UFO Fleet Over Chile December 16,2009

reply to post by Strype


Well put Strype, it seems to me that many are only out to "one up" Phage instead of looking into and investigating things themselves properly.

Pathetic and childish if you ask me.

[edit on 18/12/09 by Chadwickus]

Ok, I am now convinced that ATS Members are made up of the following::

90% of people who will believe anything without researching any facts and even when presented with the facts will just ignore them and continue posting there own interpretations of what they believe, is what everyone else should believe.
These people stick with each other, believing their "Far Out" stories. Eg. "Did anyone have an OBE (Out Of Body Experience) last Night?" Someone will come back and say " I Did, I think it's the start of the Niburu trying to contacts us and lets us know they are coming to blow up the world with their Orgonite Soul Collector"..
Then there be a whole swag of people quoting someone like Alex Collier to make their story stick....

And then 10% of people who actually give a damn about reality and don't believe all the crap that get's posted. They Can recognise a Fake/Hoax/CGI/"Reflections In Windscreen" video's and other real stories and do the research and then post the Facts without the worry of whether or not someone believes them or not. Their replies or threads are based on Facts, Proof or Witnessed Accounts of events that happened. Really Happened. They don't rely on Nutjobs like Alex Collier, If they can't substantiate their claims they don't post or don't start the thread. Unless of course it's a question about a topic and then if we are unlucky, one of the 90% will chime in with an answer that is totally unrelated to the question that was asked.

Oh well, I hope I didn't upset anyone but just look at this thread. The facts are getting ignored and people are still posting crapo..

Untill the Pilots flying these planes or company owning them
come forward and say,
"We flew that day in that area and did all thouse manuvers"

NOONE have FACTs..Thus remains UNIDENTYFIED

Otherwise, debunkers or believers can only SPECULATE..

GET IT

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Miccey]

Originally posted by Miccey
Untill the Pilots flying these planes or company owning them
come forward and say,
"We flew that day in that area and did all thouse manuvers"

NOONE have FACTs..Thus remains UNIDENTYFIED

Otherwise, debunkers or believers can only SPECULATE..

GET IT

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Miccey]

Yes, it's unidentified. There's also a boatload of evidence that has ALREADY been provided saying these are planes. Can you contact the "Alien Pilots" and have them come forward to paraphrase your quote?

No? Not possible? Of course not. And once again, we've returned to logic. Something the "believers" seem to leave out of every argument.

Gimme a break. Military exercises don't have to be, and usually are not public knowledge. They don't need to tell you every time they fly a plane. In fact, they don't need to tell you anything. Assuming it's something extraordinary because they won't give you their flight plans is just as naive as assuming it's from another planet.




Cheers,
Strype


Edit: In fact, I'll challenge any of you "Anti-Phagers" to provide ANY evidence that these are NOT planes. The door is open, lets hear it.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Strype]

Unless they are the secret government's new tech planes that can do those manouvres I would say they are definitely of ET origin.

Planes can't do that, now come on you know they can't, so stop being skeptical.

Originally posted by JackWestJr
Unless they are the secret government's new tech planes that can do those manouvres I would say they are definitely of ET origin.

Planes can't do that, now come on you know they can't, so stop being skeptical.

Planes can't do WHAT exactly? You've provided absolutely nothing to this discussion.


Cheers,
Strype


Edit: There's nothing seen in that video that planes aren't 100% capable of producing. Until you can provide evidence proving otherwise, your entire statement is moot, my friend. Videos and facts have already been provided stating that you're probably incorrect. I don't even have to post new information. You read the entire thread before making that comment, right?

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Strype]

Once we get a video of an object performing a ninety degree turn without banking or a sudden reversal in direction without deceleration then we will have something interesting. It's frustrating that UFOs are often described performing such manoeuvres but we usually only get videos like this where the objects are flying exactly like aeroplanes. The only video I've seen that differs from this rule is the Nellis Ufo Video

reply to post by Strype


As i say S.P.E.C.U.L.A.T.I.O.N....

What you ask of the believers you should first ask of yourself..

Do you have a video showing planes in the dark performing like
that?

And course i cant ask the Aliens to come forward as im not saying they
even ARE aliens..Read my post..And then read it again..
And nowere in my post or previous posts i say ALIEN or ET or
even VESSELS..

If you say..."Nope thats swampgas" provide a sample of swampgas-images or videos...With a relevance..If the orig vid is in dark yours
should be the same..
The vids of the planes are in Daylight and NON of them performs
like the OP´s..Thus not relevant..

And AGIAN...I do NOT say ALIENS, ET´s or VESSELS...
All i can say as i have no FACT´s to back me up...

U.N.I.D.E.N.T.Y.F.I.E.D

reply to post by Miccey


What exactly are they doing that's so unbelievable?

reply to post by MarrsAttax


Alight, if I were try and explain, I'd be completely de-railing the thread. In attempt to respond without changing the subject, I feel the link you've provided is awful for the case you were trying to make! That video shows nothing. Looks like balloons and has absolutely no frame of reference. We can't tell the size, distance or location of that object. We can't even tell if the "movement" is from the common shaky-hand/zoomed-in syndrome. Thankfully I've read a lot about the details behind that "supposed" UFO sighting, so debate isn't going to be necessary on this thread. Relating to the topic, I just felt that your link was a bad presentation of something that is supposed to show a craft making abnormal maneuvers.

Cheers,
Strype

Originally posted by Miccey
reply to post by Strype

 

What you ask of the believers you should first ask of yourself..

Do you have a video showing planes in the dark performing like
that?

Performing like what? Planes? Yeah, Youtube "Planes at night."


Edit: I'll provide links if you're lazy. Just let me know. Or better yet, show me exactly what maneuvers in that video, you feel planes are incapable of performing. I will then try to provide more easily accessible Youtube videos. And honestly, I hope you're able to prove me wrong, because I, just like yourself, would love for those to be Aliens from Outer Space. I just have no reason to believe that they are. Help me out, here.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Strype]

reply to post by dereks


No its not that its on purpose. Its simply VERY expensive to buy a camera which is capable of the clarity needed to capture definitive and conclusive images of something at that kind of range.
Most folks carry a small camera or use thier phones, arent dealing with a particularly high quality device. The level of optical perfection required to accurately and clearly record an image in dark conditions, while moving/tracking objects, and not have the light make a mess of the shot, well ... that aint small potatoes man. Thats grand after grand of investment, not to mention the fact that such an awesome camera wouldnt be the kind of thing you could just bung in a pocket and wander about with . To be honest, there arent really many good reasons for a person to get a camera that good unless that happens to be thier profession, and even then , thats specialist photography you are talking about.

I think it's been established that these are the lights of planes flying in formation.

We need to look at the video presented objectively.

I know that unconventional objects exist because I've seen one relatively close with my own eyes in good viewing conditions for 10 - 15 minutes to be able to rule out any (publicly) known aircraft. Looking at this video however, I don't see how anyone can say with confidence that these are UFOs. Yes, the movements of the lights can appear strange, but these are viewed from a fair distance and it can be difficult ascertaining actual movements from this range. Plus you also have to take into account that the film quality is (as usual) poor and it's taken at night.

Being an amateur astronomer I watch the nightsky on a regular basis and have seen all manner of lights that, at first glance, can appear unusual eg watching a 747 make its approach from a few miles away at night can look like a bright star-like light hovering. I could have filmed this and put it on youtube and it would look like a UFO. We can be very easily deceived by conventional lights due to distance and viewing conditions.

reply to post by L.HAMILTON


I like it at the end when the group to the left go back and regroup and then head the other way to catch up with the others without ever turning around.
I was just curious when planes started doing that?


Sure seems to be alot of effort to say this is not UFO type craft.......mesa smell stinkawiff.

Looking at the "Alien and UFO's" board shows alot of activity.

Didn't read most of the thread, but those are aircraft.

regular old human aircraft ho-hum.

Looks spectacular when you see nav-light systems all fired up at night.

anyway, interesting, but there are far too many hoaxes being perpetrated using night shots of regular aircraft.

It just increases the noise to signal ratio and makes it all the more difficult to determine what is worth watching and looking at and what is like this one.

Military exercises don't have to be, and usually are not public knowledge. They don't need to tell you every time they fly a plane. In fact, they don't need to tell you anything.

How nice. And that's perfectly normal and acceptable to you. The oh so "elite" military has every right to confuse the hell out of anyone who dares to take a video of them, and everyone else who sees it, and not utter a peep. Brilliant. How very Darth Vader Imperial. Typical arrogant punkASS military mentality!

As I said in my earlier post, the only real way to solve the argument is if someone can get a decent AUDIO recording of the engine noise of such a large formation, assuming, correctly or not, they're actually conventional aircraft.

ADD: Sorry I don't have the "quote" function mastered. The above quote was from Strype.

[edit on 18-12-2009 by Dean Goldberry]

Originally posted by Damian-007
Ok, I am now convinced that ATS Members are made up of the following::

90% of people who will believe anything without researching any facts and even when presented with the facts will just ignore them and continue posting there own interpretations of what they believe, is what everyone else should believe.


And then 10% of people who actually give a damn about reality and don't believe all the crap that get's posted.


Oh well, I hope I didn't upset anyone but just look at this thread. The facts are getting ignored and people are still posting crapo..

I think you will upset at least 90% of people here!

I'll say this again : it is a well researched part of human behaviour that shows once people believe in something than they refuse to acknowledge any evidence to the contrary no matter how much and how persuasive.

wrt this topic : It's dark with lights moving the distance. It could be anything. To me it looks like 3 planes caught in a stack waiting to land. At the start of the video one of the plans drops as it circles. I have seen many videos of blurred distance plane shots and they look exactly like this and as the plane gets closer and clearer and the lights become distinct you feel foolish believeing it was a UFO!

When looking at UFO is always best to take an analytical approach.

The video is long range thus the viewer is getting a very 2-d view of what is actually a 3-d event.

The z-axis in this case and MOST long range air video cases is very hard to determine even in broad daylight, the depth perception here is non-existent.

If you also take into account that your actual eyes don't work the way most people think they do, vision is based on juxtaposition, contrast, etc.

That means they are fairly easy to trick and dots are one of the "easier" ways to confuse your cortex simply because its lacks more input and your brain is trying to reference it.

Don't believe me try this www.michaelbach.de...
or this www.michaelbach.de...
There are literally countless examples.

reply to post by L.HAMILTON


Pretty simple cg, anyone can do it with the right software. The lights are organized too symetrically and their flight paths too irregular, they're not hovering, they're not moving away to get to some place, they're moving in a manner that you would expect from someone trying to fool people. In other words the flight paths appear in a way that is simpley to display the lights.

As pointed out by spacecase7717 on my thread dated 13.12.09 They are PLANES!!!!!!!
From the Youtube Poster

I expect this video can make clear the confusion in other videos of same thing in youtube, here is filmed with more light (sony DCR-TRV730 optical zoom 18x, using a tripod). at the end the plane shape is more evident. this is surely a training planes fleet , they only carry a fix front light , for some moments fly in front of the camera appearing to be static lights, later they turn and the light seem to vanish. To the naked eye or with less light , or a smaller zoom, is impossible to see the plane body, we would only thee its front light.