UFO Fleet Over Chile December 16,2009

If they are aliens they're flying round in jets ! Do the Chillean Air Force know aliens have been 'plane-jacking' they're rides, typical joyriders tssshhh ! THEY'RE PLANES !!!!!

Ok enough is enough, this whole lets debunk everything blindly crap is getting annoying. If your going to debunk something at least post a link to a video of a real aircraft or actual swamp gas phenomena. This looks to be a very credible video (( I.E no distortion surounding the craft, where photo retouching or shopping would be. Also if you pay close attention to the objects in the foreground, the scenery does not overlap.)) I noticed that the crafts also stay in well organized formation while doing hard to repeat funtions, such as changing directions at high speeds.

From the debunking that I have been seeing on this post it makes me think that none of you really take any time to actually study the video and you just skip all due process and post senselessly.

Ive been thinking about how relentless and misguided the posts have been getting since I last dropped a topic on ats, and it seems it's gotten worse. I rarely ever post on ATS but now I cant just let this bs fly.

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Exoblader]

I don't know what else anyone would need here to realize that these are aircraft. As in planes.
The gentleman who provided the information and videos explaining, pretty much as plain as day I thought, that in this exact same area, where this exact same light configuration, has already been explained away, year after year, every December, because of the flight school that is there, and has been there for years... I mean..

And those who seem insistent on the UFO theory, and are asking Mr. Phage?(is it?) for more "proof"?
I would remind them that the burden of proof is on them, and as far as this impartial observer is concerned, while my initial reaction to the clip was awe, Mr.Phage nailed the lid shut right out of the gate. I can't believe this thread even kept going after that.

The source given by phange also has a history of being overly agreeable to the testimony of local govenments whom give very questionable excuses to the objects in the sky phenomena ((The phoenix lights explained as being flares.)) and so I deem the given source unspeculative. The source also regretfully never followed up on his explanation by proving exactly whether the T-35 video itself was on location or whether it had been uploaded simply to disprove the matter.

I also would like to call into question the agreeability of such debunkers towards mods and ATS super debunkers. Do you ever question a debunk, and if so dont you agree that it would foolish to simply destroy a topic after one unreasonable debunk?

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Exoblader]

Im really confused. I see this footage and I do think its unsual and I do think that it may be something. That something could be something natural, or manmade. And thats the most likely output. But it could be something not man made, alien... who knows. I doubt it but maybe.

The second thing that concerns and confuses me, is why are people trying to surpress you about your comments about the other user? you have the right to a freedom of speech, so why do the very people that claim to bring forward this freedom, then try to prevent you from making comments about this user named Phage? I find it a joke and ATS users are behaving like the government - knocking you down for free speech.

The third thing that concerns me is that I believe users have some kind of connection with Phage, as I have never seen so many people bow down and almost worship someone to this extent. From what I can see, I see no credentials from this gentleman. I do not believe that he works in any field relevent to the case and I personally could do the same job as him if I was unemployed, and had google running alongside ATS.

I am certianly not implying that is what he is doing, I should imagine that a lot of his information comes from informed decisions and knowledge which he has developed over years of interest / studying and investigating this type of thing, and for that I praise his work. Well done Phage, you are an active and positive member on this site and I respect your comments.

However, I would warn users on the dangers of simply going along with the users opinions, do try to form your own otherwise you find youself in a situations similiar to the 'central government' claims some of you make, only Phage becomes the central government - you run the risk of becoming bound by his own personal investigation results, sharing the same opinions. and then those around him (and you) are knocked down when making an attempt to have their own opinion. Does that sound like a similar story?! Come on folks - allow people to have their own opinions. Its only fair.



[edit on 19-12-2009 by Jed1Knight]

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Jed1Knight]

reply to post by Exoblader


You must of missed the post by Caggy then?

Originally posted by Caggy

They're T-25 Pillan's. Confirmed by FACH (our airforce) as it says in every page of this thread. And I can assure you they're right because I LIVE here and it's a recurrent maneuver of our airforce.

I can't believe how difficult is to understand it. No people, those aren't UFO's. That maneuver happens EVERY year since I can recall, it's one of the final tests for the new pilots.

FYI I live in Santiago. The planes were flying over Peñalolen and La Reina... and guess what... the aerodrome of Tobalaba is there!!! You know... aerodrome... where little planes land...? Some years ago, and maybe this is the real reason why this much people is surprised, this maneuvers took place in the old airbase, Cerrillos Aerodrome, that's near to my house, was closed some years ago (I can't recall if it was 1, 2 or more years ago, sorry), and now's becoming a beautiful residential neighborhood with all and it's own lake. All the planes moved to Tobalaba and now they practise around there.
I'm a believer on UFO's and stuff, but c'mon, I have spent almost all my life here and seen those lights almost every year... I can't believe this 10 pages of BS. We DO have interesting UFO sighting places as Colbún Machicura lake... and other interesting places to do research, as the same old Easter Island... but not this time. This is plain and old BS.

Originally posted by Jed1Knight


The third thing that concerns me is that I believe users have some kind of connection with Phage, as I have never seen so many people bow down and almost worship someone to this extent.


[edit on 19-12-2009 by Jed1Knight]

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Jed1Knight]

Hey mate I can assure you that I do not worship Phage ha ha ha ! I have had some interesting 'interactions' with him since i joined this site and although at times he has some decent theories and input in now way do i take his word as LAW ! On this point though and it is the only time I have ever agreed with him, I believe these are jets ! If you actually listen very carefully as the lights 'drop' down then fly off to the right, you can hear the jet engines ! It's very subtle but it is there !

looks like a ufo to me, im looking at the shape of the object

Originally posted by sam_inc
looks like a ufo to me, im looking at the shape of the object

Okay just ignore the engines i don't care !

reply to post by Strype


He does not! Fallacies are the number one method of the debunking I have seen him use time and again.

Protect him, and you will go down in flames with him. Sort of. Well, in a more esoteric sort of way.

Eh. Anyone who actually acts as you think he acts is pretty much A OK in my book. But he doesn't, and he doesn't want you to ask the icky questions that call his techniques into question.

Not everything can be real, and not everything can be debunked.

Note, I never said what those lights are. Don't care, its the premise of how people speculate as though it were God's own truth.

That video does not provide enough for 100% anything. I think Phage can defend himself quite well. Don't be a proxy.

reply to post by The Lord and Savior


He offers nothing much more than prepackaged answers and solutions, and actively seeks to remove the credibility of those who simply want outside perspectives and maybe someone to listen.

He won't give sympathy, or understanding if he makes up his mind on a topic. Rather this is not about Phage or his followers.

Not at all. This is a societal trend that rewards spite and ridicule, over togetherness and a common goal.

People are allowed to get away with it, were rules already in place that were extremely stricter than the already strict T&C of ATS then they would conform, were big brother obvious with his techniques.

No, shooting people down is fun to these people, and they get a kick out of watching someone's thread getting ripped to shreds.

It is eerie how little things have changed since the days of Rome. More Christians to the lions, perhaps? They feed off the suffering of others and justify their actions by calling their victims stupid. Really.

Phage isn't a hero, he is an example of the societal trends present in this day and age. Although, by my very posting this, I am elevating him to the very position I would rather not see him in. Maybe as a moderator he will sit back and refine his already polished techniques. He is on the fast track.

Good for him, at least he does have something to offer.

[edit on 19-12-2009 by GideonHM]

reply to post by the_denv


First and foremost, I am talking beyond this individual thread, not to mention I am using his reputation and my first hand exposure to his techniques to illustrate how unbalanced the equation is.

How do you say as well that I don't contribute?

You have your perspective, you will not change it. Yes I was very harsh, and it was very intentional, and I am very fed up with what is accepted as normal debunking, when in reality you cannot say 100% that you can identify those lights. Experience is great, but guess what?

You can't debunk that which you cannot prove or disprove completely. Completely.

Not to mention, you threw away all the important deep sentiments in my post in favor of focusing on the obvious. That is the price I pay for having a temper.

Oh well, and you missed the point. I am going to have to take a break.

Sheesh.

reply to post by GideonHM


Without critical and grounded thinking there would be no intelligent discussions here on ATS. I for one appreciate people like Phage who can put 1 and 1 together. For too many people on ATS 1+1=3 and they type bs outrageous post that lead nowhere.

I haven't seen anyone come up with a better explanation of these lights then the one Phage provided. If you yell 'government/military/alien cover up' then let's see some facts that support your claim. Otherwise it's just bs.

[edit on 19-12-2009 by cripmeister]

reply to post by cripmeister


How about this one , They ARE Planes !!!

I expect this video can make clear the confusion in other videos of same thing in youtube, here is filmed with more light (sony DCR-TRV730 optical zoom 18x, using a tripod). at the end the plane shape is more evident. this is surely a training planes fleet , they only carry a fix front light , for some moments fly in front of the camera appearing to be static lights, later they turn and the light seem to vanish. To the naked eye or with less light , or a smaller zoom, is impossible to see the plane body, we would only thee its front light.

Third Time

reply to post by gortex


Yep. I'm glad I kept out of that UFO argument, I will keep to my philosophical clarifications as I see planes looking like that all the time in San Diego.

That is what I really don't like, the bright ass light that seems to hover motionless, only 30 seconds later it dims and you see the trajectory of the plane, then the other lights, and the side of the aircraft.

I spend a good amount of time looking at moving lights in the sky, and you have to give the object at least a minute for the flashing signal lights, or you will just see whatever you want to see.

Yet, there are some that have been doing weird things lately. Still far more than 70% of the lights I see are quickly placed into the mundane category. I have also seen a marked increase in military aircraft over the last year; I saw a Predator Drone 3 weeks ago possibly two the second was too far away to be conclusive, I saw what could have been an orange coast guard heli with a huge section missing from the front portion like part of the fuselage was removed intentionally, lots of cargo carrier planes and this increased activity leaves the airspace over my house constantly filled with the din of aircraft.

This never used to happen and it worries me to a degree. However, I do see some other interesting lights that do not behave in the same fashion as aircraft, but I do see aircraft like in this video, all the time.

After seeing the clip of the jets in formation (and they are good!) I thought they do look awfully similar to what we saw in the "UFO" video.

And I thought they might have been jets EXCEPT for one single light that divided and swirled up over and around the others. Jets don't have just one light. If it was a jet, it looks like it split in half in the air.

Another question I have if they were jets is how they got them to fly in the same place with out the lights getting smaller or larger (as in moving forward or back from our line of vision) thus appearing stationary. The size of the lights did not change leading me to believe they were stationary and hovering.

Pretty amazing stuff that Chilean Air Force is up to!

This is a UFO filmed from a guys porch in the Ukraine Dec 2009
Looks similar at first but then the lights change color.
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by gortex


Maybe you should post it a forth time...maybe then it will look like the footage that was posted originally because now it doesn't come close...if anything, I think you are proving it was not planes.

This reminds me of the video in this thread, they are definitely planes. They showed the exactly same thing in daylight but i cant find that video. They are planes flying next to each other, definitely not ufos.

I've seen the video and read most of the thread.

I believe myself to be a skeptic, but the article provided that supposedly debunks the OP footage doesn't prove anything. It shows a bunch of planes in formation flying in a straight line.

Some questions to the skeptics if I may.

1) If it is so obvious that these are airplanes, there should be tons of footage out there with similar nighttime movement like the OP footage. Please link if available and remember, posting footage of a group of planes flying straight isn't similar movement.

2) If they were in landing formation, how come they didn't land. (I'm not a pilot so this might be a stupid question.

3) Can any pilots from this flight school or a similar school confirm/debunk this? I would like to hear from professionals who have had first hand experience.

4) There are flight schools all over the world, shouldn't we see more videos similar to the OP on a mass scale? Why just in Chile every year.

5) To the people who are so sure that they are airplanes, what exactly is it that makes you believe without a shadow of a doubt that those are airplanes. If you would have to wager a limb, would you do it?

Disclaimer: I am not in anyway stating that the lights in the OP are alien craft. They can be RC flying saucers, kites, ball lighting, swamp gas, CG, military craft, planes, etc. I believe that UFO are just that, UNIDENTIFIED. If you are going to identify it please come up with more sufficient evidence, as the masses, myself included, have not studied UFO phenomenon for a living.