Please stop using fearmongery to influence the joining of religeous cults

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And thus you quote Paul. And funny enough, you quoted a contridiction of what Jesus said. Like I said, paul is the false prophet and you belong to the anti-christ religion.

What did Jesus say on the matter?


James 2

22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

If you believe any word that Jesus spoke than you believe all the words he spoke in all the Gospels.

If you believe all the words Jesus spoke in all the Gospels, you have to believe all the words he spoke in Acts. Acts and the Gospel of Luke were authored by Luke. Acts 9:15 Jesus says this about Paul :

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:


You know what you can do with your Anti-Christ theory

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Originally posted by On the Edge
You know,for someone who says they don't believe the Bible is accurate,you sure are good at picking and choosing quotations to try to make your argument.

Like I said, for those with understanding it's no different than knowing 1+1=2 is true, and 2+4=5 is false. Only a person without understanding can look at a math test and think all parts are either 100% true or 100% false. The scary part for me is that you think this is abnormal.

I do believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose from death.

That's not the bad part. It's the part where you believe he died for your sins and that your sin is washed away with the blood spilled in that.

That he is risen only goes to show that he did not die or pay the price for peoples sins. Because the penalty for sin is not physical death, but spiritual death. Otherwise, nobody has ever been saved.

The significance and reason behind the resurrection was to show that he was sin free, and thus did not die the death of spirit. Which means that his example was correct/true for people to see and follow/do.

I'm not here to pound that belief into anyone's head. But I am very content to believe as I do,so much that I will stake my life on it,should the day arise.

The entire point of fear mongering and such is to get people to believe and accept. Fear causes people to do irrational things.

People are going to reap what they sow. So it's not like they don't have reason in itself not to do bad things etc. They are going to reap what they sow just like you will. But, the only way you are going to change what they reap is to give them understanding.

I can only assume you will do the same with what you believe,whatever all those beliefs of yours add up to.

I hope to never get anyone to believe anything. But if I can help one to understand and find the father on their own, then that would be fine.

My opinion is that the Bible needs to be understood through the Holy Spirit. His word is still alive,and speaking to millions across the world.

This is not too far off, but a little backwards. If you have the holy spirit, then you do not need the bible. How do you think people knew before the bible?

To say what I believe is Satanic and antichrist is a little extreme. But we do not see eye to eye,and I accept that.

Tell that to Jesus, he said it 2000 years before I did.

I don't see this conversation going much further.

Respectfully,"On the Edge"

Your choice.

Originally posted by oliveoil
If you believe all the words Jesus spoke in all the Gospels you have to believe all the words he spoke in Acts. Acts and the Gospel of Luke were authored by Luke. Acts 9:15 Jesus says about Paul

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

I don't believe the words Jesus spoke in the gospels. I know that Jesus speaks and does the will of the father.

At the same time, Paul does exactly what the father taught me not to do. In as much as I can see the example of the fathers will in Jesus, I can see equally the example of what I am not to do in Paul.

You just say this "you must accept it all or nothing" stuff to ignore the contridications. What you really are saying is - You have to accept the word of Paul over the word of Jesus.

You know what you can do with your Anti-Christ theory

Yep, keep pointing out that Christianity is the only religion that meets every requirement of the anti-christ religion. Get mad at me for it all you want, it's not going to change the fact of what it has done.

Kind of like that scene in "Left Behind". Where they are going to hang the family in public if they don't just switch religions. Oh yeah, that already happened. And the religion that did it - Christianity. Only, they burned people alive in the middle of town in order to put fear into the hearts of people. Either accept this religion or be burned to death. That was their choice.

So, is it really any wonder how Pauls words got to such a place and how Christianity is what it is today? No.

You won't have me to blame when it matters.

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I don't believe the words Jesus spoke in the gospels.

Well there's really not much more I can say.

Good luck with that.

Originally posted by oliveoil
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I don't believe the words Jesus spoke in the gospels.

Well there's really not much more I can say.

Good luck with that.

Funny. You take something completely out of context and pretend that is what was said.

Coincidence? Not in my opinion.

Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by oliveoil
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I don't believe the words Jesus spoke in the gospels.

Well there's really not much more I can say.

Good luck with that.

Funny. You take something completely out of context and pretend that is what was said.

Coincidence? Not in my opinion.

Okay here is what you said.

I don't believe the words Jesus spoke in the gospels. I know that Jesus speaks and does the will of the father.

Now question,
How do you know that Jesus speaks and does the will of the Father?

Originally posted by oliveoil
Now question,
How do you know that Jesus speaks and does the will of the Father?

Because I know the will and understanding of the father, and so I know when I see it. When I read the words of Jesus, I see the understanding of the father. When I read his actions, I see someone who is doing the will of the father.

Thus why in the end it doesn't matter to me if it's literally real/true or whatever. I know for sure that what is being spoken of is true, and the way of Jesus in the bible is the true way, or as in genesis - "the way of the tree of life".

Is the truth the truth because Jesus did it? Or did Jesus do it because it was the truth?

Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by oliveoil
Now question,
How do you know that Jesus speaks and does the will of the Father?

Because I know the will and understanding of the father, and so I know when I see it. When I read the words of Jesus, I see the understanding of the father. When I read his actions, I see someone who is doing the will of the father.

Thus why in the end it doesn't matter to me if it's literally real/true or whatever. I know for sure that what is being spoken of is true, and the way of Jesus in the bible is the true way, or as in genesis - "the way of the tree of life".

Is the truth the truth because Jesus did it? Or did Jesus do it because it was the truth?

So your saying that when you read the words and his actions.
Where did you read of these words and actions, in a comic book?

Originally posted by oliveoil
So your saying that when you read the words and his actions.
Where did you read of these words and actions, in a comic book?

In the bible.

Does that mean that I should also take every other book that religions throw in with the word of Jesus or claim is the word of Jesus?

Like how about the Koran? They also keep the OT too, and I see the understanding of the father in it as well. So, does that mean I should also keep the Koran?

And just so we are on the same page - the bible is a collection of books.

[edit on 1/7/2010 by badmedia]

Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by oliveoil
So your saying that when you read the words and his actions.
Where did you read of these words and actions, in a comic book?

In the bible.

Does that mean that I should also take every other book that religions throw in with the word of Jesus or claim is the word of Jesus?

Like how about the Koran? They also keep the OT too, and I see the understanding of the father in it as well. So, does that mean I should also keep the Koran?

And just so we are on the same page - the bible is a collection of books.

[edit on 1/7/2010 by badmedia]

Originally posted by oliveoil
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I don't believe the words Jesus spoke in the gospels.

Well there's really not much more I can say.

Good luck with that.

Your a hypocrite. Have a nice day.

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Just couldn't bring yourself around to answering the question could ya? As usual, you ignored it and instead replied with a personal attack/insult.

Of course, you don't actually believe all those other religious books should be accepted, but you didn't want to admit that because that is what you are trying to scold me for.

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On one hand you are saying that you get your info on what Jesus says from the Bible and on the other hand you say that you don't believe a word Jesus spoke in the Bible. Which one is it big guy

Originally posted by oliveoil
On one hand you are saying that you get your info on what Jesus says from the Bible and on the other hand you say that you don't believe a word Jesus spoke in the Bible. Which one is it big guy

I'm curious, do you think you will be able to avoid the questions and points forever? While I may be nothing of concern, do you think that which is of concern will be amused by such tactics?

Do you think the father will be amused by your pretending and manipulation of what has been said? Do you think he will be amused by you pretending you do not already know the question?

Sure, treat me as such all you want, it is nothing. But if you really think this kind of stuff is going to work for you when it comes down to it, then I feel sorry for you. You can pretend like we haven't been over this topic before, and you can pretend like I haven't explained it to you exactly more than once before for the eyes of others. But we both know the truth, and that which is greater also knows the truth.

Of course, once again the answer to that question is the same as before. I knew what Jesus was talking about before I ever knew he said it. Thus I do not need to "believe" Jesus, I know what he said is true. Just like I don't need to believe 1+1=2, I know it does.

Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by oliveoil
On one hand you are saying that you get your info on what Jesus says from the Bible and on the other hand you say that you don't believe a word Jesus spoke in the Bible. Which one is it big guy

I'm curious, do you think you will be able to avoid the questions and points forever? While I may be nothing of concern, do you think that which is of concern will be amused by such tactics?

Do you think the father will be amused by your pretending and manipulation of what has been said? Do you think he will be amused by you pretending you do not already know the question?

Sure, treat me as such all you want, it is nothing. But if you really think this kind of stuff is going to work for you when it comes down to it, then I feel sorry for you. You can pretend like we haven't been over this topic before, and you can pretend like I haven't explained it to you exactly more than once before for the eyes of others. But we both know the truth, and that which is greater also knows the truth.

Of course, once again the answer to that question is the same as before. I knew what Jesus was talking about before I ever knew he said it. Thus I do not need to "believe" Jesus, I know what he said is true. Just like I don't need to believe 1+1=2, I know it does.

Bad Media, You seem like a fairly intelligent person. Do you actually believe what you say is truth? The only one your fooling is yourself.I think you have been cooped up in your house to long. Get out and enjoy life man!!

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The most intelligent thing I could do with you at this point is to ignore you as long as you think slinging insults is the proper way to treat people, much less debate.

Originally posted by badmedia
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The most intelligent thing I could do with you at this point is to ignore you as long as you think slinging insults is the proper way to treat people, much less debate.

I can't speak for anyone else,but I'm ignoring you because your reasoning is so "twisted" it isn't even worth debating!

Originally posted by badmedia
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The most intelligent thing I could do with you at this point is to ignore you as long as you think slinging insults is the proper way to treat people, much less debate.

Debating is a two way street. What your doing is pushing your 1+1=2 theory down every ones neck. And as long as you keep spewing your putrid vial ideology I will be there to refute. If you choose to ignore me so be it, But you can not ignore what I stand for.

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I'd be perfectly happy if you did refute what I said. But you don't refute anything, as soon as you get stuck you resort to name calling and insults.

Just like with the bible thing above. You think I should accept all the books of the bible because I understand Jesus. Yet, when pressed about other religions and books that include Jesus, which shows the fault in that logic, you ignored the point and resorted to insults.

Give me something worth replying to, and I will reply. Stick to insults and such every time you get stuck, and I will simply ignore them. There are plenty of people around here who I disagree with an have had deep discussion about, but that is impossible to do with someone who is intellectually dishonest and thinks insults are a valid part of debating. If the debate was monitored, you'd have been DQ and declared the automatic loser for resorting to personal attacks.

Originally posted by On the Edge
I can't speak for anyone else,but I'm ignoring you because your reasoning is so "twisted" it isn't even worth debating!

Really, telling people they have to actually keep the commandments, and the importance of keeping the commandments over thinking idols and such did it so you don't have to is twisted?

The reason most Christians don't like what I say is because it means they have to actually keep the commandments, and they would rather believe they just need to "believe Jesus did on the cross for their sins" instead.

You are "ignoring" me because I can post the bible verses that back that up and it goes against your church dogma. If you could prove me wrong, then you would. As you can't, then only thing that is left for you is to either ignore me, or throw insults towards me.

You aren't the first, you won't be the last, and I'm actually very much use to it.

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Refute #1

How can anyone have a debate with someone on the topic of the Bible if that person refuses to except the Bible as A whole? And the only reason that person gives as to why he does not except certain books are because Paul was a politician, and a contradiction of the word father, And hatred of organized religion.