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Originally posted by john124
reply to post by JaxonRoberts
Because of their insistence that a religious belief is surely a fact of nature, and creationists often mis-use and misrepresent science, which is damaging to our species that needs its critical thinkers if we are to evolve beyond tribal warfare.
I would like to see creationists/ID'ers to recognise the above and that neither one religion is better or truer than the rest, and that all faiths are equal and should be equally respected, and possibly kept private or discussed more appropriately without insisting they always have to be right.
But at the moment, I mostly see people squabbling over who's beliefs are true, when none of them have any proof whatsoever. It seems unproductive and nonsensical to argue over a matter that has no scientific evidence to back it up. That doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss speculative issues, but they should remain as that until somebody produces evidence.
[edit on 30-12-2009 by john124]
Your cat basic INSTICT is to survive, logic is not a mechanism for survival it is a tool, whereas instinct is a mechanism instilled in all creatures.
Originally posted by 13579
reply to post by habfan1968
Your cat basic INSTICT is to survive, logic is not a mechanism for survival it is a tool, whereas instinct is a mechanism instilled in all creatures.
and that is were you fail epicaly
logic is what made humans use math we are LOGICAL and so is every LIVING BEING
its a fucntion of being alive..
thats why we are symmetric
you know math? like we INVENTED IT? WRONG
math is the compeont that created humans... we are just trying to understand it..
dumbass
Without creation there is no science and science has yet to explain creation.
Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by habfan1968
Maybe because those who 'believe' this crap, literally, tell people crap like God commands you to kill Gays, or that they commit acts of terrorism like this:
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Or murder like this:
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Or genocide like this:
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or this:
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Or encourage and inspire hate like this:
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Or that they can be easily coerced into the fringe cults and end up like this:
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or this:
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or this:
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Or the sanctioning of child rape in cults like this:
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This is what happens when one says to hell with logic and proof, to hell with thinking for oneself, to hell with questioning that which they are told...
Do you think that any of these people thought this could happen to them? It all started with blind faith... And really that's all you have to base a literal belief in the Bible on, BLIND FAITH! It does not pass the logic test, it does not have a stitch of real evidence to support it, just BLIND FAITH! So you can continue to think that science is conspiring against you... You can continue to have others do your thinking for you... You can continue to live by BLIND FAITH! But in the end, blind faith just leaves you unable to see the endless possibilities and is a waste of a life...
I have no problem with a true Christian, one who tries to live a 'Christlike' existance. Jesus gave a beautiful example of a way to live in this world, regardless of whether or not he was of Divine origin. But I have NEVER seen, met or heard a single Fundamentalist (of which most Christians are not) who was the slightest bit 'Christlike'. In fact, the line between Fundamentalist and Cultist is a fine one indeed!
If I can make even one person question that which they are told to just believe on faith, despite that fact that it lacks any data to support it, then all the crap I'm taking from you all is worth it...
Go out and meet some Christians.
Originally posted by 13579
reply to post by habfan1968
Without creation there is no science and science has yet to explain creation.
yes but you confuse creation with method and function
Man: I feel like a coffee!
coffee: Wow i was created
well yes and no..
Milk: Im milk "hi there"
suger: Hey im suger
Coffee: Hey im coffee hows it going
Hot water: howdy
Man: Hello all !!
BIG BANG : oh # now we are all COFFEE "word"/ "description"
its not about the "man" but the parts that are interacting.. if you focus on the "man" then you do not factor in MILK or SUGER or HOT WATER do you?
blind ingnorance...
Without creation there is no science and science has yet to explain creation.
Originally posted by 13579
reply to post by habfan1968
sure and i was not insulting you "in a way" i was laughing and called you a dumbass in a friendly manner .. so please dont take offence..
if you felt that word i used was not warrented as i laughed i will be more than happy to remove the word and say sorry.. and now i shall show you a logical being that in fact KNOWS what its doing
roll tape!
do you think your really that special?
So if one believes that intelligent design is a possibility
Seen the clip before and interesting as it may be, it is the survival instinct and the need of protection which motivates the octopus to use the coconut, not logic. If logic was to be used the octopus would have just left.