HELLO? Codex Alimentarius? This December 31st people!

reply to post by ChemBreather


Hasn't stopped me yet

Originally posted by malcr

Originally posted by KyoZero
reply to post by dereks

 

I agree...I looked at some of this so called documentation and it is all about supplements...PILLS! not food

So let's ask together...can someone here please show where you get the actual documentation. Don't give me another link about what Joe Blow thinks...I want to see the actual paperwork where people first got the idea that Codex is going to kill us all.

The problem is this whole thing started because of some documentation and yet I haven't seen the official words that people seem to be worrying about

I have however seen alot of what people THINK the Codex is saying and thus far all I see is that the Codex deals with supplements...if that is the case then what are you worried about? They might mess with pills but the last I checked pills do not equal food

...waiting patiently

-Kyo

Now now now please tell me you don't expect some links to real documented proof do you

Paranoia doesn't work like that. You get links to what a.n.other paranoid person said on a.n.other conspiracy site and misquoted cherry picked "proof".

You to admit though that this is one of those times when the paranoid sheep can be shown to be just that. There is not one shred of evidence to support their claims.

Yea obviously the elites are going to 'will a bill' into existence in 3 days -- FROM THERE ITS DOOM, it will go into affect right away and all the nutrients in the world will be gone, we will be forced to eat tasteless cardboardy (a new word) foods with no nutrition.

At least the copenhagen crap had some documentation to it
this one is as mysterious as most ATS users logic centers (*DISCLAIMER* I'm not talking about you*)

I have heard of Codex A and whilst the concept is shocking, I remain slightly skeptical.

The whole 3 billion deaths thing is a speculative number pinch from the air.

What I will do, since Vitamin C has been highlighted, is buy a carton of orange juice this evening and then again in a weeks time. If the second carton has less orange juice then I will consider Codex A in full force

Just thought i'd mention, Codex Alimentarius is on torrent for more immediate viewing, considerations and perusal of the material mentioned.
[Of course, purchase copy if you can at some later point.]

Downloading this myself now, sounds interesting, indeed.


thepiratebay.org...

Samantha Fox's, last on list, is the better option as she's trusted, as per skull & Xbone icon, though first on list has more seeds it seems different material regarding same.

[edit on 29-12-2009 by DeltaPan]

I can't believe some of the rhetoric posted on here by the debunkers. They usually use extreme wording to attempt to make the CT people sound silly, while the CTers actually have a valid argument or at least the seeds of one. This reminds me of one fact which greatly annoys me on this site, by the way, which is that the people who squawk the loudest or most sarcastically and get the most sensational get too much attention for their posts (or they think they do), while the quiet good points get ignored. Kind of like the MSM, for which ATS is supposed to be an alternative.

Anyway, I logged in to post my 2 cents, which is that this is indeed a serious development, even if the nutrient situation doesn't do a 180 overnight. Who would think it's not important because it doesn't happen overnight? Must we really pay attention to debunkers who try to distract from the *big picture*?

The solution to our current increasing predicament is not as easy as to tell everyone to grow their own food. Not everyone can do that, and not everyone has land on which to grow food, anyway. So I guess we're not to care about the minority (or majority? I think right now a minority) of people who are left to die because of a convergence of circumstances initiated by the elite, right? As long as some of us can supposedly take care of ourselves and overcome all of these situations, then we're to look the other way when the PTB get away with little things here or there that disempower us (some more than others, depending on their other assets in life) in so many ways, and especially our health.

If you consider the restrictions put on farming and natural seeds and food-growing, and the general lower quality of soil nowadays, then you can see that naturally-grown food will have less nutrition than typically-healthy homegrown food. So our supplements will become more and more important to us. If the PTB controls our supplements the way they are already doing by insanely raising the price of echinacea in Norway, then we are in big trouble when we don't have medicine or nutrients of our own and have to depend on the dysfunctional medical system to get well. We're not just talking vitamins and minerals, we're talking herbs. Even people who grow their own food still need *medicine* from time to time. We cannot afford to lose access to natural medicines. So add to this the H1N1-type germs appearing, and you get more disastrous scenarios without people having the time under crisis to stop and ask why this is all happening. There's not just one cause to the problem, of course. So you can't negate the seriousness of this development by claiming we are claiming one single thing will ruin us all. This just could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

That's all I have to say for now. And I will not engage in pointless arguments with anyone here, or waste hours upon hours digging up proof for you. I've got other things to do, and have spent enough time getting up to speed on various aspects of this topic, in the first place.

And I don't know what we are to do about it, other than complain loudly and in large number and asap. The U.S. is exempt at the moment by virtue of DHSEA, which, if reversed, would eventually yes "doom" my country as well.

Don't forget the boiling frog metaphor, people. Slow is the way to pull off something like what the OP claims is happening. And I'm not fully convinced of what exactly all the larger plans may be, but I have an idea and it's not looking like our best interests are entirely under consideration here.

[edit on 29-12-2009 by invernal]

Hi,

I just happened to read that Indian Council of medical Research is working on draft probiotics and deadline for public submission is 1 jan 2010 ?

Conclusion:The indian version of Codex Alimentarius is slowly creeping and people dont even know it.

A background

According to wiki definition of Probiotics
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Probiotics are live microorganisms thought to be healthy for the host organism. According to the
currently adopted definition by FAO/WHO, probiotics are: "Live microorganisms which when
administered in adequate amounts confer a health benefit on the host".[1] Lactic acid bacteria (LAB)
and bifidobacteria are the most common types of microbes used as probiotics; but certain yeasts and
bacilli may also be helpful. Probiotics are commonly consumed as part of fermented foods with
specially added active live cultures; such as in yogurt, soy yogurt, or as dietary supplements.
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Looking up wiki on Dietary supplements

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A dietary supplement, also known as food supplement or nutritional supplement, is a preparation
intended to provide nutrients, such as vitamins, minerals, fiber, fatty acids or amino acids, that are
missing or are not consumed in sufficient quantity in a person's diet.
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The Draft proposal is available at
www.icmr.nic.in...

All ATS members do share and spread this info as much as possible,our basic food intake might be at risk

reply to post by george_gaz


there is only one problem with your theory. what if they replace the missing orange juice with water and substitute added flavor

lol ok seriously they have been taking nutrients out of food for years and pumping growth hormones into chicken and cattle for year. when i buy my take away i have no delusions as to the toxins chemicals and poisons im ingesting. WHY??? Because i dont care anymore, EM radiation from phones and all other sorts of electrics. Pollution from factories, smoking, cars and all the rest of the crap be breath in. Not to mention genetically modified food. What? you thought you were going to live forever in a self destructive society like this. Dream on.

We are helpless to the point of retardation. TPTB can do whatever the hell they want because we let them and we let them because we are too lazy to change. We as a race are doomed might as well get comfortable.

I thank America for 2 things Hollywood movies that keep me distracted from the fact that we are getting raped hard and fast food that makes me feel better after i realize i have been done over and there is nothing i can do about it.

Thank you Uncle Sam the rest of the world may hate you but i like you.

reply to post by TiM3LoRd


Sorry I am not in a position to applaude you so my little star will have to suffice for now, well said.

reply to post by dereks


No they can't because it isn't in there.
There is no possible way to ban ppl from growing their own food in their own gardens.
Millios would do it and it would take trillions of $$ to and millions of personel to police such a law world wide.
Governments would go broke trying to uphold such a law.
Even id all the seed stock in stores was substituted, like I said in an ealier post, one can always find un-tampered seed growing wild and use those instead.
Wild game cannot be tampered with.
It would be a huge waste of resources for any government to try and implement such a program...!!

reply to post by Ironclad


yes but you see they may engineer the seeds too

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[edit on 30-12-2009 by soot black]

reply to post by Ironclad


and nothing is too expensive for the people who control the u.n

Well when we are talking about negative consequences of genetically modified cereal crop species which some seem convinced will be an inevitable outcome, reversal of crop sterilisation fallout from engineered pollen is easily achieved.

There are seed banks of practically everything botanical thus discovered being finalised, i'm sure you've heard about it in recent news over the years.

It's taking time to collate more exotic species of plants and bank their seeds but mainstream plants are all in them already.

In closed greenhouses, healthy seed stock can be obtained from common cereal crop seeds kept safe in case of global harms somehow affect crops.

Pollen dies after showers of rain and any remaining lose potency in a short time exposed to season changes.

So if something awful did occur with genetically modded crops, i'm darned sure not all will be lost and the status quo reinstated within a year, any traces of a crop, experiment or otherwise, which somehow contaminated non modified crops and caused sterility etc could easily be turned around in the amount of time it takes to grow to ripe seed stock of stable crops in controlled environments to a couple of generations thus giving the necessary number of unaffected seed by the state affected and have them distributed to farmers, who could then easily return to growing seed stock for next generations etc, completely reversing any damage caused by modification, If it happens.

I'm actually very pro genetic modification, somewhere where i part from many fellow pagans who idealise to more natural means but i see it as simply being realistic to global food demands which are forever increasing and solving such problems has no room for such ideals as conventional crop plant yields are not sufficient especially when wanting to include Ethanol as an alternative to fossil fuels which is a necessity as much as imperative, so too is genetic modification in my most humble opinion. But then i am Neopagan in more senses than one.

The consequences cited, if they do occur, can be easily reversed in little more than a year, we would all survive that long, those who wouldn't be perishing anyways had a modified crop crisis for some sort hadn't occurred, obviously.

But until that does occur, if it does at all, there's a global food crisis approaching and genetic modification is the answer.

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As far as what the "codex" is concerned.

Adults are a lot less affected, myself am hardy enough to be pretty resilient to negative effects of our processed foods and such.

Most adults are, with rises in such foods cited though, it's kids i feel sorry for, same as additives in budget foods acts as stimulants on them.

Had a friend years ago with 2 kids, one around 8 the younger about 5.

both good as gold and well behaved, but she didn't give the younger of the two any cheapo Fish Fingers, Orange drinks or sweets with additives because it made him turn into a bad tempered kid screaming and demanding, fighting with his brother all sorts.

I was 18 myself and didn't believe the kid could be like that just by eating cheap Fish Fingers, so she gave him some for lunch one weekend and within an hour his behaviours had changed like she said, running around shouting and acting crazy with his brother, pinching and wanting to fight, went to bed himself at a regular time most nights but she couldn't settle him down that night for toffee, like the kid was on amphetamines with a right strop it was.

That's the worst i've ever seen addtive sensitivity myself but i know some processed foods are deadly, in how they affect us, our hormones, create free radicals and bad for our systems in many ways etc and no child should be affected adversely by food.

By adulthood, i'd suggest only a diet of nothing but processed junk foods etc would be that bad for people and indeed is very bad as we see all the time especially in obesity terms, most adults only eating processed a few times weekly are fine, but kids who are developing humans being fed processed crap for any regular period i suggest has had adverse effects some severe in some parts of the world and will continue to do so the more foodstuffs are processed and eked out because of profits and consumer demands, the poorer people are, the worst their diets are because of processing meaning cheap, poorer families children suffer the most.

Whatever we adults eat, our kids should have as natural a food we can give them, not junk and processed, keep that to grown adults 18 years plus.

It's a government and state responsibility to ensure younger generations are as healthy a potential as can be realised, a responsibility which isn't given enough efforts especially in times when society is affected at the lower echelons by a bad global recession.

I'm sure all members of the UN assembly could do a great deal more, a great many citizens of every state would agree, i'd hazard.

Especially if members get rid of strategic thermonuclear arms systems and stop pointless wars and domestic wars on drugs which all only ever create a vast cost in human life and cost in monetary terms, without that lot, more could be done everywhere else.

That and major corporations told to get real in the amount of profits they demand from providing to the consumer demands, from superstore/market mnanagers to the governing boards of directors in the food industries, by the global government socialists, which is the strongest Hegelian axis currently.

However they may profit elsewhere especially with sundries and luxury's etc, retailers and boards of directors etc should not be allowed to profit so much for what are dietary necessities, as mentioned, not everyone can grow their own food and farm their own livestock, society shouldn't suffer profiteeering when it comes to food, period.

It should be made a UN mandate, no profiteering through foodstuffs!

Especially when it comes to families and their kids, who are the future.

But all that's preaching to the choir, innit mate.

Peace.


[edit on 30-12-2009 by DeltaPan]

reply to post by the_denv


The above post is my post I posted on the 5th page. It contains links regarding December 31st and diluted drinks.

Now for the main reason I am posting this post. Below is a video that I found on Youtube. Im just posting this because it is more information, weather or not the video has a lot of rants regarding other subjects. I have nothing to do with the video, I have my own beliefs...just letting you see what I seen that is all:

why are we arguing over something that is not going into effect yet?

Rima Liabow one of the first people to pin december 31st 09 as the implemenation date has now said that it's not going into effect that day

quote from her blog

"Codex Alimentaruis will NOT go into global implementaiton December 31st 2009 but it is far from dead"

not to mention the fact a 5 year old could figure out that this conspiracy theroy is bullplop

Originally posted by '___'omino
reply to post by ChemBreather

 

Hasn't stopped me yet

Good, dont let them control you !
Water is for all, I petty the fool thinking they can claim nature as their property like that, it belongs to all of us..

Originally posted by charizard1993
why are we arguing over something that is not going into effect yet?

Rima Liabow one of the first people to pin december 31st 09 as the implemenation date has now said that it's not going into effect that day

quote from her blog

"Codex Alimentaruis will NOT go into global implementaiton December 31st 2009 but it is far from dead"

not to mention the fact a 5 year old could figure out that this conspiracy theroy is bullplop

I found a page with a list of things related to this..
I havent found any Surten links on that Codex has 'halted' completely,but Im looking.

Page here

Codex Alimentarius takes a step back on Nutrient Reference Values
November 2-6, 2009, the 31st Session of the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses (CCNFSDU) met in Dusseldorf, Germany to continue its work in developing standards for global nutrition. Some 260 delegates were in attendance, comprised of various countries’ functionaries and international non-governmental organizations (INGOs) representatives...

Projected Food supplement ban in 2010 may contravene EU law
The Alliance for Natural Health said it was mystified why sulphur was excluded from the list of allowed minerals when the Directive already allowed a number of sulphate salts of minerals, all of which delivered sulphur to the body. The continued exclusion of sulphur means that key supplemental forms of sulphur, such as MSM (methyl-sulfonyl-methane) that is used to support, among other things, healthy joints, skin, nails and energy levels, cannot be properly legitimised in the EU.

Ahh, seek and ye shall find !

Vitamin Lawyer Health Freedom Blog

The New Year means new opportunities for Health and Freedom!

Due to comments in Dr. Laibow's extraordinary 2005 video, Nutricide*, people are asking us if "Codex will be effective in the US this month, December 2009?"

It remains true that Codex continues on its merry way... but always delayed by our Push Back!

Those who think they rule the world have many plans to control our lives; not all of them succeed. So far the original intent of Codex to be fully in place with regard to nutrients by the end of this year is clearly delayed... by years, and we hope forever!

FDA continues to pursue its policy of HARMonizing our freedoms to Codex's restrictions, as it announced its policy to "harmonize with international regulations even when not finalized..." in the Federal Register in October 1995.

So, maybe R.Laibow has done a good job and rather than talking crap about persons standing up and speaking out, we should get her Roses rather than trash talk.. And, maybe this 'delay' is just because of people like US talking and spreading the Word that is actually 'stalling' the Rockefeller/Rothchilds Agenda, right ! ???

Well, anyways , we can start the new year without being worrid about the Nutricide hanging over our sholder, atleast so it 'seems'..

Happy New Year...

But it still doesn't change the fact that this is all about supplements and not our food...just like chemtrails I am not worried about this one iota

-Kyo

As many in the "know" realize, this is crap. And for someone to say that It would be illegal to grow your own food or for the "organic " producers to be arrested in any way is comical. That alone would begin a civil war. But this is a site where anyone with a 1/4 brain can post and do so, blindly. But As they always say" If it's not at AboveTopSecret.com, then it probably doesn't matter". so, may the weeding process begin.

Couldn't agree more...people stretch for 'truths'

-Kyo