Good News!!! MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT to the World

Originally posted by henriquefd

Cool, now tell me how I will run my company and its 2000 buses on solar energy alone. Save me the millions of dollars I spend every month on diesel, please.

Im sorry, my post wasnt directed at a million dollar bus corporation...

Maybe you should consider downsizing or a different industry if your REALLY concerned about energy efficiency.

For the average person however, it is possible.

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Christians point to a supposed impossibility of evolution and Evolutionists point to a supposed impossibility of creationism. Both of these arguments are limited. I was simply pointing at the impossibility you were pointing at that is observable and I am trying to connect it to the point that God is not impossible, but rather, is simply beyond our comprehension. There are things that echo Their perfection, but this place is part way between the Void and Perfection, so we see both death and we see miracles of life, but neither in fullness until we move to a place of greater observation and greater understanding or until we move to a place of no observation and no understanding. Keep in mind, if we do not observe, or understand, it does not mean that there is not something to observe or understand. Perpetual motion is not impossible, but it is simply beyond our reach for the moment. Again, we may find a way to access the Life/Power of the Universe, but to do so in fullness, one must observe and understand what is real and also be free from the constraints of Death/Weakness/Needs/The Void. Observing well and understanding well is a gift. Being free from Death is most commonly done through death.

electricity is not like cell phones!! It does not work on small radio waves!!

god u people are hopeless....

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They will need financial resources and moral support.

...and then Greer will disapear to a country with no extradition agreement to never be seen again.

Go ahead. Send him your money and see if this is real. Sell your house, send him all you have, save the world!

If this is already developed and working, why do they need more money. Just demonstrate it to the Press right now and they will be showered with money! All they have to do is prove it and I'll send them all can. I'll have garage sales for them. They simply need to demonstrate a working device to the Press and have it Peer reviewed. The whole scientific community does not work for the government. The Press would be thrilled to break the story. This would be in all the headlines right now if it were real. I'll watch for the announcement on tonight's News.

We see what, half a dozen of these stories a year, every year and not a single working device has ever materialized. There is always some excuse after they pocket the money.

Lets see how much they pocket between now and April and what excuse they use then to extend it. Do you suppose we will ever see this imaginary genius or will he suddenly disappear after the money stops coming in?

Originally posted by Blaine91555

If this is already developed and working, why do they need more money. Just demonstrate it to the Press right now and they will be showered with money! All they have to do is prove it and I'll send them all can. I'll have garage sales for them. They simply need to demonstrate a working device to the Press and have it Peer reviewed. The whole scientific community does not work for the government. The Press would be thrilled to break the story. This would be in all the headlines right now if it were real. I'll watch for the announcement on tonight's News.

Well I don't know about the Press doing anything with this, but what if a tech team from ATS could meet with Bedini and test out one of his systems? Run every test and take every measurement they can think of and verify that it's overunity?

Would that be sufficient?

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Sorry folks, I couldn't resist.
Well, I for one, have been waiting for stuff like this for a while.

I'm dyslexic and I'm sure there is a better phrase than "top secret scientist" - it is sort of a silly term. What about qualified scientific expert with top secret military clearance... COSMIC, whatnot.

:O That sort of pig english is not exactly playing the card for this scientist to be the bob dean of science really is it.

No, no it isnt :-)


Abductee

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Well well I hope this proves to be true as in these tough times free energy can help out alot. Put me down for one . Judging by Greers claims throughout his career I can't really prove nor disprove his accusations. He has made some very strong claims throughout his books but we have yet to see any physical evidence to assist in these claims. Even though the people he has interviewed help to back his claims it's still hard to fully believe until there is undeniable proof. Yet one can still hope for a miracle like a free energy machine ..

Originally posted by UFOabducteebe
I'm dyslexic and I'm sure there is a better phrase than "top secret scientist" - it is sort of a silly term. What about qualified scientific expert with top secret military clearance... COSMIC, whatnot.

That sort of pig english is not exactly playing the card for this scientist to be the bob dean of science really is it.

I get the impression subconsciously Greer resents or even hates the people dumb enough to fall for his endless procession of scams. They are usually so transparent.

The astronauts he claimed were behind him withdrew their endorsements claiming he modified their statements, he was caught putting up a piece of fiction by someone as fact, and other embarrassments.

If you believe Greer you'll also believe the Nigerian banker who has ten million in funds waiting for you as soon as you send him the cost of the transfer fees.

As far as science goes this is kiddie stuff for the thinking impaired.



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If they are qualified to do the testing and have no connection to Greer or any of his many enterprises. I would have to know the device worked and nothing could be hidden from those testing it. They would need to have the proper qualifications and not be an MD who thinks he is a UFO, Perpetual Motion expert who regularly converses with Aliens and earns his living from non-profits promoting unprovable things.

Are you familiar with Greer?

In 1990 Greer founded the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) (not to be confused with SETI), and offers how-to training on initiating contact with extraterrestrial intelligence.[3] Greer also teaches the use of meditation techniques that he claims allow attendees to "remote view" locations and times (past and present), and develop "cosmic consciousness" and supernatural abilities such as precognition.[4]

In 1993, Greer founded the Disclosure Project, claiming evidence of extraterrestrial visits to Earth, and a wide-ranging conspiracy by governments in the United States and other nations to cover up evidence of these visits.[citation needed]Greer also claims that these groups suppress unspecified extraterrestrial technologies from the people of the world, including free energy (see free energy suppression).[5].One of the Disclosure Project's most famous presentations was at the National Press Club in 2001, where Greer and a number of individuals came forward with alleged evidence.[5]

Greer is also the founder of the Advanced Energy Research Organization (AERO) and The Orion Project.[6] Both seek funding for research into perpetual motion and other free energy devices.[7]

According to Greer he is a contactee who has coined the term "close encounter of the fifth kind" (a.k.a. CE5) to describe alleged human initiated contact with extraterrestrials.[8] CE5 encounters are "characterized by mutual, bilateral communication rather than unilateral contact."[9]

$500 seem fairly steep to get a twenty dollar book to me that probably costs a couple of dollars to print. I don't know, maybe its just me? I want real proof. All of his projects are about collecting money through non-profits it seems to me.

If the real deal comes along they would simply say we have the machine. It works and we can come hook it up to your house if you want to prove it. We will gladly let any expert test it right now. Yet this never happens. They can't be prosecuted for raising money for research that never produces anything. Lots of people do this and some get rich doing it and never produce anything of any value.

I'd like to see proof this mystery scientist even exists and proof he was imprisoned. Perhaps he could make a video of him and give his credentials so we can see if he is for real.

I'd like to see proof it was Obama who released him based on Greer's interceding.

Any credible project would gladly provide these things without hesitation.

I actually believe in UFO's but not Greer and I would not send him money. Perpetual motion is not possible so that's a non-starter. Perpetual Motion machines have been used by confidence men for a lot of years. Nothing new in that bit of fiction I can see. New wrapper, same game.

Just prove it. I even have a Partner who's brother is a billionaire who I'm sure would be very interested in an investment like that. With what is available now he would just laugh at me and rightfully so. Stupid rich people are all Celebrities and perhaps he should approach them. People who get rich the normal way are too smart to buy into this without absolute proof.

Some of the most honest decent people I've ever met in my life were rich people. I've made it a practice to meet people like that as I know only a fool goes to poor people to learn how to make money. No poor person ever gave anyone a job. If this were real, money would flow like a river from rich philanthropists. They get approached all the time by hoaxers though and proof, up front is the only thing they would care about.

Energy is not a game and fake energy devices are a dime a dozen and they all want money. They prey on the working poor for their nickels and dimes while they travel the world in pursuit of non-existent technology on other peoples money. I wonder how many will take $500 dollars they need themselves and send it too him for a cheap autographed book? Enough to keep him going obviously up to now.

All those names and titles on his websites do not impress me. Where is the Beef?????????

Okay, I read the article, and as soon as I read the following...

"We're dealing with someone who has a track record of thirty years of building these technologies; and being under contract with top secret programs; and has actually built things to the level of things dematerializing, teleporting, and space-time alteration. We're talking really advanced stuff." Greer says that in the military secret ops, such projects are referred to as WSFM which stands for "Weird Science and Freakin' Magic."

...I realised the whole thing to be a scam. 'OP', why can't you exercise greater discernment?

WOW!

For the mere pittance that is $100,000, I can attain the faux, meaningless title of "Global Fellow"!!!

BARGAIN!!!

Where do I sign up? ... though I would prefer the title of "Mondo El Dude'o".

IRM

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LOL! why am I in 4 years of university when there's stupid people everywhere...

Incidentally one of my anonymous friends is a brilliant scientist, need money for alcohol research! please send cheque or money order to...

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lmao, he made a mistake putting his address up for practical jokers!
Maybe Ill make a box that says '$100,000 cash for global fellowship' and I can fill it with, well, use your imagination... scammers seserve a taste of their own BS

Originally posted by mmiichael
As far as science goes this is kiddie stuff for the thinking impaired.

mmichael, if this is such "kiddie stuff" for you, then please explain how on the one hand physics tells us perpetual motion is impossible, but on the other hand physics tells us protons and electrons are always spinning.

Please, enlighten my infant brain!

Originally posted by Blaine91555
If they are qualified to do the testing and have no connection to Greer or any of his many enterprises. I would have to know the device worked and nothing could be hidden from those testing it. They would need to have the proper qualifications and not be an MD who thinks he is a UFO, Perpetual Motion expert who regularly converses with Aliens and earns his living from non-profits promoting unprovable things.

Great minds think alike!

This is pretty much exactly what I have already proposed to the staff. I'm sure there would be no problem coming up with the right team of volunteers, if Bedini were to accept the challenge!

I have even offered to contribute funding towards such a field investigation.

Are you familiar with Greer?

Oh yes, quite!

As I mentioned before, I think his heart is in the right place but he has made way too many huge mistakes and ruined his credibility.

If the real deal comes along they would simply say we have the machine. It works and we can come hook it up to your house if you want to prove it. We will gladly let any expert test it right now. Yet this never happens.

Right, Greer and Dr. Loder still have nothing to show us after all these years.

But John Bedini states in "Energy From the Vacuum Part 2" that he welcomes such challenges. So, why not take him up on it?

Just prove it. I even have a Partner who's brother is a billionaire who I'm sure would be very interested in an investment like that.

!!!!!

Well, I'm trying my absolute best here, man!

A professionally done field investigation is the only thing that will settle the debate once and for all.

All I can do is offer to contribute funding. I can't make this happen without the staff.

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
Electric cars were available 80 years.
Cars that run on WATER were available 25 years ago.

Electricity and Water are still valuable commodities. It's not free energy by any means.

Originally posted by MajorDisaster
what if a tech team from ATS could meet with Bedini and test out one of his systems? Run every test and take every measurement they can think of and verify that it's overunity?

Bedini's razzle dazzle technologies have been tried by many who undertsnd how they really work.

Proven time and again to be duds.

Read this thread on "Free Energy Alternative ZeroPoint Green Tesla Power Open Source Research Forum" and the contributor "MileHigh" patient explanations of why the Bedini stuff is junk science

excerp tbelow

www.overunity.com...

All Bedini motors work based on classical electronics principles and there is nothing special about them at all. A Bedini motor is just yet another variation on the Joule Thief concept. This stuff is really all about exploiting the fact that inductors can produce high voltage spikes and to many enthusiasts this is "sexy" and "exciting" and "mysterious."

Inductors can produce high voltage spikes and capacitors can produce high current spikes. They are in all ways mirror images of each other. However current spikes are not "sexy" because they don't have the high visibility of voltage spikes. So capacitors get the short end of the stick and inductors get all of the glamour.

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spikes are "sexy." The "radiant energy" is just the "sexy spikes." It sounds mysterious, "radiant energy" like it must come "from the vacuum" or the "Dirac sea." You can make it even more mystifying by talking about "positive radiant energy" and "negative radiant energy." Another line from the enthusiasts is "we know it's there but we can't really measure it" and "we use a Bedini motor to tap into radiant energy to 'bring it to the other side' as conventional energy that we can measure."

All of that is b*llsh*t. All that you have to do is do the experiments. All that you have to do is make careful measurements of how much battery energy you are using and compare that to how much BEMF "radiant spike energy" you can measure. You will find that ALL of the energy in the "radiant spikes" comes from the battery and from nowhere else.

So a Bedini battery charger uses a discharging inductor to force energy into a dead battery.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
WOW!

For the mere pittance that is $100,000, I can attain the faux, meaningless title of "Global Fellow"!!!

BARGAIN!!!

Where do I sign up? ... though I would prefer the title of "Mondo El Dude'o".

IRM

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Send me the check written out to cash. I'll give you any title you want engraved on a plaque plated with gold and adorned with cheap diamonds. I'll even throw in a embroidered jacket with your title on it. Hows that for a deal?

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You know I was not directing that entirely at you I hope. I know you mean well and you, just like me pray that this technology happens someday. I just don't think it will come from Greer.

Ask yourself has Greer ever produced anything or proof of anything? Why does he have all these non-profits where he can pay himself multiple salaries and fund his travels and expenses on top of that without ever having to create anything or earn anything?

I'm betting he is not driving an old beat up car and living in a dumpy apartment he can barely afford like many of those sending him there money based on his stories and dream of a better world.

I'm just trying to get people to engage their minds for a little critical thinking.

Someday, someone will come up with a miracle device. It won't be presented this way though with all the cloak and dagger stories. You will turn on the evening new and it will be the lead story. It will be the headline in all the Worlds major newspapers. The inventor will be front and center proudly displaying his miracle to the world and it will work every time it is tested.