Could Our Universe Be Fake?

I've had a gnawing question at the back of my mind lately that I just can't seem to resolve or dismiss as mere fancy. What if what we perceive as our entire universe is fake? For example, many of us (myself included) voice open distrust and disdain for NASA, JPL, our governments, etc. and have spent many hours and multiple threads discussing airbrushing of moon and Mars photos. However, I've noticed lately whenever Hubble, SOHO, etc. releases photos or information about other planets, the sun, our galaxy, other galaxies, extra-solar planets and moons, etc. that many of us automatically trust that information to be accurate. Why do we do this? Wouldn't it stand to reason that if NASA would lie to us about the moon and Mars that they wouldn't lie, or at least not reveal the complete truth, about everything else? Why do we not accept old information but openly embrace new information? Is it because we have more faith in 'new' technology because it allows us to see further and to see images more clearly? Isn't this new technology still being used by the same people who many of us feel may be keeping vital information from us? At what point, can we know that anything being told or shown to us about our cosmos is real? Does anyone else feel this way, or is it just me?



[edit on 21-12-2009 by gazerstar]

Hi Gazerstar, I agree with you that NASA shouldn't be trusted without any verification. As for is the universe fake? Who knows? I'm convinced modern science doesn't understand most of it.

Your post made me think of Phillip José Farmer's "World of Tiers" series of books (my favourite!). In it, our universe is artificial and actually stops just beyond the orbit of Pluto. Everything beyond is images on a backdrop.

I do remember seeing a thread here that says the universe is a hologram

I don't think it matters if our world is fake or not - we still have to live here and we still have to face wars, starvation, torture and all the other obscenities human do to each other.

Maybe it is just a nightmare?

You mean like a giant version of The Truman Show, but just involving ALL of us?

hmmm, interesting theory. Wonder how "they" would pull that one off?

When I was a kid, I use to wonder if we were in a giant snow-dome, & that all the storms & earthquakes were created by a person shaking us around!! lol!!

Anyway, how would we ever know................

You shouldn't trust Newton's or Einstein's theories of gravity either. They are just trying to keep you down. It is therefore quite safe to climb atop your house and dive off head first. Go ahead. Gravity is just a lie.

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I don't believe the universe is fake. What it is though, I have no idea

I am almost willing to bet that the information that is dismissed doesn't agree with their beliefs, while the information taken on board, when even from the same source, agrees with what they believe.

If you want to believe (or disbelieve), then you will find things to back up whatever you want to believe/disbelieve.

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Dont you ever look up at the sky at night YOURSELF?

Lets say youve bought some new shoes and they are white, and you have a close friend, but he always lies to you. Then the friend says "Hey, your shoes are white", then would you belive him him or not? Even though he always lies to you, you see for yourself doncha?

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But it could all be make-believe.

Who cares if we are real or make-believe? We still have to go through the process of living.

Originally posted by TaraLou
I don't think it matters if our world is fake or not

Agree

we still have to live here and we still have to face wars, starvation, torture and all the other obscenities human do to each other.

Agree

Maybe it is just a nightmare?

I don't believe that is the correct way of seeing our reality. I would like to think that it is more like a school. Everybody is here to learn. And wether you like it or not, you will learn the lesson!!
No matter how many lives it takes for you to learn a certain thing, evetually you will learn and move on to an other reality for a new lesson.

Now i am going to enjoy my coffee and wake up first because it is way to early for these kinds of questions...

Peace

Oh and gazerstar, star and flag for the thread!!

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I agree with the OP to a point. Good science relies on verification from multiple sources. Any time some amateur astronomer spots some previously unknown body, such as an asteroid, in the sky, he or she validates their findings with other observers. However, because of the monopoly of sorts that NASA and the US government has on so much of what is viewed in space (If there are other telescopes, satellites, and tools employed by other countries which are as powerful as what NASA uses, I'm not aware of them), especially deep space, how many other means of validation are there for what they claim? That's what I find troubling. There is no way of knowing for certain whether or not they are telling the truth, half truths, or outright misleading information.

Originally posted by TheNetherlands
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Dont you ever look up at the sky at night YOURSELF?

Lets say youve bought some new shoes and they are white, and you have a close friend, but he always lies to you. Then the friend says "Hey, your shoes are white", then would you belive him him or not? Even though he always lies to you, you see for yourself doncha?

Yes. Of course, I can see what I am able to see (or think I see) from a distance. I'm talking about all the up close photos and areas of the universe that we are unable to see with our naked eye. I'm talking about areas 'seen' by only a handful of people from whom we, the public, receive and are led to accept all information as gospel truth.

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Everyone is here to learn, you say.

What about the murdered babies - why are they here? I am talking about war, starvation, abortion, etc.


And what can starving people learn?

Can you tell me why babies are born to die soon?

Oh yes, there is a very good book I think you would find very interesting to read. I read it twice so far, might read it again for the heck of it. In my opinion. I think the universe is and it isn’t and please don’t ask me to explain that, I can’t, well I can try but I’m not going too. I know a lot of truth, real truth can be found by Astral Travel. I trust and believe a lot of sciences but I also think and know some science is wrong but they go to great lengths to make the figures work. Anyone can do that, for anything. Unfortunately scientists do this because their egos just can’t be wrong and some people just can’t handle the truth. What matters most is the experience we go through in living in it and what we learn from it and how we are shaped from it! Anyway the book is called. “The Holographic Universe” By Michael Talbot. Just a great read and very thought provoking book. Enjoy.

Originally posted by TaraLou
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Everyone is here to learn, you say.

What about the murdered babies - why are they here? I am talking about war, starvation, abortion, etc.


And what can starving people learn?

Can you tell me why babies are born to die soon?

Oh boy, i knew i had to refraim from certain comments before i finished my coffee but there it is so here we go...

You ask about murdered babies and why they are here? Maybe the baby needed no lesson to be learned but rather the murderer who killed it....
The school of life will facilitate you with everything you need to learn a certain lesson. Every now and then you get a test and in the case of the "baby murderer", well he did not learn the lesson.

Same with the starving people. You and i know there are people dying of hunger every day. So will you deny a begger your food if he asks for it. Or will you close your door for him who seeks shelter??

Ask your self...lesson learned?

Peace

[edit on 21/12/2009 by operation mindcrime]

Or maybe the Universe is an illusion, but it's there, or the other way around?
And I do of course believe in Newton's and Einstien's theory. It make perfect sence!

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Dear gazerstar

This is one I like if only because it upsets the religious.

We and the whole nine yards are just a big computer program that is running at sometime in our future.

We think because we are programmed to do so we feel and so on and so on.

So there you go get your head around that one.

Hey and before you start shouting at me this comes from a boffin in the USA not me.

The one thing I like about it is that it makes it all possible.

It sure outlines the futility of the whole thing.

Originally posted by John_Q_Llama
However, because of the monopoly of sorts that NASA and the US government has on so much of what is viewed in space (If there are other telescopes, satellites, and tools employed by other countries which are as powerful as what NASA uses, I'm not aware of them), especially deep space, how many other means of validation are there for what they claim? That's what I find troubling. There is no way of knowing for certain whether or not they are telling the truth, half truths, or outright misleading information.

You expressed my point more clearly and straightforward than I did. Thank you! I find it strange that all of a sudden, we are extremely interested in the moon and Mars again, and at the same time, all of these beautiful photos and 'new' discoveries are being released to the public. Don't get me wrong. I hope that the photos and discoveries are real; I really do. But doesn't anybody find it strange that they are just now being released when NASA needs funding?

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Dear gazerstar

This is one I like if only because it upsets the religious.

We and the whole nine yards are just a big computer program that is running at sometime in our future.

We think because we are programmed to do so we feel and so on and so on.

So there you go get your head around that one.

Hey and before you start shouting at me this comes from a boffin in the USA not me.

The one thing I like about it is that it makes it all possible.

It sure outlines the futility of the whole thing.

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We are not a computer programme - mankind evolved long before computers.