1-2010 by donhuangenaro]

Yes. The White People are certainly the only people on the planet to do this.



No Muslim interfers in other nations and cultures. No Chinese. No Siberian. No Northern African. Not Malay. No Australian Aborigini.

These nations just happen to be better at it. Oddly, not only are the currently better at it, generally they are better at it while still be WAY more fair than any other agency on the planet.

Does that mean they are perfect. Nope. But they don't have slave markets on the streets selling the daughters of others either.

This IDIOCY of thinking that only a few nations, when in fact ALL nations and cultures do it and the ones crowing about it are crowing because they aren't doing it WELL.

Originally posted by poet1b

The reality is you support the people who blow up innocents women and children on an almost daily basis, who kill school girls for daring to go to school, and sell young girls into sexual slavery.

That is how you ride.

We will be in Afghanistan as long as it takes to wipe out this particular Taliban vermin.

So that's why the U.S. is in Iraq and Afghanistan..?........

It's not because of al-CIA-da....
It's not because of WMD's....
It's not because of Saddam Hussein....
It's not to control the oil and heroin for profit....

It's to protect little girls so they can get to school safely..

Well aren't you a gentleman.......

Why don't you pack your bags and go to China, I hear there's a couple of girls there that are having a hard time getting to school too....

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by poet1b

 

So said you. And so sad, you.

I meant YOU WERE THE ONLY ONE STATING THAT I SUPPORT TERRORISM, WHICH I DON'T, THUS CENSORING AMERICAN FORCES ALSO (THOUGH NOT ONLY).

You read this phony baloney article with the obvious unrelated photo and merrily jump in bashing the U.S., but when faced with the reality of who you are supporting

Which is...? Still don't know who you say I'm supporting.

The reality is you support the people who blow up innocents women and children on an almost daily basis, who kill school girls for daring to go to school, and sell young girls into sexual slavery.

Er... I guess your medication is past time, my friend. I support no criminal deed whatsoever... thus, I also don't support the u.s. armed forces.

We will be in Afghanistan as long as it takes to wipe out this particular Taliban vermin.

Then stop acting like a pussy when one of your comrades die. No one asked you to go there for a fake cause, so suffer the consequences and stop bitching about it.

[edit on 11-1-2010 by Faustian Spirit]

[edit on 11-1-2010 by Faustian Spirit]

reply to post by rainfall


I couldn't think of a better reason to go to war.

While you, clearly, are in full support of those whose goal is terrorize little girls trying to go to school.

I think it is important to point out just where we stand.

People are starting to see through this crying game by third world warlords over their right to brutalize their own people.

By allowing these third world thugs to do what they please, we are now seeing the problems show up on our doorsteps.

reply to post by Faustian Spirit


By supporting this cheap propaganda piece, you are supporting criminal deeds, whether or not you recognize it. You support the lie, you support the deed.

Actually, I have already served.

Does it make you feel like a man to call someone a name on an internet forum? Probably a strange feeling for you.

reply to post by poet1b


I think they should let the Afgan people serve justice to these murdering troops

This is disgraceful.

I feel bad for the troops who had to do it not the little terrorists. WAR SUCKS and if the little buggers are trying to pick up guns and fire them I see nothing wrong with cutting off their little hands. It is about as hard core as it gets but this is how you win a war. We need to break the spirit of the people we are fighting this is how you win. And to tell you the truth Obama is doing more than Bush ever did to actually win he is expanding the fight and adding troops.

reply to post by Sean48


You mean the Taliban?

Yes, they are getting theirs.

Looks to me like they are now down to trying to fight with boys.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
I feel bad for the troops who had to do it not the little terrorists. WAR SUCKS and if the little buggers are trying to pick up guns and fire them I see nothing wrong with cutting off their little hands. It is about as hard core as it gets but this is how you win a war. We need to break the spirit of the people we are fighting this is how you win. And to tell you the truth Obama is doing more than Bush ever did to actually win he is expanding the fight and adding troops.

Did you even read the article.??.....these 'little terrorists' were sleeping and dragged out of their beds....

And what would you consider a 'win' in Afghanistan.?.....

(btw, love the white powered wig )

[edit on 11-1-2010 by rainfall]

This picture is a FAKE. The "soldier" on the left is wearing 1990's era desert utility trousers and running shoes. Last time I check you don't wear sneakers when you go on patrol. Looks like enemy propaganda to me.

reply to post by rainfall


Sloppy reporting or enemy propaganda? I can't decide, maybe both. There are not enough details to independently confirm the story.

Originally posted by cjcord
K. When the average lifespan was about half what it is now, do you believe the draft age was 18? Under that, we who live in modern times would call them children.

That's not really the supporting info i was looking for, but thanks for telling me why you think there were children on the battlefield in ancient times.

Now it's your turn to prove how you came to the conclusion that I accept this as just and have some sort of sick thrill about it.

I never said you got a thrill from it, so i have nothing to prove. You've made it clear though that you do accept the deaths of children as a necessary cost of war.

Another debate fallacy. Take your toys and go home then! Have a good day.

I never said i was going home. I did pack my toys though, and enjoyed a nice sunday in the wilderness hunting for gold. Not everybody spends their days off on the internet.

Oh, but if in the future you wish to make assumptions about my beliefs or opinions, you may be better served finding out what my beliefs or opinions actually are- instead of looking stupid by running from an actual discussion.

I wasn't running from anything, lol. What a joke, you saying i'm the one making assumptions. You've made your beliefs abundantly clear.

[edit on 11-1-2010 by 27jd]

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by 27jd

 

I think GW invaded Iraq in the hopes for monetary gain, but failed to get any.

Afghanistan, however, has never been about financial gain. It originally was an excuse to invade Iraq. this is why GW neglected this conflict, which has allowed the Taliban resurgents to continue fighting.

While the U.S. has its share of corruption in government, overall the people are good, and the philosophy and morality of the U.S. is very strong, and our goals as a nation remain honorable.

The people in the U.S. support the war against terrorism because they see it as the right thing to do.

I agree with everything you said above.

Who else is going to do it? I trust any private army of soldiers for hire FAR Less than I trust the U.S. government. While the people behind the scenes pulling the strings aren't always of good character, overall, the soldiers of the U.S. are people of very good character, of whom I used to be one.

Like i said before, terror cells should be hunted by special forces, not mercs. I said that oil companies and the like should have to hire mercs to protect their assets abroad, not manipulate the people through the corrupt government and get our tax money and the lives of our soldiers to protect them.

Soldiers, like yourself, are trained primarily to face off with other uniformed soldiers. It shouldn't be your jobs to police populations, nor should we even be occupying any nations over criminal organizations operating in them. The extremist SOBs should never be comfortable, and have the most elite and motivated men hunting them at all times. That should be done WITHOUT disrupting on a large scale the civilian populations in those countries, thus cutting off their recruiting base of pissed off people. Large uniformed armies have never been able to outlast local guerilla fighters, history shows time and again.

reply to post by 27jd


It is funny, most people here on ATS don't think I am a liberal.

I agree with what you said about the oil companies having to pay their own ways.

If it wasn't for some hanging chad, the world would probably be a lot better place today. I honestly think we would be in a period of prosperity, and there wouldn't be a war in the Middle East, and we might be developing working relationships with Iran right now.

Funny how fate tends to work.

Western military sources said that the dead were all part of an Afghan terrorist cell responsible for manufacturing improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which have claimed the lives of countless soldiers and civilians.

“This was a joint operation that was conducted against an IED cell that Afghan and US officials had been developing information against for some time,” said a senior Nato insider. But he admitted that “the facts about what actually went down are in dispute”.

“The delegation concluded that a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took ten people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and ten, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead,” a statement on President Karzai’s website said.

Assadullah Wafa, who led the investigation, said that US soldiers flew to Kunar from Kabul, suggesting that they were part of a special forces unit.

“At around 1 am, three nights ago, some American troops with helicopters left Kabul and landed around 2km away from the village,” he told The Times. “The troops walked from the helicopters to the houses and, according to my investigation, they gathered all the students from two rooms, into one room, and opened fire.” Mr Wafa, a former governor of Helmand province, met President Karzai to discuss his findings yesterday. “I spoke to the local headmaster,” he said. “It’s impossible they were al-Qaeda. They were children, they were civilians, they were innocent. I condemn this attack.”

In a telephone interview last night, the headmaster said that the victims were asleep in three rooms when the troops arrived. “Seven students were in one room,” said Rahman Jan Ehsas. “A student and one guest were in another room, a guest room, and a farmer was asleep with his wife in a third building.

“First the foreign troops entered the guest room and shot two of them. Then they entered another room and handcuffed the seven students. Then they killed them. Abdul Khaliq [the farmer] heard shooting and came outside. When they saw him they shot him as well. He was outside. That’s why his wife wasn’t killed.”

A local elder, Jan Mohammed, said that three boys were killed in one room and five were handcuffed before they were shot. “I saw their school books covered in blood,” he said.

The investigation found that eight of the victims were aged from 11 to 17. The guest was a shepherd boy, 12, called Samar Gul, the headmaster said. He said that six of the students were at high school and two were at primary school. He said that all the students were his nephews.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

reply to post by SuperSlovak


i agree. it seems we're the only country that gets into everyones business. all it will do is make other countries angry and destroy our relations.

anyway, what has the world come to when our "free" "accepting" country is executing children... what did they do? probably nothing.. the military just wants to show what theyre willing to do to get what they want...

reply to post by December_Rain


I like how the Leftys use pictures of 5 year olds, and everyone knows the ages were 12-14, and frankly I have seen some pretty tough gang bangers that age in Los Angeles. I am sure the killing was justified.

reply to post by rainfall


Try actually reading the article
"...a weekend raid by foreign troops..."

"...but later backed off by saying there was no evidence to substantiate the claims that they were civilians..."

Nothing there states the nation of the troops involved. Nothing there states that any of those killed were definitely innocent. Do you honestly think that kids of 12-14 don't take up weapons, and shoot at the troops of this country and others?

This is just another pathetic attempt to demonize the military, and I am disgusted by such attempts.