The majority of Americans came to America in the last century and didn't kill Indians or enslave bl

You tell e'm buddy. Besides that the killing was certainly promoted by the Jesuits who also promoted the Indians to kill settlers. Also as unfortunate as that period was, the Indian today is the most patronized and pampered conquered people in world history. My ancestors had all of the trash running through Europe messing with them and I don't have special, rights, lands, handouts and neither do people anywhere else in the world. Most people have been subject to "colonization" and "conquest" in one form or another. The American Indian is leveraged because the Jesuits want to create frictions, fake causes, fake enemies as they have always, always done and always, always will. The Jesuits love to get people to hate each other inside or across borders so that they alone can benefit. The only real tangible enemy is the Catholic Church.

Originally posted by nycfrog27
reply to post by Tiger5

 

so the blacks who say cracker and other names, blacks who say black power, blacks who feel like they are owed something are hidden "black supremacists, right? just like whites in all "their disguises" as you say? Face it, your argument, along with other black inferiority issues is OLD NEWS. and just as inflammatory as damn Klan members. Face it, it keeps the crap going, does it not?

The crap on both sides of the racial divide continues. The crap will continue until people stand up and say enough already. Carping on all of the black privileges like errm breathing in America, not being lynched and living in America are very tiresome. The majority of black people who hate whites are probably black nationalists but you know that as you live in south Bronx...Having been in schools in south Bronx and spoken to my nephews I don't see the same picture as you.

So when last were you called a cracker? I was called a "n**ger last year. I just chased those idiots up a hill. I did not catch them. I find most white racists cowards. When last did you have a conversation about black power. Old news for you perhaps but some do live with racism. If it is old news why are white people still posting Ops such as what started our discussion. Should it have ogne unchallenged perhaps? Sorry to spoil the all-white ATS

Let me help you. There are a small group of people called black nationalists who are the black version of white supremacists and you should know this as you have been around black people for some time living as you do in the Bronx... Frankly I wish black nationalists would go Africa. I actually believe that relationships between the races have improved.

I still tell them to work hard and be good at maths. Black people do suffer discrimination still but hey so what. red haired people suffer, the handicapped, women suffer.

OK many kids try the music route which is fine. Racists have been yelling enough already for the last century at least. "Surely you see "enough already” can maintain the status quo.

Originally posted by nycfrog27
reply to post by Tiger5

 

On the African-American thing, unless you are born in Africa and come to America you are not African American. You are AMERICAN, like myself. So why is it that blacks call themselves that?

I wonder the same thing about people that call themselves Irish-Americans to be honest. Particularly those who have to go back several generations to reach family that actually lived in Ireland.

Is that different?

reply to post by Merriman Weir


There is no difference, I am American with Irish heritage. I don't know if it occurs in other nations, but in America I find it disturbing that most people don't actually identify themselves as American period. I remember in high school people would identify themselves as Irish, Polish, etc seldom did anyone say American. Perhaps, the American was just understood, but I found it odd nonetheless, especially since the vast majority didn't speak the language of whatever country they were claiming.

Perhaps, if they actually visited the land of the forefathers they would understand just how American they are, bc whatever country it may be, the people have no problem pointing out that you are in fact American.

Originally posted by searching4truth
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

There is no difference, I am American with Irish heritage. I don't know if it occurs in other nations, but in America I find it disturbing that most people don't actually identify themselves as American period. I remember in high school people would identify themselves as Irish, Polish, etc seldom did anyone say American. Perhaps, the American was just understood, but I found it odd nonetheless, especially since the vast majority didn't speak the language of whatever country they were claiming.

I agree and not only that, but also having some weird romanticised and almost mythological view of these countries or a view of that country that's somehow frozen in time and a hundred or so years out of date.

Perhaps, if they actually visited the land of the forefathers they would understand just how American they are, bc whatever country it may be, the people have no problem pointing out that you are in fact American.

We would if they didn't carry on pretending they're Canadian like some backpackers do. I can't speak for the Poles, Italians and so on, but I know some Irish and Scots (as in born there but live here but still go back 'home' on occasion) who loathe Americans who think they're Irish or Scottish. In fact, I know some Northern Irish (Catholic and Protestant, although religion is actually a bit of a smokescreen now) who are incredibly bitter about the Americans stirring the pot from thousands of miles away.

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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by gdeed

 

Well unfortunetly just because it was a while ago, doesn't mean that we don't have to take responsibility for it.

Humans are slaves to history, the problem is we never learn from it.

~Keeper

That's a load of crap. I'm not taking responsibility for anything that someone 5 generations down my family line might have done. Am I that person? Did I have any control over their actions? Did I have any influence over their lives?

All meaningless and stupid arguments since I wasn't even born yet.

I am responsible for what I DO and for what I SAY. Take that to your bong and smoke it.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


It's funny you mention that. I went to Italy a few years ago with some family. Now, my family is something like 75% Irish heritage and 25% Italian (we have family in Italy though). Some of my cousins just loved claiming to be Italian, I don't understand how they got that, but fine. Our Italian cousins ehem, clarified (and not so politely) for them that they are not Italian by any definition of the word, I found it amusing. How is it that someone born in the US, speaks no Italian, and learned of Italian "culture" by watching the Godfather going to claim to be Italian I was happy to witness their little bubble being burst, since they didn't want to listen to me.

Originally posted by ReelView
You tell e'm buddy. Besides that the killing was certainly promoted by the Jesuits who also promoted the Indians to kill settlers.

Could you find me the citation on that please?

Also as unfortunate as that period was, the Indian today is the most patronized and pampered conquered people in world history.

Obviously you have never heard of our Quebecois.

Self edit to say that I am not taking a shot at our French cousins...rather, that there was no attempt to assimilate them, nor change their language or faith. Instead, their culture was 'allowed' to them. Sounds pretty patronising today, but it was quite progressive in the 18th century.

The First Nations, however, did not get that same deal.

[edit on 16-3-2010 by JohnnyCanuck]

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Boy you have a chip on your shoulder. I feel sorry that you have suffered such bruising racism in your life. I cannot condone it.

I am happy that you take pleasure in being of Irish descent. You are allowing yourself to be bent out of all sense. People like to party. St Patrick's day is a day for fun.. So what.. No one calls the irish racist for being Irish.

Histgory has clearly proven that America is not colour blind. Now all of a sudden everyone should be called American. OK but how ill social researcher and the police/ authoriities identify suspects and take details. It is not a black conspiracy to get you...African American is the word du jour.. It is better than negro but it is just a name.

You just seem t

reply to post by Daniem


i'm guessing your not america. believe me, there is a sizable amount of minorities that do blame and resent the current population for past injustices.

reply to post by searching4truth


Well actually I have sat in Pubs in Belfast and Dublin when the "Bloody yanks" came in to check out their roots and they had gone things got ugly.As the locals thought the idea of expat Irish who lived in america and whose descendants now come to Ireland was a joke.

THis whole idea of roots be they BlACK OR WHITE is the true crock. It is romantic bunk.

We are where we live.

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by searching4truth

 

Well actually I have sat in Pubs in Belfast and Dublin when the "Bloody yanks" came in to check out their roots and they had gone things got ugly.As the locals thought the idea of expat Irish who lived in america and whose descendants now come to Ireland was a joke.

THis whole idea of roots be they BlACK OR WHITE is the true crock. It is romantic bunk.

We are where we live.

I doubt it's the case with all the Irish, by any means. I'm sure that some Americans experience a genuine welcome and that some Irish are still really taken in with an American 'glamour' and 'hype'. However, I sure that some 'Irish-Americans' would have a shock if they realised that all they were was 'money in the tills' for the tourist industry rather than 'distant cousins'.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


I'm sure it depends on the attitude the American has while exploring their family tree. Like I said, my cousins didn't have the most wonderful time, however I did. I got along great, and that's probably bc I didn't pretend to be something I'm not. Granted grandma taught me a few Italian words when I was young, but I had no illusions that it made me Italian. And when I visited Italy it was as a tourist, essentially, sure I wanted to meet the family but I certainly didn't get too comfortable, family or not I'd never met them before, would most likely never see them again, and they were for all practical purposes strangers, be polite, don't embarrass grandma and move on.

Originally posted by gdeed
I got bloodied plenty while in school and as an adult too, because I was white, by people that were not white. It happened a lot in the inner city schools. There were plenty of places my kind could not go if we didn't want to die. Such is a fact of life it seems in large cities. I never hated anyone and I still don't. But I do hate the politicians and radicals that wish to keep this baloony race war alive for political millage.

What does that have to do with the fact that you still benefit from the lack of payment to war veterans of first nation soldiers and the cover up of deaths at schools in the fifties of first nation students? And whites still target first nation children because the school system fails to teach these things unlike how the German school system teaches tolerance and the holocaust. Should have read my whole post.

And yeah, I agree, I dislike the politicians too, but they still get paid with the money still owed to first nation soldiers and victims of the families whom lost children during the Indian residential school system.
en.wikipedia.org...

The government of Canada acknowledges this but fails to teach it to tell children why the government gives extra programs to the families that suffered from this and acknowledge they did it to benefit whites - which it did and still does.

The overwhelming number of people that came to America in the last hundred years have benefited from "their own" blood sweat and tears. What happend hundreds of years ago had nothing to do with them or those alive today.

No, they benefited. They simply lack the education to understand how they did.

If somebody wants reparations, we can't afford it, the FED has destroyed our economy and moved our money to other countries and left us with a national debt we can't pay.

The government owes these people from way before anyone here came to need it. Really, first come = first served.

Originally posted by UsernameCory

Originally posted by gdeed
The overwhelming number of people that came to America in the last hundred years have benefited from "their own" blood sweat and tears. What happend hundreds of years ago had nothing to do with them or those alive today.

No, they benefited. They simply lack the education to understand how they did.

People in America benefit from "their own labor", and on top of that we are taxed heavily for the people that choose to live on welfare. Americans have spent trillions of dollars to take care of people that don't want to take care of themselves. Which is fine I guess. But coming around and panhandling for more because of things that happened hundreds of years ago over things done by others long dead is baloney.

I have actually cited problems occurring less than a hundred years ago. Thanks for giving me a gauge of your reading skills.

Originally posted by UsernameCory
What does that have to do with the fact that you still benefit from the lack of payment to war veterans of first nation soldiers and the cover up of deaths at schools in the fifties of first nation students? And whites still target first nation children because the school system fails to teach these things unlike how the German school system teaches tolerance and the holocaust. Should have read my whole post.

what stats have you on inter racial assaults- where are your stats that show white kids are more likely to assault "first nation" kids than "first nation" kids are to assault white kids- and are white kids "second" nation, what "nation" are the blacks and asians

Originally posted by Doc VelocityKeep your Ghost Dancer shirt on, Chief. I've got more Indian blood running through my veins than you do, and I think the politically-correct "Native Americans" out there are spineless, thin-skinned sellouts who would rather adopt a specifically Italian name ("Amerigo") than use their own tribal name.

You have more blood in your veins than I? That statement - Hands-Down - is THE most ignorant and immature thing I have EVER witnessed in all my years here at ATS. Literally. I'd be so ashamed and embarrassed if anything so dumb ever fell out of my mouth.

I don't know about that, as there is NO WAY at all to prove you are anymore or less Native American that anyone else. Especially online. Such a dumb thing to say. You now look like such a little man.

But one thing is sure, you are far dumber than I could ever dare to be! And you proved that for me. Thank you. You relieved my burden. Your statements sit here for all eternity to see just how ignorant you can be.

For example: I could respond with, 'I'm more intelligent than you'!

See how ignorant and immature such statements sound? They sound ignorant and immature because THEY A R E! See young man, there is no way I can say for certain that I am more intelligent that you - short of sounding like a dumba$$.

Nor can you brother. Instead, it's up to others to read the information we type in our lil boxes and decide for themselves whose who.

Also - I'm a woman - not a man. If I were a man - my nick would be anything but 'LITTLE ONE'. Common sense dictates that to most people. Despite the fact I don't beat around the bush or care if I am liked, as research shows tends to be very important to most women. This woman doesn't care if she's liked. I only care about the truth. With that being said, don't allow my tone to distort you any further than you are. I am a very girlie, girl and being a girlie photographer, I can also prove that.

Not everyone lives a different life online. I am identical in person as I am online. Due to my project 365 on youtube, I can also prove that.

What can you prove? Do you have ANY credentials to prove any affiliation with any tribe? I have my card! And I can (have even) prove that too.

I can prove every word ever spoken here by me with two simple web addresses. What can you prove 'brother'?

Lastly, I can prove I was not only born and raised right there on the reservation in NC... but I am too on all the Rolls Hun. Which contains your name? Either of them?

Mine is in there. The government does an awesome family tree with us! Always current - always correct!

I believe admin here may still have some info? That would rock but I don't want anyone spending a large amount of time to find it - as I care nothing about your thoughts or opinions. Meaning, I don't care what you think enough to bother anyone. I was going to do some volunteering for the board and I sent some stuff into Admin. But, Haiti occurred and I had to go to work instead of helping out here. Back though and ready to pitch in)

Just remember, it's often better to keep that mouth shut and allow people to assume you to be ignorant. Rather than open your mouth, as you did, and remove all doubt.

Id put some burn cream on that - looks like it may scare!

EDIT:

Run-on Sentences Run On! lol


[edit on 5-4-2010 by Little One]

reply to post by gdeed


You'd have a point if your wages were being garnished for reparations. The Gov. was responsible for those things. No one expects current citizens to feel guilty for that crap. It's history and the early gov. takes the blame. It's over.