Please stop using fearmongery to influence the joining of religeous cults

reply to post by badmedia


Sorry,I didn't see that you were already addressing that issue.

I say this with all due respect...trying to talk to you gives me a headache,trying to wrap my mind around your logic!

I think I'll sit this one out for awhile!

A2D is more than capable of debating you,and probably more tactfully than I can,as tact is not one of my strongest virtues!

reply to post by On the Edge


If you think the bible is the word of god, then you do not have understanding and should heed those warnings yourself.

reply to post by On the Edge


Answer me this.

Those verses talk about those "which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not".

Does the bible provide these things? No. You can hear it with your ears, and you can see it with your eyes.

Words are dead. It's the understanding they are trying to express that is important. Just like 1+1=2 is being used to express a deeper understanding.

Originally posted by badmedia
reply to post by On the Edge

 

Answer me this.

Those verses talk about those "which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not".

Does the bible provide these things? No. You can hear it with your ears, and you can see it with your eyes.

Words are dead. It's the understanding they are trying to express that is important. Just like 1+1=2 is being used to express a deeper understanding.

1.Some people's hearts have been hardened and they will not be able to perceive the things of God.

2.The Spirirt of God gives understanding. The Lord grants wisdom to those who seek it.Not wisdom from "this world". The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God.

P.S. Is "understanding" to you more of a noun or a verb?(I think it's your use of that word that irks me.) What more of a meaning is there to "1+1=2"? There is wisdom in the simple acceptance that "1+1=2",isn't there? Am I missing some hidden,"occult" meaning there?!

(Kinda jokin' with that last line.Now if it was 33 or 666,that's different!)

All cults work in the same way, make you feel like the world abandoned you, tell you you're special, teach you 'secret' meanings and teachings, tell you everyone else is wrong and they're the only right, make you feel like you 'need' them, for salvation...

Fearmongering just helps to reinforce their ideals into you.

Not that I dont believe disasters are coming. You just have to not believe what anyone says, follow what you feel inside, and do not buy into someone just because you agree with them!!

Originally posted by On the Edge
1.Some people's hearts have been hardened and they will not be able to perceive the things of God.

2.The Spirirt of God gives understanding. The Lord grants wisdom to those who seek it.Not wisdom from "this world". The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God.

P.S. Is "understanding" to you more of a noun or a verb?(I think it's your use of that word that irks me.) What more of a meaning is there to "1+1=2"? There is wisdom in the simple acceptance that "1+1=2",isn't there? Am I missing some hidden,"occult" meaning there?!

It is very difficult to explain, I understand that it is not so easy to see.

The language of the father is pure understanding. It is not the language of men, and it is impossible for us to speak in that same manner. We can not give to each other as the father does.

1+1=2 is an expression. In terms of algebra, it would be A+B=C. The understanding itself would be A+B=C, but a true expression of A+B=C would be of that would be 1+1=2. It's hard to explain, because A+B=C is also in itself an expression that uses symbols. But maybe you can see what I am talking about.

Take the word Love. Watch this video.



It does the man no good to just memorize 1+1=2. He still doesn't understand it. This was the entire problem and why Jesus did what he did. They had the law, people accepted it was the law, but still they did not understand. As they did not understand, they were still unable to keep the commandments properly. They did not understand the spirit of the laws etc. Jesus tries to show and give people the understanding.

Prime example with a simple math test. Which of the following math expressions are true, and which are false?

1+2=3
54+4=94
92+2=94
32+62=94
9+4=13
9+4=19

Do you know the answers because you have memorized all the possible equations(impossible, they go on for infinity)? Or do you know the answers because you have understanding?

Knowledge of the holy is the same way. Knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 9:10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Thus, knowledge of the holy is NOT the expression itself(the bible), but is instead that which is being expressed.

A teacher btw doesn't teach you the understanding of math. The teacher teaches you how to express that math and how to work with the expressions themselves. The basic concept of math is understood as instinct. Even a 2 year old knows 2 candy bars is more than 1.

Occult means hidden knowledge, so I dunno if it's considered "Occult" or not. It is hidden from many men, but after you come to the understanding itself(wich comes from the father), then you kind of realize/see that it was never really hidden to start with, you just never noticed.

It is hidden by people who focus on the literal word and idols. They start to worship the symbols and written words, but they forget or don't know what they mean/stand for. What we are talking about here is actually what the mission of Jemimah was - to tell those people they worship idols and so forth, and do not follow the father.

I will leave you with Psalm 82 as far as this goes.

Psalm 82

1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

See that? They accept, and so they do not understand. Thus they walk on in darkness, as do all who accept. If acceptance was enough, then the history of the RCC would be much different.

(Kinda jokin' with that last line.Now if it was 33 or 666,that's different!)

What is the significance of 33? My initials come out as 333-III(Roman numeral).

I'm not one who generally believes in such things honestly, but I hear 33 all the time and I'm curious as to why people think it matters. I've always known the above and thought it was kind of cool for other reasons(how often does someones name do such a thing?).

reply to post by badmedia


Well,if that works for you,so be it! I'm sure you are trying ever-so-kindly to "enlighten" me!

Seriously,I feel God has blessed me with wisdom and knowledge,and "understanding",and I feel well-equipped to deal with life however it comes.

I don't feel any of it is as complicated as you are making it out to be.

This is "new-age" language,in my opinion. Chances are,our concepts are not so far apart.

It's kind of funny,you've quoted the Bible more than I have lately!

However,just now as I opened my Bible,this is the first thing I came across,highlighted from years ago...

"For Christ did not send me to baptize,but to preach the gospel,lest the cross of Christ be emptied of it's power." 1 Corinthians 1:17

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing,but to us who are being saved,it is the power of God.For it is written:I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 1 Cor.1:18

Since you have understanding,that should make perfect sense,right?


Anyhow,I am off to bed! Good-night.

(Here's a little something on the numbers 3)
www.cuttingedge.org...

reply to post by Agree2Disagree

Don't let your mind play tricks on you friend. We fear things because they're real and fright-worthy....We do not fear imaginary things....

Damn I wish I would have said that.

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
I don't see the fear-mongering. I see genuine concern that is interpreted as "fear-mongering" because of your FEAR...

If you didn't fear such ends, you wouldn't call this "fear-mongering"...

There must first be a "fear" in order to "monger" or "promote" it...

If I told you there was a giant squid in your closet that eats humans..would you fear it? Not likely because you don't fear it already....

Don't let your mind play tricks on you friend. We fear things because they're real and fright-worthy....We do not fear imaginary things....

A2D

exactly my thoughts (except for the squid lol)

thank you steriotypical christian number one who has aptly reinforced my argument with the following quote " your going to hell for this comment "

im sorry but what kind of all knowing all powerfull all loving god would send a soul to hell for simply stating an opinion. you my freind are about as flexible as a house brick.

you give religeon a bad name, im sorry did god visit you in the night and give YOU personally the power of condemnation? please grow up. at least the other religeous people in this argument have some level intelegence, arguments are won by valid points not by saying well your going to hell, a 5 year old could make a better point than you if thats the best you can come up with

this is exactly the holyier than thou crap im asking people to stop doing. having a religeous take on things is exelent in my opinion its a whole other perspective. its when you start condeming us to hell and telling us wer siners it gets a bit tiring, rational discusion please not block headed insults

reply to post by C1OUD


Why you are so out raged isn't fear mongering what our own government used to influence their policies on the people? they learned from the masters of deception, "Religion".

Only those of weak mind will feel compel to read the ramblings of fear mongers. . .

Most people have better things to do.

Originally posted by C1OUD
is anybody else completely fed up of reading religeous ramblings in an attempt to pertrify you with the pending doom of the earth and the only way to salvation being the practise of what their particular religeon or cult performs.

i am by no means anti religeous, i do not believe in any particular religeon however. but from a neatural standing point with their being so many variations of specific religeous practises, whats the probability that anyone of them is right?

im all for the ethical implications of religeon which i beleive was their primary design. to simply persuade man to behave in a more humane and ethical way. NOT the exentric ramblings of doom torture and devils and hell coming to earth in the very near future. Fearmongery is not described as a tool for publication of christianity.

im sorry to say that i have the most profound disrespect for those people who are using fear of doom as a primary source to convert to their religeous following, jesus would be most displeased by you

Yea he woud be upset at such ignorance 1 should always share the positive views they possess to encourage a positive life, but 1 should never force any to look up to the creator for that is will tampering and is forbidded.

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Originally posted by On the Edge
reply to post by badmedia

 

Well,if that works for you,so be it! I'm sure you are trying ever-so-kindly to "enlighten" me!

Seriously,I feel God has blessed me with wisdom and knowledge,and "understanding",and I feel well-equipped to deal with life however it comes.

I don't feel any of it is as complicated as you are making it out to be.

This is "new-age" language,in my opinion. Chances are,our concepts are not so far apart.

It's kind of funny,you've quoted the Bible more than I have lately!

However,just now as I opened my Bible,this is the first thing I came across,highlighted from years ago...

"For Christ did not send me to baptize,but to preach the gospel,lest the cross of Christ be emptied of it's power." 1 Corinthians 1:17

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing,but to us who are being saved,it is the power of God.For it is written:I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." 1 Cor.1:18

Since you have understanding,that should make perfect sense,right?


Anyhow,I am off to bed! Good-night.

(Here's a little something on the numbers 3)
www.cuttingedge.org...

Paul is the false prophet who comes after Jesus that Jesus warns of. Paul who contradicts Jesus over and over.

I seriously doubt we are anything alike. Your understanding is by and of men. Your religion is satanic and anti-christ.

Btw, I did not learn from the bible at all. But I know what is being said in it, and I know the parts that are false. While Jesus is an example of all the father taught me, Paul is the example of everything the father taught me not to do.

I don't think you have bad intentions. But not all mistakes/errors are made with bad intentions. You think you are bringing "people closer to god", but that is impossible until you know the father. And currently, you have replacements for the father. You can't find the father by looking "out there".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing you believe you are saved by the sacrifice of Jesus and the washing away of sin with blood?

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Originally posted by On the Edge
Christians believe "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom".

the "fear" that christians are supposed to cultivate is a respect for Gods position & authority

its not a quaking or shivering fear of destruction

Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by On the Edge
reply to post by badmedia

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing you believe you are saved by the sacrifice of Jesus and the washing away of sin with blood?

[edit on 1/7/2010 by badmedia]

Yep,you're right about that! I'm "old-fashioned",I guess.

"For by GRACE you have been saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God; not as result of WORKS, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for GOOD WORKS, which God PREPARED BEFOREHAND so that we would WALK IN THEM." (Ephesians 2:8-10]

...The Bible makes it clear that you can only be saved by God's grace by putting your faith in the sacrifice of Jesus not in your own righteous deeds. The Scriptures assert that all have sinned and are guilty before God. No amount of Commandment keeping can save you because Commandment keeping cannot remove sin nor the penalty of committing sin. So it is clear that all people are in need of a Savior to save them for they cannot save themselves from the penalty and judgment of Hell. Without salvation a person is literally on death row awaiting execution."...


Let me guess...you don't believe there will ever come a time of Judhement?

Originally posted by C1OUD
thank you steriotypical christian number one who has aptly reinforced my argument with the following quote " your going to hell for this comment "

I didn't see where anyone told you that.

Can you actually "quote" that person?

And what if the bible was written by men with agendas?(Which is getting easier to believe/prove(even scientifically) in these latter years, when knowing that information may actually be your salvation.)

Does that give fulfillment to the prophecy about the people who could not enter heaven, even though they claimed they did as the bible told them, they are good people, etc...?

That is what concerns me!

Spirituality is a very personal thing. A person should not be frightened or coerced into believing anything. It is not my job to convert anyone.

Originally posted by On the Edge
Yep,you're right about that! I'm "old-fashioned",I guess.

"For by GRACE you have been saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God; not as result of WORKS, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for GOOD WORKS, which God PREPARED BEFOREHAND so that we would WALK IN THEM." (Ephesians 2:8-10]

And thus you quote Paul. And funny enough, you quoted a contridiction of what Jesus said. Like I said, paul is the false prophet and you belong to the anti-christ religion.

What did Jesus say on the matter?

James 2

22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

...The Bible makes it clear that you can only be saved by God's grace by putting your faith in the sacrifice of Jesus not in your own righteous deeds. The Scriptures assert that all have sinned and are guilty before God. No amount of Commandment keeping can save you because Commandment keeping cannot remove sin nor the penalty of committing sin. So it is clear that all people are in need of a Savior to save them for they cannot save themselves from the penalty and judgment of Hell. Without salvation a person is literally on death row awaiting execution."...


Let me guess...you don't believe there will ever come a time of Judhement?

And yet, never once does Jesus refer to himself as a sacrifice. He speaks against sacrifice in fact. Talks about bringing sinners to repentance. Sin means "Mistake", repent means "fix/change". But for you, it means "believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins".

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

It's anti-christ. The words you speak are against the words of Jesus. And it's the same story as always, you will quote Paul and I will quote Jesus.

But you are right, Paul does teach that.

Matthew 5

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I guess when he said "except your righeousness shall exceed the righeousness of the scribes and Pharisees", what he meant to say was "unless you believe that I am going to die on the cross for you".

And what about the rich man? Why doesn't Jesus tell the rich man - or anyone really, that they must do these things you claim?

27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

Who comes after Jesus? Paul of course. And I can list another dozen things he contridicts Jesus on and so forth.

I'm sorry, but the entire sacrifice of Jesus bit was a LIE designed to keep men from following the example and path of Jesus by thinking they just needed to believe he did it for them. You say you love Jesus, but then you treat him as your whipping boy.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Who do you follow?




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reply to post by badmedia


You know,for someone who says they don't believe the Bible is accurate,you sure are good at picking and choosing quotations to try to make your argument.

I do believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose from death.

I'm not here to pound that belief into anyone's head. But I am very content to believe as I do,so much that I will stake my life on it,should the day arise.

I can only assume you will do the same with what you believe,whatever all those beliefs of yours add up to.

My opinion is that the Bible needs to be understood through the Holy Spirit. His word is still alive,and speaking to millions across the world.

To say what I believe is Satanic and antichrist is a little extreme. But we do not see eye to eye,and I accept that.

I don't see this conversation going much further.

Respectfully,"On the Edge"