Crop circles- #1 of 5 Myths That People Don't Realize Are Admitted Hoaxes

Originally posted by Shake
idk if this has ever been debunked but if it hasn't its some of the best proof of something else creating them

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WOW!! what are the aliens telling us???

Originally posted by Shake
idk if this has ever been debunked but if it hasn't its some of the best proof of something else creating them

mmmgroup.altervista.org...

Well the circlemakers.org site did say that if you want your crop circle to become legendary, be sure to leave some mysterious artifacts or materials behind.

Do all the crop circles get searched with metal detectors like that? I'd be concerned if I made a crop circle and went through all the trouble to leave some metal plates like that behind, what if nobody ever found the plates? They were buried right? Then that would be a lot of work for nothing.

Something doesn't seem right about the plates either, these aliens can travel astronomical distances across the galaxy and yes the plates look pretty crude, wouldn't you think they could do better?

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Something doesn't seem right about the plates either, these aliens can travel astronomical distances across the galaxy and yes the plates look pretty crude, wouldn't you think they could do better?

Aww man,now they won't want to talk to us anymore.
They travel light years to give us the gift of a plate thingy and you are all making fun of it.
Awkward!
I'm sure they have the technology to hack the internet and they'll know you think their plate sucked.(in fairness it did,I mean a tricorder or laser would be cool)but to say it is rude.

[edit on 21-12-2009 by the_grand_pooh-bah]

O.K ONE MORE TIME !

HEY , HA HA

G O D made the real ones . Just to prove He's real.

But you'll never believe the truth , so what date in 2012

would you like ? HMMMM?

Originally posted by the_grand_pooh-bah

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Something doesn't seem right about the plates either, these aliens can travel astronomical distances across the galaxy and yes the plates look pretty crude, wouldn't you think they could do better?

Aww man,now they won't want to talk to us anymore.
They travel light years to give us the gift of a plate thingy and you are all making fun of it.
Awkward!
I'm sure they have the technology to hack the internet and they'll know you think their plate sucked.(in fairness it did,I mean a tricorder or laser would be cool)but to say it is rude.

Hey now I didn't say it sucked.

I just implied I'd think they could do better!

Sorry earthlings, if I made them mad and now they withhold all the cures for all our illnesses. But hey maybe if they had buried something like that instead of those cryptic plates we wouldn't have to wonder....

I don't get people questioning the method of communication if we'd assume they're made by ET's.

How many other ways of mass communication you can name that aren't government controlled or infested with disinfo? So we do have the debate of who made them, but it's pretty clear that we can rule out a lot of man made ones and focus on the unexplained ones.

All I'm saying is that the method makes perfect sense when you wanna reach your target audience (i.e. people in general) and not allow governments to suppress the info.

What the hell is going on? Its December! Crop circle season is over and done with!

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I'm thinking that someone in the crop circle creating industry is running a bit low on funds, and is making a last ditch attempt to drum up some business for Christmas!



[edit on 21/12/09 by Daisy-Lola]

Originally posted by Daisy-Lola
What the hell is going on? Its December! Crop circle season is over and done with!

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I'm thinking that someone in the crop circle creating industry is running a bit low on funds, and is making a last ditch attempt to drum up some business for Christmas!

You beat me to it!!! I was just going to ask the same thing of ATSers who have been here longer than me!!

Because I thought for sure nobody else would be thinking about crop circles this time of year, and my thread might be the only crop circle thread, boy was I wrong!

Is there crop circle mania at the end of every year? Or just this year? I wasn't a member of ATS last Dec so I have no basis for comparison. But I know crop circles are a summer activity, so this is strange. What's going on???

[edit on 21-12-2009 by Arbitrageur]

I say secretly place drones to watch the fields in england/ wales and moniter activity in these areas thats probably a step in the right direction to gather real evidence that is tangeble and if done correctly irrefutable. Or a motivated individual with a FLIR LRAZ type device to get a good LP/OP and just wait much like a sniper team laser painting targets only your not painting your just recording in thermal/IR maybe that would turn something up. It would probably be cheaper than ufologists paying all that money for soil samples and lab time and all that when simply they can be patient and observe. I know that if it were to happen like that though the hard believers will always argue "oh but that was only one incident what about all the other ones that are probable?" I say the people that video it or whatever assuming it happens holds the evidence while a seperate group unbeknowest to the recording investigates just to see what conclusions they draw before releasing the video. Just my 2 cents though.

reply to post by Brotherman
Hi brotherman,

Actually that suggestion of withholding the surveillance video until the cerealogists decide whether the crop circle is "man-made" or "real" sounds logical, except I'm not sure the people we would try to convince with that evidence use logic.

The people that have tried to distinguish the "real" circles from the "manmade" circles have been burned enough times, but no matter how many times they get burned they never seem to give up, there's always another crop circle that nobody has admitted to making yet, and that one could be "real". This guy comes to mind:

www.beyondweird.com...

Looking back over my eight years of involvement with the crop
circle phenomenon I have to admit that I have very mixed feelings
about my achievements and failures. I don't think I can hide my
disappointment that so many crop circles turned out to be
man-made. Of course it would have been so so easy for me to adopt
that favourite position of the armchair Skeptics by saying "I
don't like the look of these circles, therefore they must all be
hoaxes", but don't believe what you may have read elsewhere, that
is not how science is conducted.

I think I can succeed in telling the real circles from the manmade circles where everyone else has failed. My hypothesis is simple, if the "circle" has any kind of complex geometry, it was manmade. If the circle is just a circle and has rough edges that look windblown, then it may not me made by man but might be made by a dust devil, basically a circular wind pattern like a weak version of a tornado, or possibly even a brief touchdown of a tornado could make a crop circle. Here's a dust devil:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b1c29d802f9f.jpg[/atsimg]

I think that phenomenon is what makes the crop circles that aren't man-made. and they don't look very impressive, maybe something like this:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e4806d8dcc50.jpg[/atsimg]

So according to my hypothesis every circle that looks impressive with complex geometry is most likely man-made, including all of these:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f86693055ce0.jpg[/atsimg]

I have to agree with the circlemaker who wonders why any cerealogist would think humans can't make all the complex crop circles:
www.starpod.org...

Do these people not look around them and see what human civilization has achieved? The scientific, engineering and artistic marvels? We can get a man to the moon and back, but these people can’t believe that a few well organised artists can flatten cereal crops in a complex pattern. Of course within the same community there are those that don’t believe we ever sent men to moon.

I am sure if you have done enough research on crop circles, you would have realize that some crop circles are man made, some are unexplainable.

Genuine crop circles has high level of radiation, and the crops were not bent in one direction by force but instead due to the extremely high growth rate on one side of the stick, making it to fall to the other side!!
This was proven by many many researchs, you can google the pictures of crops, from real crop circles and fake ones, it's very distinct.

also, some research shows that the high growth rate of the crops were in fact due to radiation, and in those genuine crop circles, they established the point of source, which is at the centre of the crop circle. As you imagine, as the radiation gets weaker further away from the centre, the crop's doesn't grow as much~~~ it's all scientifically proven truth! there's no denial.

There's no way human technology has such devices that emits radiation and hungs in the air and hence produces the crop circle.
To me this is the prove of alien existence.

reply to post by MikeChina


Plants grow bigger because of radiation? That reminds me of how they make big dandelions in the Ninja Turtle movie. By any chance did the radiation also cause any other mutations or significant burns? I didn't really find anything on that searching on here if you had links that would be cool. Would Iodine emit radiation if sprinkled everywhere by anychance if I was a hoaxer I would try to make investigators play into a radioactive angle at least.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say that maybe a small minuscule % of crop circles are not man made and perhaps are some kind of earthly phenomenon that we have yet to discover.

...........or maybe some are ET made.

Fact is, we dont know for sure. We do know that *some* are man made because ive seen videos of them being made. However, it takes a long time to make one, sometimes several+ hours and that doesnt help explain why sometimes these things crop up like wildfire in certain regions all close together and done seemingly along the same time line.

[edit on 2-9-2010 by CheapShotArtist]

If you were a hoaxer how would you fake a crop circle Im trying to rack my brain and think of how I would do it to confuse people? depending on what kind of crop it is I wonder if a modified back mounted blower would be strong enough to put plants down Id be willing to bet it would work in a soy bean field.

reply to post by Brotherman


www.bltresearch.com...
paranormal.about.com...
check this site. that's what I meant.
I forgot how I researched on google and found two seperate research paper in pdf, proving that crop circle are made by balls of light.

There's nothing to be laughed about radiation makes plants grow bigger, it's science, any seads sent to space will grow much much bigger later on due to the radiation, as to why radiation has made crops grow so fast, I have no idea, but it's true, see for yourself at those sites I gave you.

reply to post by MikeChina


Thanks I will check them when I get time to read through them. My apologies if you don't like my sense of humor. I always understood that radiation can cause things to happen to our cells and dna but doesnt mean it will and also it is unpredictible to say what it will or wont do. It just seems strange to me that it will alter only the plants ability to grow and not alter anything else.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


How are ya? Haha well there is one sure fire way, catch them in the act, then present the hoaxers to the investigation team. And if the surveillence team records a circle "appear" without human interference it only makes the other sides argument more credible by like a million. I'm actually surprised that no one has attempted to do that and been successful about it yet, unless of course CC's are not made by man and the observation teams were ghosted by MIB, abducted, or self admitted to a psych hospital amoungst many other things.

I would love to see a crop circle that's not in the vicinity of tractor tracks or any other obvious man made path.

Besides, I think most, if not all, of the unusual characteristics that crop circles represent have been reproduced. I remember watching a documentary about some college kids, from MIT if I'm not mistaken, that made the perforations and radioactivity within the wheat with some kind of microwave device.

I don't think there's much mystery behind this phenomenon any longer, at least there shouldn't be as far as I know.

In some 'circles' significant magnetic declination have been measured. How would/do people do that?

Patterned high-pitched trilling noises have been recorded by various researchers while in the vicinity and inside some CCs, (as well as a news team doing a piece inside one). Sometimes the equipment is damaged by these trilling noises.

I've always been curious about the small spherical deposits of iron in the soil. Yes, someone could throw powdered handfulls of this stuff over their creation, hoping researchers will pick up on it in their soil analysis. Seems odd, but it's possible. But also consider iron is found naturally in soil everywhere. (Get a magnet and trace it through the dirt outside your house and see what accumulates there, just to get an idea. If you have kids, next time you're at the park trall a magnet through the sandbox and see how much iron is in there!) What is strange is the spherical morphology of those iron particles. It's not natural.


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And here's a story for those skeptical of this phenomenon. A few years back I was walking through the Sonora trails/foothills and came across a large patch of tall stalk plants which had nodes at intervals. I noticed a section was flattened down as if by a sleeping deer or such.

I looked closely at the nodes of the flattened plants and compared with those that were not flattened. It had rained the night before and in the morning/mid-noon sun the stalks were warm and moist. I noticed that the nodes on the flattened stalks were... elongated and blown out, but not on the standing undamaged stalks!

I believe the damaged stalks were not able to mitigate the water through it's structure (because it was damaged) and the heat from the morning to mid-noon sun exacerbated the elongation of the saturated nodes. In my opinion, elongation of nodes is not a strong premise/evidence for supporting alternative theories.

But, then again, it would be easy for someone to do an experiment with this. Go flatten some stalks and see if it's replicatable. Has anyone done this yet???

[edit on 3-9-2010 by Flux8]

Most crop circles seem to be visionary works of art. Visionary is an style or genre of artwork dealing with shamanistic/spiritual imagery and whatnot. Some of it is great and very meaningful, some of it is silly and just somebody taking advantage of hippies.

Some of those crop circles, however, exhibit some strange things which a board and rope cannot recreate: node elongation and/or expulsion (the nodes of the plants bursting open), clay-mineral crystal formation (which requires in the lab temperatures of 600C to 800C to create, which would burn the plants far before it created the crystals), deposits of microscopic pure iron spheres and other magnetic material, as well as predictable effects on the plants' growth and the growth of the crop-circle'd plants' seeds.

Check out this group of crop circle researchers: bltresearch.com

They have tons and tons of raw data available on their site. Their research is the most scientific and objective I have come across for *any* paranormal type phenomena. They have written statements from the scientists which did the lab work, too.

Also, check out that website, circlemakers.org, and read what these guys have to say about making crop circles. They aren't the most scientific or objective themselves. Here's a brief excerpt from their "beginner's guide":

Ritual
Before starting, a simple ritual should be performed. Whilst not obligatory, this ritual will assist in causing minimal damage to individual stalks while the crop is being laid. Using a long, curved, razor-sharp blade, cut seven single stalks for every circle planned for the formation. Place each one between thumb and forefinger and stroke until the stem starts to bend. When the stems are bent at a right angle about two inches from their base, place each sheaf at the centre of each proposed circle. If this service is not performed, a greater ratio of breakage will occur. Cerealogists who find a sheaf of sharply cut stems within the finished formation tend to automatically see this as a sign of genuineness*.

*There is a belief amongst certain circle-makers that fashioning these stems into a human form, then placing it into the final grapeshot, will ensure future circles growth.

I don't know about you dudes, but that doesn't sound very reliable to me. I don't think I trust these guys with objective consideration of crop circles.