strange LRO moon picture near marius crater

reply to post by DarthChrisious

I'm not seeing anything too unusual. Those rocks are pretty bright, so it has to be a relatively young impact crater. If there's anything that pops out at me, it's the number of rocks and bright spots on the left side of the crater compared to the right side. It looks like it's more than double.

I don't see correlation between the brightness of the rock and the date of the impact.
perhap's the height of the dust in the crater or on top of rock can help for a date. but not easy to measure heigth of dust jst like that
C14 on the moon. is there carbon something to date on moon ? I doubt.
other method ?

yes there is a lot rock compare to other crater in the same picture.
this meteorit could be more big than the other ones
the ground layer could be not the same

yes more rocks on the rights
let say the meteorite come from the down corner


Can somebody can help me to found the north ?

reply to post by watcher73

I cannot figure out why aliens would put a lego on the moon.

one child have just lost it

if somebody can help me also for the size of the square.
the picture say 2.5 km wide
so square width is about 200m
a more precise measure would be very interesting



[edit on 17-12-2009 by mixmix]

It's hard to tell if I'm understanding what's trying to be explained, because the OP's English is a bit choppy (as is mine, at times!). Obviously I mean no offense to the OP by that, and I could be way off, but perhaps he's referring to the (odd) fact that there's no standard "crater depression?"

Obviously some type of event has spewed material outward (long ago, I'd assume based on the lack of 'track' marks), but as far as I've seen, these events usually come with an actual crater. An entire portion being depleted from the surface, forming a large depression in the ground. I'm almost positive that this isn't anything spectacular, nor outer-worldly, but I'm no expert on lunar anomalies so it most definitely leaves me curious!


Cheers,
Strype

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Strype]

reply to post by Strype


I'm surprised to found a perfect circle in the middle of a square crater.

but first I found other squared crater

Arizona meteor crater: width 1200 m 20MT explosion
Arizona meteor crater NASA JPL

and for the moon
NASA Square craters explanation

also on Eros comet
EROS Square crater

so everybody will say
that's normal, the crater follow the line of the crust.
thread over

that is not the case !!!

read this detailed explanation for arizona meteor crater

STRUCTURAL ASPECTS OF METEOR CRATER AND THEIR EFFECT ON CRATERING

to be continued

sorry for my poor english

reply to post by mixmix


I'm checking out your links now. I also live 40 minutes drive from Meteor Crater. I've been there four times thus far, and it's been spectacular every time!


Cheers,
Strype

Originally posted by mixmix
now look again the circle, you can see it is really perfect.
the ring is perfect. a ring zone with no any white rock.
for the moment I speak of circle. not a meteor impact, not a dome, convex concave.

why cause this picture have no relief/altitude data. so it difficult for me to make assumption. I'm not a moon picture analyst.

Neither am I, but I have noticed that older craters, specially small ones, have a tendency to go flat with time.

I know that this would be much slower on the Moon, without the help of wind and rain to erode the crater, and with a smaller gravity trying to equalize things.

Looking better at the photo, it now looks like the white rocks are the object that hit the Moon, not the Moon debris ejected from the crater.

now look again the square
left side: near a prefect aligment of rock
down side: aligment of rock and black stripe
down corner: near nothing visible
up side: alignment of rock, 2 paralell white line in the middle, black line
right side: aligment of rock

near a perfect square

I think you are exaggerating the perfection of the "square", that is not even a well defined square, only when you use areas without white rocks as part of the square.

reply to post by ArMaP

Neither am I, but I have noticed that older craters, specially small ones, have a tendency to go flat with time. I know that this would be much slower on the Moon, without the help of wind and rain to erode the crater, and with a smaller gravity trying to equalize things.

Yes. no problem to have a flat impact zone with the time.
There is a lot of picture of moon crater like bubble in the mud.
We can call it gravity erosion

We can suppose there is no atmosphere and rain. No tectonic activity. No conspiracies. for the moment.
from yahoo answers

[comment]
this thread is starting slowly. but It's relaxing to have no troll and real time debunking.
Yes nothing to debunk.
It's more easy to debunk dumbs than to post new interesting thread.
It's also easy to post new thread related to "official news" like this company annonce that his new rocket is ready blabla. with no opinion, no criticism, nothing. Nothing to debunk. just news. vapor in the night.
It's more easy to debunk "
By example, Some witness have really see UFO.
I say some. I should say Million witnesses.
Sure some are dumbs, craps, ..
But some are not. They provide testimony, picture, books, ...
No all UFO witnesses are not drug addicts, mentally sick, ..
Some are policemen, army, plane pilot, ...
They know to make a difference between a swamp gas, a meteor ballon and a UFO.

UFO means Unknown.
They just have seen something they can't explain.
So Don't try to explain them they have see something else with your "all physics in one volume" books. Stop to hide behind Science relative stuff.
Stop to raise your books like preachers with a bible.

Science is doubt. not dogmatism. not religion.

Mathematics are the basis. It's just a tool.
Physics is Modelisation, test, new modelisation, new test, start again.
Scientist
Truth seekers, truth is not in books or internet. truth is inside you. it's self related. Yes, you have to read books, newspapers, internet, ... and ATS to get informed. but information is not the truth.
You are already over informed by the current information war.
take a break, switch off.




or take a look at these pictures.

browse LRO marius crater image,

more than just 2 minutes and state there is nothing to debunk.

come on it's a LRO image. off course there is nothing to debunk.

but there is a lot of beautifull moonscape, craters, ...
more than a 2 minutes breaks.

with some imaginations, you can post hundreds of beautifull images to discuss.
by blinking eyes in an asynchronous way you can see shape, forms, animals :lol

but for the moment, nobody is post your circle is not a perfect cricle pattern with link this one is better.
I'm still waiting.
No debunker to post link on another perfect circle pattern like this one on the moon or mars.

This circle is about 80-100 meters wide.
Should I have to rename my post title to "Atlantis found on the moon, circles proves it", but No.

Interpreting crater shadow
In this link the crater zone have a very good circle pattern.

The circle on my LRO picture is not the crater zone it's the supposed impact zone that not the same thing.

I say supposed cause as you notice yourself.

Looking better at the photo, it now looks like the white rocks are the object that hit the Moon, not the Moon debris ejected from the crater.

That's really not common that a meteor that hits the moon is not vaporized in the impact like in arizona. Normally, there is like an explosion. a big one
20 MT TNT for arizon 1200 meters wide.
For arizona, it was only proved to be a meteor impact in 1960. And just the idea it was one dated from 1903. before it was supposed to be a maar.
The current evidences are chemical analysis. the meteor is vaporized.

all this is blast, explosion physics


Or it's a new kind of meteor or not a meteor at all
The common sense is that the white roc is the crust debris.

The other crater have also white rocks but not the same amount and size.
Cause size matter's.
Do you have notice the biggest debris with a triangular shape.

The size can depend of the local crust size.

so there is an impact and some big rocks extract from the crust were flooding back all over the crater zone and beyond.
they will travel in the air and come back exactl in the impact zone.

YES BUT Moon don't have air and have 1/6 earth gravity.

If you explose something on the moon, many of the rocks and dust will go directly in space and never come back.
Sure some rocks will stay but the dust will be pushed away by solar wind.


Circle size 80-100 meters.
square witdh: 200 meters.
keops pyramid width is 244 meters
another pyramid on the moon thread, No.


the square is not prefect but if you zoom in and out.
It's a square pattern or 4 corners pattern.
A 4 lines patterns.
If you look for a perfect square like a 4 wall earth real estate, sorry.
It's the moon, no private property, no renting

reply to post by Strype

I also live 40 minutes drive from Meteor Crater.

So you have some story about this crater.
UFO, ET, something
Or it's a no fly zone for UFO

UFO party, shops like in roswell.

The arizona crater is a private property


[edit on 18-12-2009 by mixmix]

Originally posted by ArMaP
I think you are exaggerating the perfection of the "square", that is not even a well defined square, only when you use areas without white rocks as part of the square.

I dunno I saw teh square before he mentioned it. Im more interested in the stealth bomber type looking thing and the round floating rock.



[edit on 18-12-2009 by watcher73]

near 24 hours and nothing to debunk.

ATS Debunker, all last week you have practice real time debunking with 2 lines post like "No it's a rocket, 2nd line"

And nothing in this thread,

comment are welcome, help too.

hilarous, humourus comment are welcome too.
like
"no, it's not a meteor impact LOL
it's a russian rocket"

"a russion rocket design to make circle pattern inside a square"

reply to post by watcher73

I dunno I saw teh square before he mentioned it. Im more interested in the stealth bomber type looking thing and the round floating rock.

zoom in/out and say me what is the shape of the crater ?
round or squared
do you have other shape to propose ?

a stealth bomber. where ? which model ?

no it's a rock

round floating is a visual effect .
Do you propose something else like photoshop effects ?

Here I marked what I saw.



Yes I know I used the negative image. the stealth looking thing you can see in either picture. But the round object isnt as distinct in the regular image.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by watcher73]

Originally posted by mixmix


zoom in/out and say me what is the shape of the crater ?
round or squared
do you have other shape to propose ?

a stealth bomber. where ? which model ?

no it's a rock

round floating is a visual effect .
Do you propose something else like photoshop effects ?

I said it looked square. I saw that before you even mentioned it, while everyone else was saying they didnt see anything. Not sure the round floating rock is a visual effect from looking at its shadow. It seems to be offset compared to where the rock is. I dunno, besides the crater being square these were what stuck out to me. The stealthly looking object is probably just a smaller crater and the ejecta made that shape. But the floating rock shadow Im not sure about. Hard to explain, but the shadow nearest the rock actually curves back in which I dont think youd see if the rock was actually on the ground.

reply to post by watcher73

I said it looked square.

Please Excuse me. I have misunderstand.
I'm confused

I take a break

What is a pyramid ?
Wikipedia Pyramid

common knowlege part
a pyramid is a shape with 5 faces
his base is a square

a pyramid is a building like keops pyramid.

aerial picture of keop pyramid site


map of gizeh


Wikipedia statements.
All pyramid are not tombs.
All egyptian pyramids are nots tombs
All gizeh pyramids are tombs or items storage.

Wiki, what else ?

the three main pyramids have a funerarium temple on the east, a cause way and a valley temple. All from the east, the rising sun.
check it on the map.

I don't see the khufu valley temple. replaced by a concrete building ?
visible on google maps satelite imagery systems


But a square is not a pyramid

basic post, for pyramid lovers

but where is the north ?

nobody of the usual LRO stuff related ATS poster can help me.

stop to focus, for the moment on each debris, look the global scene first.

I have no specific knowledge in blast aerial picture analysis.

but where are ATS debunkers and sceptics ?

it's debunker national holiday or conference.

Do you work this weekend ?
next week, next two weeks, january ?
2010
2011
2012

come on, World will end tomorow. I see it on internet.

Everyday, there are threads about end of time is set for bla bla bla.
WW3, 2012
And still nothing
It's like this since long time

just fears, harassment, WAR, intox, HOAX, lies, no hopes.

come on all this is bla bla bla

Can human beings accept alien with green skin ?
sorry I say green, no it's orange, no black.
Does colors really matter's ?

Can human beings just accept other human beings ?
for color ?
for religion ?
for culture ?
for anything who make difference ?

(ATS advertissement)
Look District 9 trailer.


Some of you are waiting for aliens.

If you cross one tonight, you will simply wet your pants like me

But imagine your new neigbour will be an alien.
He will be different.
Do you will accept him on a long turn basis ?

District 9 looks to be related to alien integration like
South Africa governement have manage black majority in the past.
Apartheid, Segregations.

Can you imagine to discover you are now from a minority species.
second quality, attarded, prisoner in your own area

but all of you are not racist, ...

there is good people too
nothing is black or white

except moon pictures

reply to post by mixmix

If you made this thread just to discuss the photo then great, but I hope you didn't made it just to try to attract what you call debunkers and sceptics.

So, please stop making those posts asking for this to be debunked, it looks like you are only trolling for the points or stars or whatever.

On topic, and now that I have downloaded the TIFF file, I can see that the whole area is full of similar looking features, so I guess that its more a result of the local environment than anything else.

OK, here is the image taken from the original TIFF file. I had to mirror it to make it look like the one on the Opening Post, but I don't know why.

(click for full size)


And while you "found" a square, if I try to make a closer fitting shape I can come to this result:
(click for full size)


Also, the circle is more like an ellipse than a circle.

Edit: I forgot to say that I don't know if north is up or not, as far as I have seen they haven't published that data, along with other related and important data, like sun angle and the angle between the satellite to the surface.


[edit on 19/12/2009 by ArMaP]