Avatar, Great Achievement, or a Liberal/Communist Indoctrination Campaign?

Who knows who owns US military. Not the people anyway. Big corporations on behalf of bribed congress. Talking about imperialism again. US is not a sovereign country anymore, nore is my country in Europe. We are OWNED.

I, for one, actually watched the movie and enjoyed it immensely without wanting to rush out and join some communist socialist movement because, contrary to some beliefs, most times a movie is just a movie - made to entertain, educate and bring in untold millions by way of profits.

I was enthralled by the special effects and thought it was a brilliant reflection of how over the centuries the exact same story has been played out for real right here on earth - whereby the indigenous peoples have always suffered by the arrival of so called advanced cultures, their sole motivation being greed and exploitation of resources. I found the native population of the planet/moon Pandora was very reminiscent of African, native American and Australian cultures, who have all suffered a similar fate.

The fact that it appeared to be `Americans Only` invading didn`t really cross my mind as all Hollywood movies suffer from the same insular view of the world...didn`t you know The U S of A won both World Wars single handed? According to Hollywood you would be forgiven for imagining anybody else was involved

Originally posted by groingrinder
Where did he say he was a communist? I missed that part.

I totally agree that greed and imperialism have destroyed our planet and it's treasures. Case in point were the Spaniards who destroyed all the written work of the South and Central American Indians they conquered because they thought them the works of the devil as they ravaged the continent for gold. Then there is the CIA who ran amok around the world killing people and starting wars to create a better business climate for AMERICAN BIG BUSINESS.

Five stars, three cheers, and two thumbs up for AVATAR and JAMES CAMERON, but no flags and stars for you.

The Spaniards are the ones who taught the Natives a widely used language, which in turn allowed for us to translate and record their history. If it were not for the vast civilizations which spread about, and who subsequently taught their standardized alphabets, customs, and record keeping to those whom they met, then we would hardly even have a fraction of the Historic knowledge which we currently possess.

So called "Imperialism" is what allowed for our world to develop, and to diversify as well as unite. Look at Africa for instance, where just about everyone knows English, or French. These languages and customs allow for us to relate with the entire Continent, a land of fractured tribes, and it unites various peoples under a more singular banner of recognizable identification. If the "Imperialistic" Powers had never made headway in regions of the World such as this, then I dare say that you would not wish to even consider, much less actually reckon with the far more hectic consequences of such. To be honest, they would all still be living in Mud huts if it were not for so called "Imperialism", and once the "Imperialists" left, many of the Nations upon the African Continent descended into complete chaos and disarray.

As for the CIA, if you actually believe half of what you said, then you have never known anyone who works within that organization.

Originally posted by MrGrey1701


I was enthralled by the special effects and thought it was a brilliant reflection of how over the centuries the exact same story has been played out for real right here on earth - whereby the indigenous peoples have always suffered by the arrival of so called advanced cultures, their sole motivation being greed and exploitation of resources. I found the native population of the planet/moon Pandora was very reminiscent of African, native American and Australian cultures, who have all suffered a similar fate.

Oh yes, the Pilgrims definitely came to America in the hopes of snatching away Natives' Gold, and in learning how to construct inferior Buildings, and infrastructure. The Jamestown Colonists must have been vying to steal superior Weapons technology, and more advanced Ship building techniques (Although the Virginia Company came for Gold, they soon found out there was none, and afterwards the Colonists were simply left to struggle for survival. They even took great care to settle the only "Unclaimed" land in the region).

If you said that SOME were motivated by "Greed and Resource Exploitation", then you would ABSOLUTELY be correct. However, in no way, shape, nor form were all Explorations based upon such. One of my Ancestors was an original explorer of this Continent, and I actually have copies of his Ship's log. Reading the first hand experiences of these people, and seeing into their actual thoughts, really displays far more than any second or third-hand published book ever could. Most explored this Continent with a sense of Adventure, others were compelled by a sense of Duty to God and Country, and it was in fact a Minority who's sole motivation was Greed or Riches.

This film looks intriguing - visually and conceptually imaginative. Most certainly it is ladened with agendas from the money-changers; for it is the way with the majority of major films to include ideologies into these motion pictures for mass appeal and mass inclusion...

Will probably see this one...will definate not be at a theatre, as this is classic sensory over-stimulation to facilitate by-passing conscious filters and seeding the awareness - just consider previews with the specific sound reels and accompanied scenes that really say little about the film, but very often leave viewers wanting to see 'it'.

Of course others will have their own interpretations based on their life experiences and preferences...

However...and the point...what difference does it make which 'ism' we critique - whether capital, commun, social - any comparrison will be based upon review of the "lesser evils" of the system because they are all lead by corrupt individuals and there is absolutely no country on this planet, with any 'ism' guiding its socio-political practices that has the interests of the people FIRST.

So Lets Wake Up Together....and see that it matters not which mask the controllers put up, which 'ism' is promoted in major film, because behind every mask of 'ism' is one of those few individuals who use us...and all they have to do is change to game - change the name - and a country is this 'ism', then that...and nothing really changes.

Anyways, its never the system, or thing, which is responsible, but the people in charge.

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Originally posted by MrGrey1701
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made to entertain, educate and bring in untold millions by way of profits.

You state the movie didn't make you want to join any Communist groups, but then you say that movies are made to educate...

BTW, nowhere did i say people will be flocking to join Communist groups.... but obviously and for the most part Liberals, and most people who are advocates of the left-wing ideology sympathize with the claims of the Communists.

If that wasn't true, then why are murderers like Che Guevara, and even castro seen as "idols' and "fighters for the people"?...

This is also part of the reason why the Socialist/Communist elites are winning, and are taking over the world. Most people who are advocates of the left-wing ideology have embraced such "utopia" that the elites are offering.

Meanwhile you "might" not be moved to believe the lies imparted by James Cameron through this movie, there are many people who will.

Originally posted by MrGrey1701
I found the native population of the planet/moon Pandora was very reminiscent of African, native American and Australian cultures, who have all suffered a similar fate.

Obviously you have no idea to the fact that different indigenous people's massacred other tribes, and would take any, and every possessions, including slave wives/children.

But i guess just because the indigenous people did it, it was ok..

Originally posted by MrGrey1701
The fact that it appeared to be `Americans Only` invading didn`t really cross my mind as all Hollywood movies suffer from the same insular view of the world...didn`t you know The U S of A won both World Wars single handed? According to Hollywood you would be forgiven for imagining anybody else was involved

First of all... American movies portray the BATTLES fought by Americans, but there have been quite a few movies, even old ones, which have shown what some of the people in Europe have done to fight against Hitler, or some other oppression....

there are some other American movies which show for example the actions of Communist regimes as necessary, such as the movie "Enemy at the Gates".

It appears that you haven't seen any of these movies, and you are unaware of this fact.

Anyway, James Cameron himself states the purpose for his movie. I provided links to a video interview, and extracts of what the interviews were about.

The fact that james Cameron is only showing "Marines" as "evil greedy Imperialistic Capitalists" shows that this man is nothing more than a closet Communist who finally decided to show his hatred for Capitalism... Even though he has gotten rich because of Capitalism.....

I wonder why James Cameron, and other Liberals haven't given away their entire fortunes to the poor?....... instead they demand everyone else to do so...




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Haven't seen this movie (LOOKS STUPID WITH UGLY CARTOONS), but,
IMO most movies have been pro-Commie, pro-psy-op, pro-zionist or just flat out denigrating the human race for some time, now!

ACTUALLY, I LOVE SYLVESTER STALONE'S last Rambo movie all the more so, for it's scathing criticism of Burma's Communist government!


So, few even mention the name communism, while espousing it! (Just saw some movie (based on a true story)about a British man in the early 21st century taking in Chinese orphans during the Japanese invasion and it promoted communism although the man wasn't pro communist!)







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Who really cares? Capitalism really doesn't seem to be doing the trick anymore, so why not?

You speak like one way is inherently good, and the other evil. Which isn't true. You know why things tend to fail? Faulty leadership. Just look at how great our astounding country did under Bush and is now doing under Obama.

As far as the "American" invasion of the alien world (I would like to know if it is an American army, American/English division of some space navy, or maybe a Earth-based force in general). Maybe he is just taking a cue from current trends. We do so love rolling around in our tanks on foreign doorsteps. We love stripping resources, we love using those resources for entirely wasteful things.

So do other countries, but since he states a few things you don't like, you go on a warpath about how James Cameron is a communist or pushing some pinko agenda? James is most definitely a capitalist, he is going to make more than you will ever see in your life and maybe he will pour all that money in a pool and swim in it.

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Originally posted by Clearskies
ACTUALLY, I LOVE SYLVESTER STALONE'S last Rambo movie all the more so, for it's scathing criticism of Burma's Communist government!

You are right, that movie actually shows the attrocities committed by the Communist government/military in Burma.

But just ask how many Liberals, and other advocates of left-wing ideology have watched that movie and agree that true Socialism, or Communism causes that sort of attrocities....

Very FEW movies, and more so coming from Hollywood, show the true side of Communism. Many of them, those that are about this sort of topic want to blame "Capitalism, and the Imperialistic U.S." as the bad guy for some time now.

This is the sort of indoctrination which has been occurring for decads in the western world, and of course that includes Europe.

Originally posted by Clearskies
So, few even mention the name communism, while espousing it! (Just saw some movie (based on a true story)about a British man in the early 21st century taking in Chinese orphans during the Japanese invasion and it promoted communism although the man wasn't pro communist!)

That movie you are talking about is called "The Children of Huang Shi". It is based on a true story but you are right, the movie is extremely pro-Communist.

BTW, I know it was a typo, but the movie plot is based on the early 20th century. Which is when the true events occurred.

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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse



That movie you are talking about is called "The Children of Huang Shi". It is based on a true story but you are right, the movie is extremely pro-Communist.

BTW, I know it was a typo, but the movie plot is based on the early 20th century.

Which is when the true events occurred.

[edit on 17-12-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Sorry about that. Yes, that was the one.
I hate watching many movies now that I'm older and have my "Agenda" detector equipped!

Originally posted by SweetRevenge
Who really cares? Capitalism really doesn't seem to be doing the trick anymore, so why not?

Actually that's wrong, the U.S., and other western countries were doing better when the Socialist/Globalist elites weren't converting western countries more, and more Socialist.

The U.S. for example was doing better before Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, gave away the power of the U.S. economy to the Socialist/Globalist elite bankers... These are the same people some of you call "illuminati".

Originally posted by SweetRevenge
You speak like one way is inherently good, and the other evil. Which isn't true. You know why things tend to fail? Faulty leadership. Just look at how great our astounding country did under Bush and is now doing under Obama.

The country is NOT doing better under Obama.... In fact the debt has gone through the roof thanks to the Obama administration..

If you think the debt under the Bush administration was bad at about 1 trillion dollars well, under the Obama administration the debt has gone to 9 trillion dollars...and that's the amount we know of...

President Obama himself has stated "they don't know where the money went to" yet he is not demanding an investigation, or even to hold the Feds responsible for this daylight robbery by the Feds....

That's without counting the fact that the Obama administration, and President Obama himself have implemented as law more Socialist dictatorial programs than any other U.S. president ever.

Obama signed into law giving all power to something they are calling "the Corporation" over all learn-based programs/education, as well as MANDATORY, and voluntary Community Service... in which the Obama administration is allowing children starting from secondary school, and Democrats want to include children starting from primary school, to do MANDATORY Community Service without pay.

there is also the fact that among other things the Corporation now has the power to have a centralized electronic citizen verification program. The rfd chip program which has been talked so often in these forums?... the Obama administration gave the power to this "Corporation" to start, and implement this sort of program.

The govenrment now owns what USED to be a PRIVATE company, GM, and the way things are going they will get to own most other PRIVATE companies...

Not to mention that the Obama administration also wants to Socialize healthcare.

In general the Obama administration, and President OBama want to transform the Republic of the United States into another Socialist, if not Communist, dictatorship.

These sort of program exists mainly in Socialist/Communist dictatorships.

These laws haven't been implemented yet, but they are already laws. We have had several threads, with links directly to Congress. yet you want to claim under Obama things are better?....

Originally posted by SweetRevenge
As far as the "American" invasion of the alien world (I would like to know if it is an American army, American/English division of some space navy, or maybe a Earth-based force in general).

The invading force are Marines, and U.S. forces in general.

Originally posted by SweetRevenge
So do other countries, but since he states a few things you don't like, you go on a warpath about how James Cameron is a communist or pushing some pinko agenda? James is most definitely a capitalist, he is going to make more than you will ever see in your life and maybe he will pour all that money in a pool and swim in it.

He does more than just "state a few things i don't like.... he is advocating the Communist lies that "it is the imperialistic United States, and Capitalism that is at fault"...

BTW, PLENTY of Communists are rich, and they swim in pools of money... They use Capitalism, but despise it... Hitler also hated Capitalism, but he knew he needed money to accomplish what he wanted to do. He was a Socialist at heart, and implemented Socialist programs in Germany. including the Hitler's youth's which sound very similar to Obama's youths.

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Is freedom of expression a crime now?

What of the French New Wave? Plenty of the movies produced in that time period blatantly espoused left-wing revolutionary rhetoric... but they are damn good movies. Art with a capital 'A', and I say that not because of the message they contain, but in terms of the cinematography, the performances, the genre-bending nature of the films and their supreme cultural relevance: they have influenced films ever since.

Art should not be pandering to the commercial motivations of the corporate system and the cookie-cutter expectations of the viewing audience... art, in any medium, should be a visual representation of the artist's self expression. Take it or leave it.

Who gives a damn what Cameron's political leanings are, and the fact that he found them important enough to provide an essential subtext to is film is what the medium is about.

So film doesn't agree with your personal politics... would you prefer that all artistic form tow a specific party line while being churned out on conveyor belts, pieced together not by artists, but by assembly line workers (a reality that, unfortunately, is close to being reality).

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Marx wanted socialism ONLY as a Transition from Capitalism to Communism!
en.wikipedia.org...

The Marxist conception of socialism is that of a specific historical phase that will displace capitalism and be a precursor to communism.

Originally posted by Clearskies
Sorry about that. Yes, that was the one.
I hate watching many movies now that I'm older and have my "Agenda" detector equipped!

It's ok, I am just a moviebuff as well as a historybuff. I can name the name of a movie just by listening to the first 30-40 seconds of music from the starting credits, even the movies I haven't watched.

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That's ironic that you should compare 'freedom of expression' to gulag-style factory lines! lol
The REALITY OF communisms' final stage!

reply to post by Someone336


They have influenced films, and people too, which is why so many people now advocate the left-wing ideology.

The indoctrination of people has been done through education, and more so through higher education through the Liberal professors who endorse, and advocate true Socialism/Communism.

But they have also been using movies, among other tactics, to advocate, and indoctrinate westerners to embrace true Socialism/Communism.

Not everyone goes to College, or the University, so they had to use other methods to indoctrinate people, and that includes films.



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I wasn't making a point about politics, but the role of the artist's worldview in what they create.

When we strip them of this ability in exchange for something that will challenge the audience less and diminish the 'thought' process of observation, then it becomes drivel.

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It's not the politics of the films that has been influential. If you haven't, watch Pierrot le Fou, Contempt [Le Mepris] (not political), Breathless, (not political), or Shoot the Piano Player (not political). You'll see why they are influential. Challenging, yes, but among the greatest films I have ever seen.

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But art has been stripped away already of it's true meaning.

Now-a-days you find dogs, and other animals doing "abstract paintings with their paws, or whatever, and this is being called "Art"...

This is nothing more than a diminishing of true Art... Just try to teach a dog to paint a real portrait of a person, or to paint a beautiful landscape....

The diminishing of real Art has been done through Liberalism, and the left-wing ideologies. Do you have any idea why? Because one of the goals of true Socialism/Communism is to destroy anything that has spiritual significance.

The true Socialist/Communist ideology advocates hatred towwards true Art, which is why artists are imprisoned, and even killed in true Socialist/Communist dictatorships.

True, or scientific Socialism/Communism in the same manner tries to impart atheism. I am not saying all atheists are Communists, but all true Socialist/Communists are atheists. There are only exceptions in which some Communists have had to use religion as a way to lure the poor people in certain regions of the world. But once complete power is attained by such a Socialist/Communist regime, religion, and any form of spiritualism is abhorred.

This is another reason why the Socialist/Globalist elites have been working hard on making as many nations secular, since true Socialism/Communism is materialistic in nature.

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If art has been diminished because of left-wing ideologies, then what are we to make of surrealism, dadaism, or anything else that sprung from the Post WW1 modernist movement? Is the avant-garde not art, perhaps the highest art in our current landscape of McArt and hotel paintings?

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