Bill Cooper , 'insectlike' beings from a totally incomprehensible culture

Originally posted by Conluceo
I think someone asked previously, is there anyway you can solidify your argument with some sort of visual documentation which backs your statements? I would be interested in that. Thanks.

Listen to the radio show Fist_of_the_North_Star posted. That is probably the most accessible information about Cooper's antics. Here are views of others in the UFO field on Cooper. Here is Don Ecker's expose of Cooper from UFO Magazine in 1990.

And here is some food for thought for the Cooper followers...

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Unity_99
Oh yes, doesnt that last part make sense, that he suddenly threatens people and shoots a cop. Right?

He didn't "suddenly" start threatening people. He had been engaging in bully tactics for a very long time. Read about Cooper's history in the UFO field, listen to what Cooper himself had to say. If you have really looked into Cooper's background, not just the lies his brain-dead followers spread, then it should be no surprise he suffered the end he did. It should be no surprise he is infamous among serious UFO researchers and those interested in the subject. It should be no surprise he shot a cop.

Eight years after his death, Cooper is still lying to us.

links and references please and not just more of the same sad ad hominem attacks. (I am hoping that you know what that is)

LINKS AND REFERENCES PLEASE. BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY.

If you can.
But you can't.

Never knew about the movie tie-in or that there were so many crashes in such a relatively short time period.

The water appearing to open up for the spacecraft just reinforces my belief that UFO's use a propulsion system that "bends" space and matter.
This, of course, would account for the incredible maneuverability of UFO's in the earth's atmosphere and the earth's oceans.

reply to post by Josephus23


Do you know what ad homeniem means? Because you don't seem to, by accusing it on a post like that where you're not mentioned once.

You're trying to deflect attention and cause a stir against the poster, not debating the information that's being presented. In a way, you're using ad homeniem yourself while accusing him of it. That's called projecting, and you should probably stop doing that too, and just deal with the facts.

I watched the video, and thank you for bringing it out into the open. The first thing that strikes me is that "Bill" shot no one. I suspect the deputy that was shot, was shot because he tried to keep the killing from happening, and was silenced. I would love to see the ballistics report on the bullet recovered, and the verified bullets in his 38. 15 hours is a long time to move evidence without adult supervision, if you know what I mean.

The other thing, and as Bill himself stated, he may have been given false information to "pass along", unknown to himself. But, in reality, what really changes with that subject...... JFK was not shot by the driver, if you watch a enhanced version of the Zapruder film you will see what appears to be a gun is actually just a glinting sun ray off of some of the chrome work of the vehicle.

The other thought is that Bill was being set up to fall by being involved with Timothy McVeigh in the Oklahoma bombing. It appears the media was already geared up to run the headline NEWS FLASH "Timothy McVeigh and William Cooper" blew up the Federal Building in Oklahoma." Except Bill was too smart to be drawn in and told them to bug off. "Key word", Militia. He had to be dealt with in another manner.

There is a large meteor heading this way, I wonder where it will hit our planet.....

People, listen. The disc was the sun. It rose up over the horizen, appearing to rise from the water. It didn't touch the water. Get it? The ''aliens'' are not from outer space. Don't you get it?!

So many of you are lost in the literal.

Bill would surely laugh at you just before he shook his head.

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
The ''aliens'' are not from outer space. Don't you get it?!

Yes, I get it, and have gotten it for some time now. And I have said a few times already, there is no such thing as "Aliens", only forces that are "Alien" to our crafted reality.

Oh, and in a side note, the earth really does revolve around the "Sun", it just depends on which one your talking about.........

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Thankyou so much for those links, very useful.

But also what a diasppointment - I saw his lectures on Youtube a while back and I thought he was convincing and trustworthy, he was at least a good orator.

I guess the moral is to be wary of people with supposed inside info, you never know who they're really working for.

More confusingly, I thought it meant Alex Jones was untrustworthy because Cooper had said he was a disinfo agent. Does this mean I should trust Jones now? Can anyone be trusted?

There's an idea for a thread there - compile a list of absolutely trustworthy sources and then pool what they say into one story.

Originally posted by EsSeeEye
reply to post by Josephus23

 

Do you know what ad homeniem means? Because you don't seem to, by accusing it on a post like that where you're not mentioned once.

You're trying to deflect attention and cause a stir against the poster, not debating the information that's being presented. In a way, you're using ad homeniem yourself while accusing him of it. That's called projecting, and you should probably stop doing that too, and just deal with the facts.

I was referring to the ad hominem attacks against Mr. Cooper.

Btw....
Ad Hominem is not Ad Homeniem (as you spelled it. not to be a dick, but just so that you know exactly how to use it correctly next time)

Not against me.

Just so you know...
Here is the definition of argument ad hominem.

Projection is a Freudian term where people place their own inconsistencies, thoughts or attributes upon another person, group, or the outside world in general.
Projection, while being Freudian, is also a large component of Object Relations Theory (which is considered Neo-Freudian) Here is a good definition of Object Relations theory. This is a theory based upon a style of therapy used often in modern Psychology.

Here is a definition of Freudian projection.
Could you please point to where I am projecting?

And remember...
when you read the DEFINITION...
What am I saying. You probably will not read it so here is the definition

the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have the same feelings or motives, rather than what they really think.

So tell me then, If I am projecting, then what does the recipient of my projection really think?
And what exactly am I projecting anyway?

And keep in mind that Freudian projection is subject to Julian Rotter's concept of locus of control.
In case you don't know what that is, then here is a definition.

I am just about to enter grad school to earn a Phd in Research Psych.

I wouldn't argue with me about this, but it's up to you .
I will either learn something new....

Or I will school you BIG time (the MOST likely scenario).

What do you think will happen?

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Conluceo
I think someone asked previously, is there anyway you can solidify your argument with some sort of visual documentation which backs your statements? I would be interested in that. Thanks.

Listen to the radio show Fist_of_the_North_Star posted. That is probably the most accessible information about Cooper's antics. Here are views of others in the UFO field on Cooper. Here is Don Ecker's expose of Cooper from UFO Magazine in 1990.

And here is some food for thought for the Cooper followers...

Man....

You have taken absolutely no time to read Cooper.

Of course Cooper was fed disinformation. He was the first person to really begin to discuss this stuff. 99.99% of the people out there that discuss this stuff are fed some disinformation, but does that mean that I should discard them totally?
If so, then the idea of governmental disinformation is working like a charm.

You do realize that Cooper came to the conclusion later on in his life that he WAS being fed disinformation. He realized this when 9/11 occurred.

Your documentation is so suspect. So many of your sources fall into the bare assertion fallacy or the negative proof fallacy.

I would recommend learning about logical fallacies.

Here is a great place to start

No one person or source can be trusted completely, and that is the way it was designed, including myself.

Each person must be interrogated for their own merits. Each bit of information must be examined for validity and any truth it might hold, will be bore out in time.

All the bits of truth are laid out on the internet. It is up to you to find them, polish them up, and present them to the world. The truth has been dismembered and scattered around the world. We are challenged by the true powers to "Catch me if you can", and seems to be nothing but a game to them, or so they thought. They have toyed with us at every venture, every turn, and only decided to "Intervene" when they saw their prized toy getting ready to destroy the world.

Now they want a world of love and peace, conveniently. Lets not look back at all the bloodshed they allowed to happen, it was just part of the game. Let us all be like Christ and turn our cheeks and live in love and bliss, till they decide what to do with us half brained smart monkeys. "Oh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive".

Wasn't it such fun watching humanity prove to itself that it could not govern itself by tricking us into killing, starving, mutilating, murdering ourselves. All humanity, bow down to the laughing king, the king who will come to save humanity, from itself. All hail the King of the New World order.

Yep, William Cooper sure could make people think...........

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
No one person or source can be trusted completely, and that is the way it was designed, including myself.

Each person must be interrogated for their own merits. Each bit of information must be examined for validity and any truth it might hold, will be bore out in time.

All the bits of truth are laid out on the internet. It is up to you to find them, polish them up, and present them to the world. The truth has been dismembered and scattered around the world. We are challenged by the true powers to "Catch me if you can", and seems to be nothing but a game to them, or so they thought. They have toyed with us at every venture, every turn, and only decided to "Intervene" when they saw their prized toy getting ready to destroy the world.

Now they want a world of love and peace, conveniently. Lets not look back at all the bloodshed they allowed to happen, it was just part of the game. Let us all be like Christ and turn our cheeks and live in love and bliss, till they decide what to do with us half brained smart monkeys. "Oh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive".

Wasn't it such fun watching humanity prove to itself that it could not govern itself by tricking us into killing, starving, mutilating, murdering ourselves. All humanity, bow down to the laughing king, the king who will come to save humanity, from itself. All hail the King of the New World order.

Yep, William Cooper sure could make people think...........

BINGO!!

Star for you.

The thing that Cooper exposed that got him killed was his series on the initiate religions of the Mystery Schools of Babylon.
Cooper was a nut, but his environment DROVE him to be a nut.

In his heart, he did what he thought was honorable. He was not out to steal from anyone, and he did not try to con anyone out of anything.

He felt a dedication do his country and he took his oath to uphold the Constitution for the United States of America seriously.
(NO ONE in government takes their oath seriously anymore, because the fake proxy Federal Government is not our real country anyway)

We need more true patriots like him.
God Bless Bill Cooper (RIP)

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Conluceo
I think someone asked previously, is there anyway you can solidify your argument with some sort of visual documentation which backs your statements? I would be interested in that. Thanks.

Listen to the radio show Fist_of_the_North_Star posted. That is probably the most accessible information about Cooper's antics. Here are views of others in the UFO field on Cooper. Here is Don Ecker's expose of Cooper from UFO Magazine in 1990.

And here is some food for thought for the Cooper followers...

Thanks, will go over these. They seem to be well versed in psychological written warfare.
I Will keep the rest of what i truly believe to myself.

Originally posted by Conluceo
Thanks, will go over these. They seem to be well versed in psychological written warfare.

Think about what you are saying here. You are saying all of these people are lying, are paid disinformants, and only Cooper is telling the truth.

For all of those taking Cooper at face-value, think long and hard about why you are taking him at face-value. Is it because he was saying what you want to hear? Even if you believe the bare-essentials of Cooper's claims, that there is a shadow government perpetrating god-knows-what and capable of Byzantine manipulation, shouldn't that give you pause before believing anything Cooper said?

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Conluceo
Thanks, will go over these. They seem to be well versed in psychological written warfare.

Think about what you are saying here. You are saying all of these people are lying, are paid disinformants, and only Cooper is telling the truth.

For all of those taking Cooper at face-value, think long and hard about why you are taking him at face-value. Is it because he was saying what you want to hear? Even if you believe the bare-essentials of Cooper's claims, that there is a shadow government perpetrating god-knows-what and capable of Byzantine manipulation, shouldn't that give you pause before believing anything Cooper said?

Seriously dude....

You MUST make it paramount to learn true logic. This is an either/or argument and yet another logical fallacy.

Look man, Cooper was not 100% right, but he was definitely not 100% wrong. I mean....
He predicted 911 on his short wave radio program and was murdered by the Feds less than 3 months later.

Extreme beliefs, whether skeptic or conspiracy theorist, all fall prey to the problems of fundamentalism.

You have just presented a TON of logical fallacies. Read through my posts.
I have presented them, and there are many more.

I am not trying to speak arrogantly, nor talk down to you, but in debate situations, always learn logical fallacies

[edit on 3-1-2010 by Josephus23]

Ive had a good look at this info about Bill Coopers death, and even Wikipedias explanation tells you about his death and suggests weird happenings surrounding his shooting/murder?

en.wikipedia.org...

"Another deputy returned fire, killing Cooper.

Rumors continue to abound about possibility of political assassination. The high caliber ammunition, and volume of firing suggest more heavily armed individuals than local police. There will always be speculation when any individual speaks politically dangerous statements before a violent mysterious death."

Quite shocking, and even if he was armed theres the arguement that maybe he was mentaly unstable and that the force used was "over-kill"
Yes, he was armed, but the way that this death went down, really does seem weird, how the police provoked him to coming outside his house, then the police identified their selfs. Imagine the shock on him when he said numerous times that any threats will be met with violence.
Anyone ever heard of suicide by cop? Is this just a way of playing it to benifit the powers that be?

And also to the topic, the insectoid alien, in a magazine i bought there was a write-up on the 10 weird'est Aliens. Anyway, one mentiond was a vampier type insectiod/plant type. Dont know why but in sort of reminds me of this EBE. Heres the link to theis site --


www.paranormalmagazine.co.uk...

Originally posted by Josephus23

links and references please and not just more of the same sad ad hominem attacks. (I am hoping that you know what that is)

LINKS AND REFERENCES PLEASE. BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY.

If you can.
But you can't.

I am just curious here but since a cop was shot in the head, who is it you suppose actually did that if cooper could not from where he was?

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Righto Bill Cooper was a fraud. The same (snip) who said the Cold War never happen.


[edit on 6-1-2010 by asala]

there is more and more stories, sightings, and efforts of debunking happenin recently. im willing to bet my life savings that ET life is currently or has been on this planet

Holes torn in space time by atomic tests? There must be a hell of a hole around our sun and all the other stars then, do aliens fall out of it like candy out of a pinata?