Where was all that 95% of UA93 wreckage?

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


No prob, just picking on ya

reply to post by tezzajw


Another shining example of the short term memory disorder that so many truthers seem to suffer from. Either that, or another example of their propensity to either take things out of context or to not tell the full story.

reply to post by impressme


The funny part is, I probably could have typed your post, word for word, including the grammatical errors before I even posted. I dont have to disprove anything you have posted. The facts do that all by themselves. By that I mean, the actual facts of the day, not the ravings you like to quote from the internet.

Originally posted by hooper
Remind me again - exactly who does the FBI call to investigate its investigations?

On plane crashes they usually call on the NTSB. Do some research

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by hooper
Remind me again - exactly who does the FBI call to investigate its investigations?

On plane crashes they usually call on the NTSB. Do some research

Huh? Does the NTSB investigate the FBI? On most plane crashes wouldn't, in fact, the NTSB call the FBI if they feel the crash was caused by criminal activity? And in these cases there wasn't any room for doubt. The planes crashed due to criminal behavior, specifically terrorist that hijacked the planes and then purposely crashed them.

Originally posted by hooper
On most plane crashes wouldn't, in fact, the NTSB call the FBI if they feel the crash was caused by criminal activity?

If a plane crash is considered a crime (as on 9/11) the FBI is lead investigating agency. The FBI usually calls on the NTSB for technical support.

www.historycommons.org...:_a_detailed_look=penttbom
Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies.

There are so many unanswered questions on just this one issue concerning 911 and is why i opened my thread concerning a new independant enquiry ! Yet it seems to me that the ONLY ones against a new enqiry are the people who back the OS ? This one aspect/incident on it's own could warrant its own enquiry in my personal view ! To me just too many things dont add up ! I don't profess to be a professional in any field concerning these issues, there are far more qualified people here to give better views but to the common man in the street as it were something just is right ! I'm sorry to say OS believers but I am not the only one ! Every person I have spoken to about these event's and there are many believe something MORE happened than the Official Story tells us ! Things are just going round in circles surely a new enquiry by a non American International panel of experts etc would help bring it all to an end ?
Once again i wish to declare I am on neither one side or the other I just want THE truth and i don't believe the FULL truth has yet been heard !

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by hooper
On most plane crashes wouldn't, in fact, the NTSB call the FBI if they feel the crash was caused by criminal activity?

If a plane crash is considered a crime (as on 9/11) the FBI is lead investigating agency. The FBI usually calls on the NTSB for technical support.

www.historycommons.org...:_a_detailed_look=penttbom
Due to this being a terrorist attack, the Pentagon and its grounds are immediately declared a federal crime scene. Under the terms of a 1995 presidential directive, this makes them the exclusive responsibility of the FBI. The FBI immediately begins collecting evidence and is also responsible for recovering bodies.

And? So the NTSB assisited the FBI in an investigation, so what's your point? The matter is a criminal investigation. I think that is pretty much what has been said all along. Whatever data and information was gathered at any of the sites as part of the investigation is now part of a criminal investigation and I hope you would have noticed that that information is not generally open to public viewing until all criminal matters have been resolved.

Just out of curiosity - do you know exactly how many of the hundreds of thousands or millions of individual parts of a commercial jetliner are specifically and uniqually identifiable to a specific plane?

Originally posted by hooper
Whatever data and information was gathered at any of the sites as part of the investigation is now part of a criminal investigation and I hope you would have noticed that that information is not generally open to public viewing until all criminal matters have been resolved.

But there is information that is normally open to the public. Also there are FOIA requests thatcan be filed to get information.

In this case we have very littel information that is normally open to the public. Also their are several FOia requests that that information requested was not released.

Just out of curiosity - do you know exactly how many of the hundreds of thousands or millions of individual parts of a commercial jetliner are specifically and uniqually identifiable to a specific plane?

As a matter of fact a know quite a few parts that are identifible since i was a crew chief in he Air Force.

www.historycommons.org...:_a_detailed_look=penttbom
“We don’t need to photograph all the plane parts, only unique airplane parts or something specific. Like the pilot’s yoke, or anything with part of a serial number on it. If we have to prove what kind of plane this was, the serial numbers will be what we need.

[edit on 3-1-2010 by REMISNE]

reply to post by REMISNE


Please substantiate your claim that there is information pending that is "normally" released to the public.

Such as?

What is normal? Do you think this is a "normal" criminal case? Can you not at least admit that there are issues of national security involved which may, just may, hinder "normal" procedures?

reply to post by ATH911


Typical truther logic - make something up, then claim its the truth. Ignore anything to the contrary...

Yes it does. If only 5% of a 757 remained above ground, as the photographic evidence seems to show, then even your 65% comes up way short.

So either tell us where the missing debris is, or concede that the FBI's 95% claim is greatly exaggerated.

Wallace Miller, the cornoer states the forward 1/3 of Flight 93 broke away on impact and sprayed debris into the treeline.

Your claim that only 5% was above ground is false.

Also much of the debris was reduced to small fragments and would not
show on area shots. Hundreds of people scoured the scene for weeks
to recover debris.

When former firefighter Dave Fox arrived at the scene, "He saw a wiring harness, and a piston. None of the other pieces was bigger than a TV remote. He saw three chunks of torn human tissue. He swallowed hard. 'You knew there were people there, but you couldn't see them,' he says."

Mark Tsantes, a supervisor with Salvation Army Disaster Services, said the volunteers parted underbrush with their hands and hauled debris from the woods in 5-gallon pails.

Most of it was little more than thumbnail size -- "no bigger than a pop rivet holding two pieces of aluminum," Miller said yesterday -- that last week's rains washed from trees bordering the stretch of strip mine where the airliner crashed nose-first Sept. 11.

Here is what much of the debris looked like

Originally posted by hooper
Please substantiate your claim that there is information pending that is "normally" released to the public.

Such as?

We can see information on other crime scenes like Flight 800. We can normally get information released through FOIA requests.

Can you not at least admit that there are issues of national security involved which may, just may, hinder "normal" procedures?

Why would their be issues of national security if it was only people flying planes into buildings as the official story states?

reply to post by REMISNE

We can see information on other crime scenes like Flight 800. We can normally get information released through FOIA requests.

Such as?

Originally posted by hooper
Such as?

Serial numbers for parts.

The FAA has refused to release serial numbers for the parts for the planes on 9/11 from FOIA requests.

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by hooper
Such as?

Serial numbers for parts.

The FAA has refused to release serial numbers for the parts for the planes on 9/11 from FOIA requests.

And how do you know that they have these things? I mean, I am being told by someone else on this board that the crashes, particurlaly the one at the Pentagon was so all consuming that it complete destroyed every last microscopic piece of organic remains of those aboard and therefore eliminating even the remote possibility of DNA evidence, yet somehow you are absolutely sure that intact left legible serial numbers from very specific parts of the plane intact.

Originally posted by hooper
And how do you know that they have these things? I mean, I am being told by someone else on this board that the crashes, particurlaly the one at the Pentagon was so all consuming that it complete destroyed every last microscopic piece of organic remains of those aboard and therefore eliminating even the remote possibility of DNA evidence, yet somehow you are absolutely sure that intact left legible serial numbers from very specific parts of the plane intact.

If the fire was hot enough to destroy the plane it would have destroyed DNA evidence NOT THE ENTIRE BODIES.

Oh but what about the so called photos of parts in the Pentagon all the people that believe the official story keep preaching about? People have stated on here that there were tons of parts and debris at the Pentagon.

reply to post by REMISNE

If the fire was hot enough to destroy the plane it would have destroyed DNA evidence NOT THE ENTIRE BODIES.

You need to investigate some very basic science. Very basic. You realize that they managed to lift DNA from the saliva on an envlope supposedly delivered by Jack the Ripper?

I can't think of a way that you could destroy all the DNA in a body yet not destroy the body.

Originally posted by hooper
You need to investigate some very basic science. Very basic.

I think you do. You do know that heat destroys DNA evidence?

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by REMISNE

 

You need to investigate some very basic science. Very basic. You realize that they managed to lift DNA from the saliva on an envlope supposedly delivered by Jack the Ripper?

Sorry for off topic but there are so many things wrong with this statement but is irrelevent to post ! Suffice to say i think your getting your 'ripper' cases mixed up ! If you keep making mistakes like this people will think you can make mistakes pertaining to the case you are arguing ?

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by hooper
You need to investigate some very basic science. Very basic.

I think you do. You do know that heat destroys DNA evidence?

I am sorry, if you think there is some kind of heat that would destroy the DNA but leave the cell intact then you really do need to do some basic science education.