Christianity to control the masses?! [rant]

So Satan wakes up in the morning and says to his demons: "Listen up boys, today we're gonna make a few more religions, after that we find a kid and get him to stamp on a few frogs. And I think it's about time guy from number 56 cheated on his wife. Right get to it!"

Geez he really needs a girlfriend. If God had made Satina as well maybe the guy would give us a break!

Originally posted by Faceless
Geez he really needs a girlfriend. If God had made Satina as well maybe the guy would give us a break!

Even though your post made me laugh, Satan and demons are reality and they should not be taken lightly.
Through history Satan has become an Icon from fairytales, just like Santa and the easter bunny, and that's exactly what Satan wants to be, for he knows he can influence humans best when they underestimate him, or even think he does not exist.
Satan does not "create all evil" in this world, most evil is result of humans and their freedom of choice. Satan and the "things" that are on his side have one main goal: keeping as many people as possible from discovering God and accepting the sacrafice Jesus made.
Satan is smarter than any of us, and his experience with humans is beyond what we can understand.
Unlike God, Satan can not see our thoughts, he can only see our actions and hear our speech.
God can be in all places at the same time, but Satan and demons can only be in one place at the same time.
God is righteous and therefore bound to his own rules and promises, where Satan is a deceiving liar, and not bound to his own rules or promises.
God does not stand on the same level as Satan, because God created Satan. Why can God not destroy Satan?
We do not know the rules that God has for the angels He creates, but obviously destroying satan before a certain point in time is against his own rules, so destroying satan would make God not righteous.
This also explains why Satan is bound by rules in a way as well.
Satan may not have his own promise or rules to stick to, He is still under the rules that God made for all angels.
With rules I am not talking about rules as in a lawbook, but more like the rules we are bound to when we live in this universe.
Just like we can not go faster than the speed of light, and just like we are bound to gravity and all the other laws in our universe, the devil is bound by certain laws as well.
In the spiritual world, a lot is based on "rights".
If demons do not have the right to bother you, then they can not bother you. Sometimes humans can give demons rights to parts of their live, by sinning or by exploring occultism or paranormal games, among other things.
These rights can be taken away from Satan/demons, by prayer and by telling such a demon that because of what Jesus did for us, there is no sin left to base his rights on.
Demons can not read your minds, so in this case you would have to speak to the demon to tell it to get lost.
Hmm, I could go on explaining more, but I'm not sure wether this will even be read. ;+)

[Edited on 25-5-2004 by Jakko]

Originally posted by Jakko

Demons can not read your minds

[Edited on 25-5-2004 by Jakko]

I do believe demons exist and I do believe there is a God (of sorts), what I don't believe is the Christian view of things.

However demons CAN read our minds thats a FACT.

[Edited on 25-5-2004 by Faceless]

Originally posted by Faceless
However demons CAN read our minds thats a FACT.

Well it depends.
As I said demons are bound to laws and rights, and when you give a demon the right to mess with your mind, they will be able to know or influence what your thoughts are.
But in a "normal" situation demons can not know what you think, only the one who designed and created humans from the ground up knows you well enough to see what you think, God.
But I guess since satan has been around since the beginning of mankind, he and his "angels" have become quite good at finding out what you think, based on what you say, and what you do. (and what you're looking at, and all kinds of "body language" we have not even found out about)

[Edited on 25-5-2004 by Jakko]

My personal belief is that, the world was simultaneously endowed with human life, on several continents. Shortly thereafter (within a few centuries at most), the Sons of God came to earth. This advent marked the beginnings of "human civilization" taught to them by the Sons of God, which sprang up almost simultaneously around the entire world (check sources - the timeline is accurate. At the same time civilization sprang up in South America and Egypt, it also sprang up in India, Japan and ..Sumeria. Sumeria being the oldest human civilization on the planet, and the location of the "Garden of Eden" in the scriptures).

All of these human colonies, as it were, were all given the same information originally, which was then modified a few centuries later by the Sons of God, who were themselves Fallen Angels. Time, various floods, the tendency of the victors in wars to rewrite history to fit their interpretation or world view, caused the original message to be vastly different, like whispering a bit of gossip in a person's ear at a party, and they whisper it to someone else, and so on, until it gets back to the original person who doesn't even recognize it as the same words he spoke with only the occassional similarity. It's in our similarities where the first truths lie. Those ancients who kept huge records, oral and written, have the most claim to the truth as it was originally told. Among these are the ancient egyptians, the ancient hebrews, the ancient sumerians, the ancients of india, the ancients of mayan and incan civilization.

The real clincher is finding the truth in all these stories, myths, legends and religions, buried, erased and changed by time, historical error, falsehood and natural disaster. Where the story is the same, you can bet yer bottom dollar, it's the truth, as there's no way civilizations from thousands of years ago, separated by thousands of miles of land and/or ocean, could've had the same types of experiences and the same messages about those experiences - there was simply no mass communication, no way to share, compare and contrast. And what further complicates the equation is the addition of the false religions introduced by the Fallen Angels. (This is all very biblical, btw. I've also traced it to pretty much every ancient civilization known to humanity - Quetzacoatl was a Son of God and a Fallen Angel. for example). Where the records agree, there is no lie.



[Edited on 25-5-2004 by Undomiel]

The real clincher is finding the truth in all these stories, myths, legends and religions, buried, erased and changed by time, historical error, falsehood and natural disaster. Where the story is the same, you can bet yer bottom dollar, it's the truth, as there's no way civilizations from thousands of years ago, separated by thousands of miles of land and/or ocean, could've had the same types of experiences and the same messages about those experiences - there was simply no mass communication, no way to share, compare and contrast. And what further complicates the equation is the addition of the false religions introduced by the Fallen Angels. (This is all very biblical, btw. I've also traced it to pretty much every ancient civilization known to humanity - Quetzacoatl was a Son of God and a Fallen Angel. for example). Where the records agree, there is no lie.

Or seeing that the previous had accomplished so much with these myths, controlled and stabalized the populace of thier respected communities, decided it was best to " copy-cat " these mythos and add thier own twist.

You also forget the antropological aspect.

Deep

Oh just to prevent the topic from going on the paganism/mithraism tour again:

Paganism:
www.comereason.org...

Mithraism:
www.comereason.org...

These people believed the same or exceedingly similar things, long before the advent of ocean or air going transportation for that matter, and long before fast communication - not even pony express . How is it the inca had similar beliefs to the hebrews, for example, during a time when ocean going vessels capable of crossing the atlantic didn't exist, according to recorded history. And why then was it modified by the arrival of beings of Light and/or "the gods" in almost every instance? In Sumeria, there was An, Ki, Enlil (later known as Ba'al), in South America there was Quetzacoatl, in Egypt there was Osiris, etc. Ba'al was a Son of God and a Fallen Angel as was Quetzacoatl. (just briefly skimming) They all had the same knowledge originally but it was modified by the arrival of the Fallen Angels, who taught the people civilization and false religions (these events are found in the Dead Sea Scrolls: Book of Enoch and Book of Giants, the Bible, and even in some egyptian hieroglyphics and papyri, and in the cuneiform history of Sumeria and the tales of the inca.) Here's an excerpt from one such inca tale:

THE NATIVES OF THIS LAND affirm that in the beginning, and before this world was created, there was a being called Viracocha. He created a dark world without sun, moon or stars. Owing to this creation he was named Viracocha Pachayachachi, which means "Creator of all things." And when he had created the world he formed a race of giants of disproportioned greatness (my note: the offspring of the Sons of God - et.al, false religion infiltrated the inca at this point, as well as civilization) painted and sculptured, to see whether it would be well to make real men of that size. He then created men in his likeness as they are now; and they lived in darkness. - VIRACOCHA AND THE COMING OF THE INCAS from "History of the Incas" by Pedro Sarmiento De Gamboa, translated by Clements Markham, Cambridge: The Hakluyt Society 1907, pp. 28-58.
www.sacred-texts.com...

That was the established oral history of the inca, prior to and following the arrival of the Sons of God/Fallen Angels and/or Zecharia Sitchin's "Aliens" that he calls the "Annunaki." So using his Annunaki reference, and based on the stories of Ancient Sumerian events (being the oldest civilization) a global timetable can be established

To follow this arrival, all one has to do is look at the timetable for arrival of these ancient civilizations:


The Antediluvian Timetable of Mesopatamian Civilization

Ubaid 5000-3500 B.C.
Uruk 3500-3100 B.C.
Jemdet Nasr 3100-2900 B.C. Annunaki (Sons of God) arrive
Early Dynastic I-III 2900-2350 B.C.

The Antediluvian Timetable of Ancient Egyptian Civilization:

Predynastic until 3000
Archaic 3000 -- 2700 Annunaki (Sons of God) arrive
OLD KINGDOM 2700 -- 2200

The Antediluvian Timetable of Nubia Civilization:

3000 to 2350 Annunaki (Sons of God) arrive

The Antediluvian Timetable of Chinese Civilization:

2637 to 2350 Annunaki (Sons of God) arrive

The Antediluvian Timetable of Indian (India) Civilization:

3000 to 2350 Annunaki (Sons of God) arrive

There's several interesting stories that ufo-logists attribute to the arrival of these Ancient "Aliens", which correlate with the arrival of the Sons of God in the Book of Enoch. There was, however, an older truth than those of the Sons of God.

Some people get tripped up at the arrival point of Sons of God, thinking that these ancient "gods" were either fictitious, were aliens, or were real gods. Well, that is both wrong and right in my opinion, as they were real, but they were not gods, they were Sons of God in their Fallen State - they left their first estate (or if you believe Sitchin, they "fell" to earth (landed on earth). They came down to the earth, according to scripture and not only developed civilization (along with all its trappings) but also modified the human genome by breeding with humans, creating a race of modified humans with superior strength, stature and so on (think Gilgamesh, Goliath, etc). These were the "giants" referred to in antediluvian times also, as well as the source of vampire tales, tales of Hercules and the ilk. Think of all the countless tales of the "gods" having sex with humans - the list is huge. Zeus spent so much time banging human females in the ancient tales, half of Europe should've been his descendants. These were not entirely fictional in my opinion. I think the events actually happened, and the stories were just presented from the cultural perspective of the time and place, and modified with age, natural disaster and so on. Heck, even Merlin was supposedly the offspring of the "gods."

Think about it.

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Undomiel]

Christianity to control the masses?!
well yah, why do you think it was created! Over jews christians tried the same brainwashing techniques Hitler used and the US uses today!

Arrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Christianity was not created to control the masses.
Orthodox Christianity was created to control them.

Big difference.

I thought it would probably be pertinent here to mention that the following information:

Much of anti-judaic and anti-christian literature is based on the accepted orthodox view of both of those religions. However, to accept the orthodox version, you have to literally throw away thousands of years of established history, AND important sacred texts such as The Book of Enoch, which I might add was quoted from by the apostles themselves. If THEY thought it was worthy of quoting, and if the Book of Enoch was found along with the Torah in the earthen jars containing the "Dead Sea Scrolls," then obviously the ancient hebrews and apostles believed these books to be "worthy" sacred texts. Orthodoxy, by denying the validity of such books, essentially tosses out the baby with the bath water, as these books help to establish the validity of Elohiym and the falsehood of Ba'al - 2 big contenders for the hearts and souls of the ancient mespotamians (sumerians - eventually known as the ancient hebrews and the babylonians, etc)!

For example, Zecharia Sitchin, who claims that we are here due to aliens, has based his theories on similar evidence but he gets tripped up on the introduction of the "Sons of God", and as a result his findings go far astream of even historical context in many cases. Let's take for example, his "Annunaki" listed in the ancient Sumerian cuneiform tablets. These "first gods" of Sumeria were called "An", "Ki" and "Enlil." Some religions, think that "An" and "Ki" were the creator god and goddess of this planet - Sitchin takes this same ball and runs with it, claiming that they were aliens who used their knowledge of genetics to artificially create life and implant it and enslaved the same to dig for gold. This is not so, as I'm about to establish.

Here is also where other the splinter groups break off such as theosophy and they get entangled in the search for the "aryan" offspring of the "gods." The caucasian offspring of the gods may have very well been the "nephilim" offspring of the Sons of God (fallen angels), but they most certainly were not purely human - they might've been demi-gods of a sort, yes, but that was exactly the problem! I know you will remember when it says in the scriptures that God destroyed the earth with a flood as a result of events transpiring at the time, among which was the introduction of the Sons of God/ Fallen angels, false religion, idol worship, and so on. Noah was deemed worthy it says, because he was PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS. It doesn't say he was perfect in his soul. It doesn't say he was perfect in his spirit. He was perfect in his generations, meaning he was a human being - no Sons of God/Fallen Angel/Annunaki DNA.

Unfortunately, white supremacists use this information and invert it so that the caucasians are the pure humans and the jews are the offspring of the Annunaki. Not so, as white-skinned caucasians would not be naturally found in Mesopotamia - they might be supplanted by the Sons of God/Annunaki/Fallen Angels by mixing of their DNA with human DNA, perhaps, but not naturally born and bred to survive the climate of the area! We're talking about an near equatorial location. Also unfortunately, this "mixing" thing is what inspired the "pure race" theology of the Nazis, who took the original story and turned it on its ear, taking scripture that was meant to depict the dark-skinned and olive-skinned people of mesopatamia, and applied it to the caucasian race! When it was in reality, the complete opposite case. Because orthodoxy refuses to accept what they refer to as "pseudopigraphical" books and its associated proofs in history and archaeology, they unwittingly assist in the falsehood. They glean proponents in "orthodox" science, by insisting that evolution proves their theory, as they believe the jews were descendants of monkeys, whereas caucasians were planted here by God! When in fact, the "God" they refer to is not Elohiym at all but the Sons of God/Fallen Angels, such as Ba'al, for example.

Sadly, due to generations of infighting, the arabic people who share a common mesopatamian heritage with the jews, have been convinced that they are somehow genetically more correct than the jews, and therefore more worthy of "Allah" than the jews. If you've not encountered it yet, try having a conversation with a white supremacist about the arabic people, and even THEY will support the arab before the jew. Why? The arabic people are from mesopatamia, the same place as the jews, in fact, they're related! They are dark-skinned and olive-skinned, just like the ancient jews and not the caucasians. The pivot for this is the gods of ancient sumeria and Babylon. There's a dividing line based on who the Sons of God were. If indeed Enlil (who can be traced to "Allah") is "Ba'al", I give you three guesses why there's a huge line being drawn in the sand. And the first 2 don't count!



[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Undomiel]

but regular christianity is just a changed stem of orthodox christianity. therefor it applies to all.

Originally posted by cma
but regular christianity is just a changed stem of orthodox christianity. therefor it applies to all.

What kind of logic is this?
Define "regular christianity" compared to "orthodox christianity".

I beg to differ with your logic. read above posts for more "backup" on my ideas.

What posts are you talking about here?
Your first post in this tread was:

Originally posted by cma
Christianity to control the masses?!
well yah, why do you think it was created! Over jews christians tried the same brainwashing techniques Hitler used and the US uses today!

A very dared, unexplained comparison between "jews christians" (is that a mix?), Hitler and "the US" (that's a lot of people) regarding brainwashing, that does not only fail to explain your point, but also makes you look quite ignorant.

Originally posted by Jakko
that does not only fail to explain your point, but also makes you look quite ignorant.

Oh sir, get to YOUR point because i beg to differ.

For the record, I'm a caucasian christian, born again, baptized in a swimming pool (heh), bible thumping, christian. But I also study ALOT, and I'm not above giving credit where credit is due.

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Undomiel]

500 years bc

there where people in greece etc who claim to have known that their gods existed also , just like in 2500 years time there will be new gods around as the times change and the current god "trend" wears out and another "im scared to die lets create an imaginary after death religion" pops up

what proof do you have over greek mythology to say your religion is the correct one? you have the same proof as they did - zilch

pure faith , and yet your correct and they arent ?

Who are you addressing your question to?

to share certain views and opinions, not otherwise expressed, or implied in this thread.

For example, if your soul is worth more than the dollars in your bank account, then you need take time to learn the truth. Don't expect others to come runnning your way proclaiming the way to heaven.

Governments do indeed fear the truth. When was the last time a judge ruled in favor of a party who cited the Bible? Won't happen, not in America. Lawyers (politicians) have written laws to assert the judiciaries honor, diginity, diligence, and honesty and God has no say (hehehe).

But lawyers have no problem sueing God. The last case I found was in 1940 when a man sued God for all the needless suffering he was put through. BTW, the judge ruled in favor of the plaintiff in that case.

G