The Illustrated History of MJ-12

The Origin, Identity and Purpose of MJ-12


Interesting about the Creation of the NSA :

Creation of the NSA President Truman created the super secret National Security Agency (NSA) by secret Executive Order on November 4, 1952. Its primary purpose was to decipher the alien communications and language and establish a dialogue with the aliens. This most urgent task was a continuation of the earlier effort and was code named SIGMA.

Aliens sure are useful in giving these guys a paycheck.

If this activity were ever put to a vote, where would Obama stand?

Stanton Friedman's book on the subject is excellent.

Excellent thread! S & F. it was very interesting and I really enjoyed all the hard work you put into this.

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GREAT stuff. Thank you.

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I don't know if this was mentioned in earlier in the thread, but I've seen that Battle for LA pic from a bizarre instance when Japan was testing out balloon weapons. Turns out they were quite effective at sneaking up on us, were promptly taken out by the military. The truth of it was covered up because brass didn't want Japan to find it was successful and continue working on it. Their ploy was successful, and the project was dropped. No worries for Americans to have uncontrolled craft dispensing explosives or disease coming in wherever the wind decided to blow.

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
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Here is a link to the investigation

foia.fbi.gov...

case closed?

This makes me laugh. Is 'bogus' professional US government speak now?

This as far as I'm concerned is a well researched interesting post and I'm glad I got led here today from the Ramey Message thread.

Beautiful post. Seriously. Thanks for the great info! You always make badass threads, Gazrok. Archiving this one to PDF, methinks, unless you have a zip file or something already made you could post?

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Thanks. I don't have a zip or anything, as I did some in word, then inserting links and pics, etc. in the actual post. Sorry.

What if you put a big black blanket over your head with an eye hole
and walked really slow at night? Start from the south and just walk
north. According to Google Earth there is plenty of cover.
I'll bet you could get really close.
Start crawling south around 3AM. Don't forget the Sony HQ cam.
You could give the video to the New Bob Lazar movie coming out
starring Matt Damon.

The temperature and vibration sensors would still pick you up...then SUVs and a helicopter or two would be shining all kinds of spotlights in the area. To make matters worse, even if you did pull that off, you're walking around an area that could be FULL of unexploded ordnance (most of the area was used for bombing practice, etc.) if not intentional mine fields, with the allowance of lethal force to be used against you.

No thanks, I'm too attached to my innards to try this.

Wish you would keep this going with new post as new information has come to light has your stance changed on the subject at all? are any more of the documents proven to be fake or the like have they proven to be real by researchers? I do think that MJ-12 did exist and that the truth is out there and more and more of it is put out as time rolls on.

Thanks for your time flagged for sure.

I want to believe this stuff after going back to look at it again after years, but problems with the fonts and typewriters aren't helping at all. Firstly this is a good point and can't really be simply dismissed : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Secondly :

The format of the Majestic-12 Documents, with justification and different fonts and type-sizes, generates some doubts: the first typewriter with IBM typeballs (selector compensator), and with it replaceable fonts, was the IBM 72, built from 1961 — and only the successors of this machine also had the memory necessary for justification.

en.wikipedia.org...

Points like these keep coming up, but nobody seems to be able to explain them.

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Points like these keep coming up, but nobody seems to be able to explain them.

A lot of UFO researchers have written the MJ-12 docs off as clever hoaxes. Although Stan Friedman makes a case for 2 or 3 of them, he acknowledges the others as fakes. Typeface, details and errors have ruled the majority out. Last time I looked, he supports the Eisenhower Briefing Document, Cutler-Twining memo and the booklet.

There are some ideas that possibly one or two documents are the real deal and the rest flooded ufology as chaff to deflect attention. Another school of thought, shared by some UFO researchers is that the MJ-12 docs were a 'sting' to discredit Stan Friedman by other researchers. Who knows?

In the past couple of years, the Eisenhower Briefing Doc has taken a huge knock. It contains a report of a saucer crash...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d412dd0f64a9.jpg[/atsimg]

The guy that made this report was 'Colonel' Robert B Willingham. He was a Colonel in the USAF and claimed to have seen this UFO crash at Del Rio. For decades, he was seen as credible. In recent years, long after the EBD showed up, he's been found to be a fraud. Not only wasn't he a Colonel in the USAF, he wasn't in the USAF. He lied about his history and he's the single source for the Del Rio crash report.

Guys like Kevin Randle point out that if the EBD was authentic, why does it contain a hoax in there? Wouldn't an alleged organisation like MJ-12 have the power to know for a fact that nothing crashed? Big mistake. Instead, we're left with the possibility that the people who produced these documents referred to what they thought were good UFO cases. They screwed up by believing the claims of Willingham. When he fell, the EBD falls. In interviews, Randle has mentioned that Stan Friedman accepts the Del Rio case as a hoax, but still supports the possibility that the EBD is genuine.

And if all that is true, then Willingham’s story, of seeing a UFO crash falls apart because he wasn’t an Air Force fighter pilot as he claimed, is not a retired military officer as he claimed, and wouldn’t have been in a position to see what he claimed to have seen when he claimed to have seen it.

But even if Willingham was less than candid about his military service, he now claims that the crash didn’t take place in 1950. That had been Zechel’s influence. According to Willingham he had seen the crash in 1954, or 1955, or maybe in 1957. He is no longer sure of the date. He only knows that it wasn’t in 1950... and even if Willingham is telling the truth now, it suggests that the information about Del Rio as it appears in the EBD is inaccurate which undermines the validity of MJ-12.

A Different Perspective

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Ouch, makes things look even more dodgy. Thanks for the info, will have a read of that blog too. I still think there's a chance that maybe a group did form if these MJ docs are all proven fake, but that it's documents were a lot more protected and have never been released.

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Personally, the real interest in MJ-12 lies with the creators. If we knew for sure who they were, it might shed light on the reasons behind them.

There's a lot of money to be made from hoaxes as Ray Santilli proves. Likewise, there are people behind the scenes who seed BS into the subject. Rick Doty is an obvious example. Plus guys like Victor Martinez have been neck-deep in this kind of thing. A website called Reality Uncovered has done some great investigations into Martinez and aspects of MJ-12.

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Yeah the hoaxers are a big problem. Have only recently started researching into these areas again and had no idea how much of a problem the hoaxers have actually made of trying to work out what's going on. At least there's places like this where they can be pointed out quickly, so we're not wasting as much time on their attention seeking/money making schemes.

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Gazrok, what do you think about the IPU report 22/07/1947, linked below, which gives the coordinates of the second "Roswell" crash site as lat 33 40 31, lon 106 28 29, described as being 20 miles South East of Socorro and which appears to be more or less at ground zero of the Trinity site, where the first nuclear bomb was detonated in 1945 and which is part of White Sands missile range.

Walter Haut's affidavit, also linked below, describes the second site as closer to Roswell. They both can't be correct, unless there were three sites.

If the crash site was at these coordinates there would be no problem with secrecy, I assume that civilians on the missile range would be rare, aside from the fact it would be radioactive. Does this spread doubt on the authenticity of the document and therefore on similar documents that have the same "authenticity scale" rating ?

Would welcome your thoughts and those of others.

www.majesticdocuments.com...

www.roswellproof.com...

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Nice presentation Gazrok, thanks for posting this.
Since the case for Roswell has been proven -beyond a reasonable doubt-, it would of course follow that a group would be formed and put in charge of the wreckage and the myriad of problems it now presented to the nation and the world. The obvious huge impact on all cultures of the world would result in this group being able to operate in complete secrecy with whatever resources they needed, independent and outside the normal constraints of government operations, authorized by The President himself.
Whether we have all the names and the actual number of members correct so far or even the real name of the original group is kind of beside the point, a high level group would have been formed and given whatever they needed to carry out the various resulting missions of R&D and security. This is a great first stab at identifying those members.

Wish you would keep this going with new post as new information has come to light has your stance changed on the subject at all? are any more of the documents proven to be fake or the like have they proven to be real by researchers? I do think that MJ-12 did exist and that the truth is out there and more and more of it is put out as time rolls on.

As I stated from the get-go on this thread, the real motive here was to provide the overall story that emerges from the docs, whether you believe an individual doc or not, to be authentic. The docs come from various sources, and apart from finding a match in an official archive, there is no way to PROVE authenticity, only to SUPPORT it.

However, with some docs, they can be SUPPORTED as being fake too, such as fonts prior to the font existing, etc. While many will argue the specifics of individual documents, the real interesting part for me, was the cohesive story and people that emerged.

These would have been the folks you'd want in such positions looking into this. They did have close associations with each other, and facets of this case. The story is a plausible one, for events following such a discovery.

I'll have to look into that document giving the coordinates of the second crash site, and compare it to other info. To debate each document, you almost need a thread on each, as each has different info, formatting questions, source, etc. to critique.

Is there really a new Bob Lazar movie coming out
starring Matt Damon? Or was that a joke.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Is it your contention that we've never been visited by any alien craft despite the numerous photos, films, witness testimony, and statements of former military personnel? If so, then why would a UFO forum even interest you? Just curious...

I ask the same about many here. Also look at the irony in 'Deny Ignorance' under AT'S logo when seeing ones that come here simply to call people liers and the UFO stories lies or Demons.