Crop circles- #1 of 5 Myths That People Don't Realize Are Admitted Hoaxes

how do u post a youtube video number and where is the number??

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reply to post by Arbitrageur


Some are fake. Some are real.
I think it's the Grays making the real ones with remote controlled
probes.
The probes are very small.
Apparently, the Grays are masters of miniaturization.
The smaller the reactor the safer it is.
Bob Lazar saw one the size of a basketball.

reply to post by hermantinkly


One of the more interesting aspects to all of this is the myth angle. Rod Dickinson and several of the other early 1990s protagonists held several art exhibitions specifically exploring the creation of myth and folk-law (see here for a UFOlogist's account of the Santilli hoax). That doesn't invalidate people's personal experiences while creating crop circles, but it does provide context as why people are sceptical about their personal experiences. The early protagonists (even prior to Lundberg, Dickinson etc. early hoaxers don't get enough credit) all liked the idea of creating folk-law, or, as one of them put it "art for true believers". I wouldn't trust much they say.

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So are the greys supposed to be friendly? Are they abducting and dissecting humans? Are they doing the cattle mutilations? Are they the
ones showing up in people's bedrooms scaring them half to death? Is there some reason they don't appear in the sunlight, or ring door bells? Maybe the silocone melts in the sun light! Maybe their large eyes can't tolerate the sun light!

I don't know whether some or all crop circles are man-made, or whether some crop circles are man-made and some real...

I do know this however...

To use the admission of a couple of old men they hoaxed crop circles, and to make the leap from there to saying ' all crop circles are man-made is both fallacy and a ridiculous leap of faith.

Open minds folks ... No one is born with blinkers, so why spend your life wearing them

Originally posted by jackphotohobby
reply to post by hermantinkly

 

One of the more interesting aspects to all of this is the myth angle. Rod Dickinson and several of the other early 1990s protagonists held several art exhibitions specifically exploring the creation of myth and folk-law (see here for a UFOlogist's account of the Santilli hoax). That doesn't invalidate people's personal experiences while creating crop circles, but it does provide context as why people are sceptical about their personal experiences. The early protagonists (even prior to Lundberg, Dickinson etc. early hoaxers don't get enough credit) all liked the idea of creating folk-law, or, as one of them put it "art for true believers". I wouldn't trust much they say.

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jackphotohobby,

You make an excellent point, however I've been fortunate enough to have had my own experiences in Birmingham with the balls-of-light or UFO orbs (as have many other people), so I am not just about to dismiss what Matthew Williams said as simple myth & folk-tale. I know that what he describes exists because I have personally witnessed these phenomena with my own eyes and know many friends who have videotaped it. The balls-of-light/UFO orbs/Jack O'Lanterns (what the ancients called them) for example are very much real and the frequency of their sightings is increasing per year. I read somewhere that the M.O.D. had gotten 3x as many UFO reports this year than in any other year, and most of them were about people seeing unusual "orange lights in the sky."

I will tell you what I have come to think. Take a look at the following footage for a minute, captured by member ufoorbhunter in Derbyshire along The Tissington Trail. You'll see the very UFO that many people in England are reporting... at ground level: www.dailymotion.com...

These UFOs do not have any physical properties (nuts & bolts) but instead are masses of pure electromagnetic energy; or pure light. Light itself plays a huge role in reality: if visible light didn't exist from the sun, lamps, lightbulbs etc., we couldn't see a thing. We only "see" objects because visible light is being reflected off of them and being picked up by the rods cones in our eyes. Not to mention, matter is simply light/energy condensed to a very small rate of vibration, as modern science is just now discovering. These UFOs seem to be light/energy in PURE form, vibrating at a very high rate -- what some spiritualists would call the "vibration of "'love.'"

Since they are pure energy, they are able to "alter" the frequency of their energy from the range of "visible light (the light our eyes can see), to ranges near microwave and ultraviolet. This is why they can only be seen with infrared cameras at times..... and why many of the crops in crop circles are cooked and magnetized. I personally believe that these very UFO orbs are responsible for a certain percentage of the crop circles, and that they directly affect he crop when they hover over them in the energy range of microwave.



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Originally posted by Total Package
Simple mathematics and probability tells you that is virtually impossible.

Please provide this simple mathematics and probability...

Originally posted by azzllin
The Priory of Sion, I cant really comment on the Priory, if indeed they where supposed to be the most secret of all secret societies, then nobody would be able to answer for sure, there are many other secret societies, but none IMO more important, if they did indeed have the Secret they are said to hold, the only people who would really know the truth here would be the Vatican for certain, everything else from other sources is just conjecture, they think they know, but don't really, and because they have never revealed their existence, I would say nobody ever got anywhere near to the truth.

The Secret of the Priory of Sion is that John the Baptist slept with Mary, & impregnated her with the child Jesus. As Mary used to go to listen to John preach. And John the Baptist trained Jesus. Hence the blood line that is wanted to be kept alive via other extensions as well. The vatican isn't the only ones with the source secrets

Originally posted by azzllin
The Mummies Curse, again many differing stories, most notably the Tomb of King TUT, however when you really look at the story surrounding the supposedly strange deaths following the opening of the Tomb, they are not really that out of the ordinary, on saying that, I remember a story of a lady who returned to the USA after visiting the Tomb with her Husband, on returning home she became very sick, talk started about the Mummies Curse, but with investigation, it turned out to be a Fungus living on the walls of the Tomb, she had fallen against the wall and ingested spores.

& the mummies curse was from the jewels of the desert when lightning would strike the sand floor it would create wonderful jewels the egyptians would use. Although once they got they mistakened the wrong sand made jewels by lightning as it was a fallen star! & they used it on a certain piece of artwork that was Akhenatens & then Tutankhamuns. Space Spores are wonderful things indeed.

Originally posted by frugal
Hi Project 2501! Let's hear more! Bring it on!

Oh it's forth coming sacred geometry is a wonderful art when you know the origin & the method of decryption!

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I believe people some people have seen things that defy immediate explanation (along with much more misidentification, cranks and the like), but I'm sceptical of the alien explanation. I hope, whatever the outcome, even if it turns out to be something mundane that is overlooked, or, as I think unlikely, extraterrestrials, that eventually enough quality evidence is gathered to get a grasp of exactly what has happened. Which is why I'm so keen on filtering out noise. I believe you. What the explanation is I don't know, I can't simply accept something on faith, any more than I'd expect you to accept something I'd said on faith. You've been very polite, and I'm grateful for your response.

Just for a second imagine if the lights and the circles are unrelated. And unexplained aerial phenomena occurred independently. That the 'orbs' weren't at a crop circle because of the crop circles, or there to make them. They were there anyway, and, could have been seen regardless of the crop circles. Some hoaxers create crop circles and then people associate the UAPs with crop circles. In such circumstances hoaxers have unwittingly created a huge red-herring. People checking out fields during the summer, when, in fact, such phenomena is observed all year around.

I don't believe in ETH, crop-circles, or much of that sort of thing, but I think crop circles, like many other distractions in regards of UAPs, are a massive red-herring.

Originally posted by hermantinkly
Check out what long-time circlemaker Matthew Williams has to say about his experiences. This is interesting because the info. is coming from an actual human circlemaker (and not a researcher who desperately wants crop circles to be "real").

That's a good video.

He explains why they make the circles and why they don't take credit for them.

And he exposes the failing of researchers who research circles without talking to circlemakers to find out what they can and can't do, and he was arrested because of researchers.

I thought it was interesting he went out to make a circle and there was another team making another circle in the same field on the same night!

Originally posted by jackphotohobby
Just for a second imagine if the lights and the circles are unrelated. And unexplained aerial phenomena occurred independently.

I agree that's a possibility. some unexplained light phenomena have been so well documented that it's convincing they exist even if we don't know the source or cause. But just because a light appears in a crop circle doesn't necessarily mean it has any relation to the crop circle. It could be a coincidence like the two circle making teams happening to show up in the same field on the same night!

Originally posted by sam_inc


someone of them are manmade most of them are from alien. How the hell can you explain that picture to me?

To be sure that takes more sophisticated skills than making a simple circle. But as far as I know, humans possess all the skills needed to make such designs (some humans do that is).

What is it that you think requires explanation? The fact that they alternate areas of stomping with areas of no stomping? To do that, just stop stomping and then restart.

The fact that you don't know how something can be done, doesn't mean it can't be done.

Originally posted by sam_inc
how do u post a youtube video number and where is the number??

To the right of the video is a "URL" section starting with "http".....

At the end of that is a string of numbers ending in v=XXXXXXXXX

Copy and paste just the numbers AFTER the v= to embed the video using the "youtube video" button.

I do not like blanket statements that regard all of one subject a myth if one event is a proven hoax. Crop circles started somewhere and IMO were originally of UFO origin which has now become a ridiculous human perpetuated fad like all other things that started off with a UFO/ET story. Much like all UFO photos are not hoaxes, crop circles fall into this category of mostly human designed hoaxes with a few legitimate pictures mixed in.

IMO, no artistic crop circle is of ET origin. It is my opinion on this matter that simple early crop circles were made by the impressions of circular craft landing upon a field. Some time afterward humans capitalized on this and started creating more elaborate hoaxes upon the original mystery of UFO crop impressions.

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Originally posted by Total Package
So every single crop circle ever made in human history.... in just about every single corner of the Earth is man made? and not only that.. 99.9% of them are never caught doing it.... and never come forward to claim it was them

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

No doubt many are man made... but what a completely stupid assumption by the debunkers to say they are all. Simple mathematics and probability tells you that is virtually impossible.

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You're absolutely right. It's much more feasible that space aliens cross astronomical distances in their craft to come here and draw in corn.

aliens brainwash us and people go out sleepwalking and making crop circles. best explanation ive heard!

reply to post by Arbitrageur

The fact that you don't know how something can be done, doesn't mean it can't be done.

But that is just it, we do know how it can be done, one of the oldest arguments here on ATS, has been for years, is just because you can do it, does not mean you did, or that is how it was done.

Many things in this World are copied, the fact remains, those who claim they carried out these adventures, could in no way be in all the places the Circles are created, and this part I know for a fact, because I was involved, some of the Circles these people said they created, they couldn't possibly have, because they where elsewhere, why do you think they where not charged? because when it came down to it, they where not prepared to pay the price, and backed out with alibi's, there is even evidence researched by an author, cant remember their name off hand, they have evidence and testimony, that they where asked and paid to say they made some of these circles.

Sure some of them are man made, but really have you seen the state of some of them? there is no way on this World that some of the designs where done by any Human being in one night, not even in a week with dozens of helpers, there is just no way, and there is not a shred of evidence that before discovery, that people where anywhere near these sites, nothing, no prints, no bits of rope, no planks of wood, or car tracks needed to bring the items needed.

Sorry but until you have actually stood inside one, you can not have any kind of understanding as to the scale and energy of these things, there are even reports of helicopters losing control as they approach some of these circles, how do a bunch of people sneaking around in a field, cause that to happen? there is so much to these circles, and no video of some guy claiming to be responsible is ever going to explain most of them.

I would like them to try.

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Can I bum a smoke man?

I have to go make some crop circles in a little while. Thx

Originally posted by azzllin
there is so much to these circles, and no video of some guy claiming to be responsible is ever going to explain most of them.

I would like them to try.

It's interesting you should say that, because one of the comments Matthew Williams made in the video posted earlier in this thread, is how odd he thought it was that the crop circle researchers weren't talking to people like him who actually made the circles.

I think he has a point, if they really want to know how they are made they should consult with the people that make them. Then armed with that evidence if they find something even the circlemakers can't explain, they might have something interesting. But he said they didn't even ask him. Not very thorough research, is it?

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Wait, that proves they were not manmade, because mankind doesnt have anything that emits radiation!!

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idk if this has ever been debunked but if it hasn't its some of the best proof of something else creating them

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