I cant understand USA people :

Originally posted by deepwaters Nans, your continual anti-American rhetoric has been noted and duly filed in my disregard files.

Mine too...In the *circular* file...Under "C" for Crackpot...
A lot has already been mentioned in America's defense against such rampant, rabid rhetoric that I don't need to add to it, even though there's (a lot) more examples that *could* be added...Even though, *as* a born-n-raised American, I still don't understand us at times either.

'Nuff said.


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Nans, are you a fan of Michael Moore by chance? It sounds like that's where you get your 'facts' about America and have you ever been to the US?

And politically correct IS incorrect!!! And do take Mutilators advice.

We're an isolationist country because we only border 2 other countries? That�s just nonsensical nans.

Originally posted by e-nonymous
Damn Nans ...

Time to STFU with this BS anti-american crap. We could take over your pathetic country in a week, hell prolly less than that.

damn, we kicked the crap outta Iraq in 100 hours, and France hasn't lasted in a war since it's own Revolution.... I'd give it less than a day.....

Anyway, back to the subject at hand. Nans, can you tell me what there is to do in Europe? *hears crickets chirping* nothing? heh... thought so....

Not to insult our European members, but it the US is so "evil", than what do you rank as? Psychotic dictator? Maybe hot-dog-on-a-stick for a president(oh, I mean prime minister, I know how touchy you Euros get)? C'mon... Hate to say it, but Europe would be speaking one language had it not been for who? The US. You seem to forget that the whole of Europe is in own debt. We saved their asses not once, but twice in a century, and then we went on and fought what possibly was the greatest naval nation in Eurasia: Japan. And we won. What has any European nation but Russia and Britian done military wise since the 1800s? They all crumbled before Nazi Germany.... only Britian put up a fight, and they won cause they're on an island. From what I hear, most of Europe(including your great Empire of France) was in shambles because of ONE FRICKIN COUNTRY. And then we came and it was all better.

You need to realize that the average American doesn't give a damn about war, unless the draft is reinstated. What's a draft you ask? I'll tell you later... Americans only care about the dignity of their country, of their people. We're prolly the most friendly citizens out there.... In Canada you inadvertently get hit by hockey pucks, and in france their big, eighteenth century hair knocks you over on the street(once again, no offense to our members from these countries, I'm just tryin' to make a point). In the US we look and act like normal humans, however a little overweight as a nation. We've had the best politics since the Byzantine Empire.... I mean, damn..... The French still wanted to use slaves long after Lincoln set and example and abolished slavery. It is the point, that you hypocrits judge the US by what you see in our leader(Bush... heh, no wonder the Europeans think we suck) and not by the courage and might of our people.

I hope I have taugh you about the brave-yet-stubborn-as-oxen American people, who you so seemingly despise.

DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THEY ARE CRAZY????!!!!!

nyeff

No comprendo Nans DESMICHELS

I'm NO slave and have more freedom than you ever will. You know nothing about the United States!
I feel sorry for you.

You may be surprised to see the sadness and poverty of the world outside your frontiers...

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Anyway, each time I started these kind of debate with US-citizen, it's the same : You react just like your movies heroes, repeating the establishment speach :

America is the land of the free : Peoples outside are the axis of evil !

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If I don't know america, you don't know france :

We never end a war ? No, we made a revolution !
Without this revolution, USA would stay a british colony and your mood shall be "HAIL THE QUEEN".

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Originally posted by Gazrok
Well, first you'd have to assess where your view of the USA comes from... Is it just the media?
Just talking on boards?

That gives indeed a nice view about americains

Or have you actually been here, and spent some time trying to find out what we are all about?

Do you know what your country is all about?

secret...secret...top secret....comsic top secret.....secret underground bases....secret murders....secret weapons....secret projects..... uuhm

Secret States of America??

All that said, the majority of Americans can't understand the French either (and the average American has little understanding of current world events and political stances, due to our media's fascination with celebrities over real news)

They feed you with the stuff they wan't you to feed.

So, I'll answer one by one.

1) Bush: Yes, most of think he is a moron. The election was close, in fact,

- there is a large majority that believes that Gore actually won, but there was a voting scandal, etc. -

C'mon, these were our choices...

Oh yeah????

Bush and Gore, sounds like a snuff film. We didn't even have a "lesser" of two evils...more of an eeny-meeny-miney-moe...

And what choices do you get?

2) Fight against NWO: Most Americans have NO idea about the NWO,

Strange, the rest of the world knows about it....

other than it being a term coined in Bush speeches. Americans on this board are an exception, not the rule.

3) Peace: We aren't the ones harboring and promoting terrorism throughout the world.

9/11???? Oaklahoma bombings??? WTC bombings few years ago??

We simply see ourselves as the world policemen, because nobody else seems to want the job.

world policemen (armymen) = world control?

If America really was this "out for oil" monster it's made out to be, we would have simply taken countries like Iraq, Venezuela, etc. decades ago, and carved an empire for ourselves.

And we would have let you doing that?

We certainly were and are still capable of such a thing,

You've made yourself capable of such things, yes.

but the very fact that we haven't and
don't intend to, ??
certainly speaks of a nation wanting peace,

By war??

not conquering imperialsm...

4) Home of the Slaves?: Hardly. I doubt you would have seen the kind of courage exhibited on that ill-fated Philladelphia flight (the one that didn't hit a target on 9/11) elsewhere...and that's just an example of what we're made of... That's bravery, as well as the firemen and policemen who risked their lives (and gave them) trying to help others in the WTC...

and all this because of your government.....

Maybe now, you understand us a little bit better?

No?

Decifer,

We're not uneducated. Some of us do sound that way ... but we's smart people's ... We just make everyone think we's dumb so we can take over the world !!! ... oh crap ... said to much ...

But, about double standard's ... Why we do it? Cuz we can! It's one of the perk's in being the ONLY superpower on the planet. WE make the rule's!
Don't like 'em? BOOOM !!!

Nan's ... French frie's suck, so does french bread ... blah blah blah blah blah ... You think your pathetic revelution kept us from hailing the queen ??? ROFLMAO !!!! yeaaaa ok ... you keep thinking that ....

I'd be willing to bet, if your country stay's between us and iraq longer, we might get pissed off anough to come after your sorry ass' .... MUAHAHAHAHA

/me hit's Nan's upside the head with a loaf of french bread

you should quit assuming the behavior of every citizen of the us. we are all different and we all have our seperate ideas about how things should be and how we react when things go wrong. no one person is the same .

If USA didn't "saved us" in WWII



Planes like that would probably soon bomb IRAQ...

So we did save you in WW2, Nans. Thankypu for acknowleging that. So you could say you Frenchies owe us.
How do you intend to repay that debt ?

You made what revolution? You made our revolution? No, we made our revolution. Sure, You guys assisted us, but not because of a love for our form of government, but because of the fueding and competition with Britain.

As far as the hatred outside our "frontier against us because of hunger, that's a pretty stupid reason to hate us. Is that why you hate us, or is that merely from jealousy? I think its from jealousy, from a old European nation that resents America for being so strong.

...We helped you because we love freedom.
And we fight against the opressors.

What I meant with the upper pix is that anyway, situation would be the same sadness whenever it's GERMANS, RUSSIAN or USA who rules the world.

I hope that one day you'll understand what I mean...



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LOL, I love it.
Well folks you always talk about if it wasn't for US we would speak german now ? How nice...

See how you forget the Canadians who actually freed us (the Part of Europe I live in). So stop talking nonsense like that, as if America did it all by its own. To tell you the truth, America can't win a war on it's own. They need others to help with that.

Shame on you guys. Who heard about the Russian proposal to invade Germany in order to stop Hitler before he could attack anyone ? It was America that said no to Russia because they needed the threat in order to sell more weapons. I would like to know if that storry is true or not.

So I say, thanks to America the whole world is in danger right now, maybe we would have been a bit more safe if we all spoke german. So don't act as if we have a wonderful world because of America. It is not, we have lot and lot of problems in this world, and it's all because America is very very selective when it comes to help others. And it hurts to see how egoistic many many many people are on this board. You think only about your own. You don't respect others, that's why this so called wars will never stop. Peoples are full of hate.

Now tell me I'm wrong. Of course I'm wrong Americans are always right. See how they demonize eveyone who's having another opinion, so great is Democracy, France is now almost the enemy right ? Well they have nukes too so watch out. And all of that just because they don't want a war there. Well who's the bad guy now ? the one opposing war, or the warmonger ?


Disclaimer: I'm not anti America, I just "hate" when people talk about things and "forget" other things that are at least as important. Please do me a favor and don't ever mention that if it wasn't for US......... because that can be reversed and America didn't do it alone.

America it self has enough problems of its own, think about those problems and tell me how you're gonna solve them, you can't solve them and you think you can solve the worlds problems ? What a joke, you can't even make your own country safe let alone other countries.

Please people think about this ! I know there are places in America that are more dangerous than Saddam. You won't dare to walk there at night on your own, So the world will be later transforemed to many of such places... Great ! I love American plans !

Ok I just wrote these things to make you see this whole thing from a different perspective. I don't mean to insult anyone. I just want some peoples eyes to be opened instead of continiously telling how bad Saddam is.

A good leader takes care of it's own people first. Bush take care of Saddam first. And that way expose Americans to more danger. Well I'm glad he's not my president. Unfortunately his moves and decisions are affecting me and I can't do nothing about it. I thought this is a Democracy, I say stop. Let's vote ! Power to the People and not Bush.
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[Edited on 27-2-2003 by TigeriS]

Originally posted by TigeriS


Shame on you guys. Who heard about the Russian proposal to invade Germany in order to stop Hitler before he could attack anyone ? It was America that said no to Russia because they needed the threat in order to sell more weapons. I would like to know if that storry is true or not.

I don't know how well you know your history, but up until the invasion of the USSR, Germany and the Soviet Union had a non agression pact.
Satlin didn't believe Germany had actually launched an invasion until 3 days after the event.
So no the USSR wasn't going to invadei Eastern Europe to thwart Germany. The USSR wasn'r in any position to do this as Stalin had purged well over 50% of the Soviet Officer Corp. This was due to a disinformation operation largely attributed to Heydirch.

Nans' rants about the UK and London (pitiful railroads?!??) are tipping his hand. I suspect his opinions are borne of the age-old pissing contest between France and England, which is nothing more than run-of-the-mill bigotry (the English joke that the French don't bathe, the French joke that the England doesn't have decent dentistry, et al). We share the language, most national and individual values, and The Rule of Law. I guess that's enough.

Originally posted by mad scientist

I don't know how well you know your history, but up until the invasion of the USSR, Germany and the Soviet Union had a non agression pact.
Satlin didn't believe Germany had actually launched an invasion until 3 days after the event.
So no the USSR wasn't going to invadei Eastern Europe to thwart Germany. The USSR wasn'r in any position to do this as Stalin had purged well over 50% of the Soviet Officer Corp. This was due to a disinformation operation largely attributed to Heydirch.

Well, it has not much to do with how well I know the history, there are many versions of history you know, and that is the problem, which one is true ? So I thank you anyway to clear that up for me. But it's strange, they had a non agression pact but still they were invaded. Nice pact !

And what do you people in countries that are anti-war propose that we do about Saddam?

You want him to run rampant? Do you know where he will attack first? Most likely Europe. Are you ready to defend yourselves? Are you going to wage a last-minute war, like in WWII? You're doing the same appeasment shoot that you were doing then. And do you remember what happened? You were invaded, taken out, and then freed again. Does it matter who freed you? No.

If we continue inspections, you knwo dam well we won't find any weapons. They're not going to be in plain sight. They're going to be hidden where we won't find them until it's too late.

I say we take Saddam out now, before it's too late.

-Post Script-
IT'S NOT AN OIL WAR!!!

erm Britain is part of Europe and we weren't actually invaded in WW2

Keep it up Nans

Although I don't agree with you its great to have a "real" opposition to our dominant pro american western thinking here.

America is like Democracy.. it's the worst of all systems yet its the best of all systems.

Someone said (an american) that in the end America does what is right, usually because its the only thing that actually works.

I think the problem that we outside of america don't realise, its that the country is so huge you could easily forget that there IS another world out there.

Small countries are very aware of the events in the world, when america sneezes the world catches cold, but for the average american (in my opinion) you can forget that ther are others out there that you are pissing off.

Its like living next door to a very large house of noisy neighbours who sorta forget that they are only part of the street, and leave their cars all over your driveway and their snotty kids graffiti your mailbox.

But the average american fails to see this as they are on the inside, so can't see their imposing bulk and the shadow it casts on the world. I imagine the ancient Romans felt the same way....

Who would you rather rule the world? - the germans?, the French?, the English? the Chinese? the Russian?... someone will, you make your choice.

Personally I choose the americans, imagine if it was the Australians, we would all be forced to play Aussie rules and watch lifesaver competitions and Neighbours on TV, and endure being beaten in every sport and have to put up with the crowing about it and the bad beer!

This is a time of hegemony, get over it....


BTW even the canadians seem to hate americans...

cbc.ca...

OTTAWA - A Liberal MP has apologized for saying about Americans: "I hate those bastards."

MP Carolyn Parrish was speaking to reporters about Canada's diplomatic initiative on Iraq. At the end of her comments, after most of the cameras were turned off, Parrish said, "Damn Americans � I hate those bastards."



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