White Americans' majority to end by mid-century

reply to post by concernedcitizan


Oh come on...

white culture:

pizza, Beethoven's 5th symphony, pretzels, philosophy, Die Hard, football,
human rights, Christianity, Atheism, theatre, space exploration, The Karate Kid, baseball, science fiction, hockey, cowboy boots, automobiles, airplanes, freedom of speech, G.I. Joe, television, Lassie, 80s sunglasses, suntan lotion (lolz), push-up bra, rock-n-roll, poker, Elvis, techno music, soccer, Star Wars, Leave it to Beaver, videogames, firearms, The Mona Lisa, democracy, beer


I could go on...

[edit on 16-12-2009 by northexpedition]

I have to admit that I read the title and rolled my eyes thinking that it was another immigrant bashing thread. It's refreshing to see that it was exactly the opposite.

I am of the same mind you are OP. Who cares. If that's the way it's going to be then so be it. I really don't care the it may be my race that finds itself in the minority someday. What does that really mean anyway? Why would that scare anyone? Why do whites NEED to be the majority?

I would assume one only is disturbed by this notion when they think about the way they perceive minorities, as being somehow lesser. It's understandable to think that one would not want to be a minority if they see minorities in a negative way.

Talk about putting the shoe on the other foot.
Perhaps instead of being afraid, we should start rethinking how it is that we treat them so that we can be the example in the hopes that we will be treated as we would like to be treated if we were in the minority.

IF we are treated in a way contrary to what we would like, then I guess we're going to have to fight back like they do all the time.

reply to post by northexpedition


The egyptians invented beer. Thank god! I could never swallow ATS sober.

Originally posted by heyo
yes I agree.
The only way such an inclusive culture will survive is if those immigrating into it are of like mind.
...can't believe i forgot hockey.

I disagree. I think it's entirely possible to have multiple cultures coexisting.

Mexicans still have their culture. They celebrate and carry on with their traditions just as they would have in Mexico even though they are now in America. American's have even adopted some culture from them and they from us. (you can replace "Mexican" with any other nationality/ethnicity and it will still be true).

This isn't a negative thing. And it's voluntary. No one forced us to adopt theirs and we theirs. Of course we should fight back if we are forced to accept another persons cultures just like it wouldn't be right to force others to accept ours.

If you believe that the only reason Quebec has held on to its culture is because they kept others out, you may be right. However, if they were to let others in and that resulted in Quebec adopting other cultures, that's the fault of Quebec's. And the only culture they should forbid are those that infringe on the rights of others. (like the call to prayer ban in Sweden. I saw that as just).

Most cultures don't disappear, they just change and morph into something else, most likely due to a melding of multiple cultures. It may be different, but it doesn't have to be a bad thing. And no one can stop you from carrying on your traditions.

Originally posted by heyo

Originally posted by DaMod
(A day in 2050)
*White man walks into a bar*

Man: I'll take a bud light please.

Bartender: WE DON'T SERVE YOUR KIND HERE!

Welcome to America...

Man: I'll burn this place to the ground ifyou don't give me that beer.

Bartender: Over my dead body you jive cracka!

reply to post by concernedcitizan


If you are having any problems with the Dutch paperwork system or anything else NL related, U2U me. I may be able to help.

On topic, surely American culture is a melting pot of many different cultures?
It's why I love the place.

I'm not sure what white culture is, or European culture is. There are many different countries in Europe with many cultural differences being observable within each country, from town to town, county to county etc. Same as in the States. Tribal I guess...

America is the very embodiment of a multicultural country. It's what
(STILL)makes the place great, not armies or politicos, but her people make America great. White Americans won't lose their identity, just their majority, but American is American no?

Maybe all of us will eventually embrace each others differences in a sane manner and celebrate them before it's too late.

This line in the sand, borders and boundaries causes so much poppycock.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Thank God! This materialistic, selfish, consumerist, intolerant, fast-food, immediate gratification, fearful, spoiled, corrupt culture is nothing to be proud of.

BH I'm really surprised to read this from you. You know I respect the hell out of you but the above post really made me flinch. That was a horribly stereotypical and, yes, prejudiced thing to say.

Such comments are really bothersome from all angles. Directing them towards white people is no different. I'm getting a bit worried how so many think it is OK to say such things. As in, all cultures hold some beauty and should be respected except one.

You really only think intolerance comes from white American culture? That only white Americans eat fast food or are spoiled? You really think with white Americans becoming a minority that corruption, materialism, and instant self gratification will go away? All of those things are a human problem. Those things will still be around in 2050 but in different forms.

Please rethink what you said and try to contemplate the culture you are stereotyping without the self depreciation and negative generalizations. Not trying to single you out but I have seen this sense of self loathing and white guilt from others and find it very disturbing. I don't think we're anything special but we are a beautiful culture of our own, too. All cultures have their beauty and ugliness and we are no different. Sometimes I even fall into the trap of 'white guilt' as if I have to engage in self flagellation for all the wrong others have done but I try to quickly see the error of my ways and snap out of it because I recognize it as a disturbing trend.

All the qualities you mention are certainly not good qualities but 1). It's not just white Americans. 2). Those behaviors will not suddenly vanish along with a white majority. 3). White American culture has beauty in it just like everything else.

[edit on 12/16/2009 by AshleyD]

reply to post by Sam Vimes


Thanks for your offer. I'm here setting up my companies Euro branch. I don't think I'm going to apply. And I agrre with you. The longer we embrace nationalism the longer we will have to wait for peace. Thanks again.

reply to post by concernedcitizan


Well good luck getting things up and running.

Of course it's not just America, some Dutch see their cultural identity being eroded and of course there are poliTits on hand to fan their flames of suspicion and fear of change. It's all over the world. Sometimes I feel like I'm being tenderized and marinated.....

Originally posted by AshleyD
BH I'm really surprised to read this from you.

If you're really surprised, maybe you should have considered that you may have misunderstood or misinterpreted what I'm saying. I didn't say anything about white people. I'm talking about the culture of the US. You don't have to be white to be totally immersed in the culture. I was responding to someone who said that we would lose the culture that we've built up over the past 200 years.

I don't think we're anything special but we are a beautiful culture of our own, too.

I disagree. I can't say we have a beautiful culture. Yes, we can pick out specifics and find some beauty in it, and yes, all cultures have good and bad. But overall, I'm not at all happy with it. I think we have the POTENTIAL to be a great culture, but we lost our way long ago and have become a nasty, short-sighted, selfish culture. That's my cynical view of it at this time.

The white guilt thing is irrelevant as I'm not talking about skin color, but a culture. Not of white people, but of the US.

Say Good Buy

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I think we have the POTENTIAL to be a great culture, but we lost our way long ago and have become a nasty, short-sighted, selfish culture. That's my cynical view of it at this time.

Ha! You're just jealous because you don't have all the things I have.

See this? That's right, it's a genuine iPod Touch™ USB cable adapter!

And that's your problem. You don't have one, so you're all snarky and jealous, because everyone knows that he who has the most toys wins. Screw all that other touchy-feely crap about spirituality and stuff.

It's all about how much you OWN and how much you CONSUME. Only by OWNING and CONSUMING more than everyone else can you possibly hope to WIN.

THAT's the American culture I know and love!

See how shallow your world view is compared to the red-blooded American world view?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic


I disagree. I can't say we have a beautiful culture. Yes, we can pick out specifics and find some beauty in it, and yes, all cultures have good and bad. But overall, I'm not at all happy with it. I think we have the POTENTIAL to be a great culture, but we lost our way long ago and have become a nasty, short-sighted, selfish culture. That's my cynical view of it at this time.

That has not been my experience of American culture in America. It is the face of America I'm presented through media. I have spent a total of about 8 months in the States, not a great deal of time I know, and all I found was warmth, help, openness and hospitality. Admittedly I didn't go looking for negative experiences and even though I had a bit of a jaded 'limey' attitude before my first visit, America was nothing but welcoming. I know it has problems...like everywhere else.

I completely understand your cynicism, it's good people like yourself that turn things around though.

I swear I think some of you ATSers live in a bubble. You have a very fairytale view of the world. America is not the embodiment of ANYTHING least of all multiculturalism. Do any of you understand the definition of culture?

Culture = The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization or group.

There is nothing American about Muslim "culture". And this isn't to bash Muslims. But American and Muslim culture are two completely different beasts. They cannot coexist within the same border. What America embodies is the common thread of freedom and liberty. America embraces capitalism and the free market. Equal rights for all men and women. Not all cultures throughout the world embrace the same values that Americans do both economically and politically. So some of you are living in lala land when you claim America embodies different culture. That's not true. Much of American ideals and values stem from the French Revolution. Others come from the insight of our Founding Fathers. America is one of the most or was the most unique place on Earth that attracted people from all walks of life. But what bound them together and united them all was freedom and liberty..........individual liberty moreover. That is American culture and that is what is unique. Do you think Mexicans or Chinese, or Muslims understand individual liberty? Hell no! Many foreigners and foreign countries embrace and espouse socialism or worse as far as history goes.

Some of you really need to realize that there will ALWAYS be people that want to live life differently from everyone else. There are billions of muslims in the world. They do NOT assimilate. And I would never want them to. Just as I would never want to be a Muslim. So yes culture is important and multiculturalism NEVER works in the end. And it's not working in America.

I sort of LAUGH my booty off when I see these predictions about the end of White culture by any date.

#1 Hispanics are for all Intents and purposes Caucasian European...

I mean, seriously I always trip on these threads because, I am sort of a person who wants his Culture to remain, to have certain traditions be around for Americana (at least aspects of it) to exist, I don't think EXTREME diversity can exist without what the media pushes which to me is.... a Bland State run culture where we follow State ideals and give up our cultures individually...

Not due to ANY Iota of Racism, simply Islam and Christianity wont co exist, they will simply Bar Religion

and

Race wont exist we will ethnically be integrated into a beige on purpose for conflict to be avoided...

And I know what replaces it all will be and is sort of already the STATE and that is sucky life for all of us.


BUT

LOL

That brings me back to;

At the same time How Lilly white do you need everyone to be to even Say Our culture will be a Minority when the ONLY viable reason for that would be Hispanics?

How Racist and Idiotic lol,

Mexicans are mainly on average over 50% caucasian/spanish/European which ever term you prefer, a large number are higher than 70% Caucasian by Genome

Culture Catholic... Judeo Christian...

What do these guys need to do use Bleach like Michael Jackson and remove that bit of a Tan in order to be accepted?

How are they any different in regards to Caucasian Assimilation than the Italians Jews and Greeks that Came over this century all 100 yrs later consider Caucasian after intermingling?

I've never ever ever...aside from a very Minor language issue understood how Hispanics (particular much of South America) are put on a list of cultures that will (alter our culture)

Same Values, mainly same or near same genetics, same for all intents and purposes Religion (and lets face it ALLOT of them hold to "our values" better than we have been)

That leaves the mix...

Cacasian/Hispanic +50 years = Caucasian

Then Islam, which we will never allow mass emigration from

Asian which also we keep immigration rather low (and no one minds Asians anyway)

Then African Americans... who, are slowly going to reduce in number 40 Million African Americans Divided by 450 Million Caucasian/Hispanics in a day and age where relationship boundaries are not limited equals... No offense to anyone..please but with those numbers there will be Half as Many Black people, maybe technically by number similar but half to 2/3 will be allot closer to Obama, Mullatto then the population is now, if anything, they are threatened not us...

A Continent that looks allot like Europe in 50 years

Lilly white at top with a tan at the bottom

90% Judeo Christian Faith/ 90% Predominantly (over 60-70% Caucasian Genetics by birth) well over half the population in the 90% range Caucasian by Skin color and appearance...

Sorry

But Factoring in Hispanics as "another race" is just propaganda
and maybe straight Racism too...

Even the Nazis when they fled were happy to blend in South America LOL

I have never met a second generation American Hispanic who culturally, religiously, morally or Linguistically was any different than me in anyway I could find disturbing to my life aside from a bit of pigment and darker hair.. Nothing and frankly.... Brunettes are HOT

Grouping Hispanics as in 50 years being NOT Caucasian living in this Nation over time all things considered is getting Borderline ARYAN if you ask me...



[edit on 16-12-2009 by mopusvindictus]

Originally posted by Majic
Ha! You're just jealous because you don't have all the things I have.

Majic, I still have to ask people what button to push on their cell phone on the occasion that I borrow it to make a call. You're right, I don't have an iPod™ of any kind, wouldn't know what to do with a Wii if I had one, and my telephones all have wires coming out of them. All BY CHOICE.

THAT's the American culture I know and love!

Yeah. You get me.

Originally posted by nunya13

Originally posted by heyo
yes I agree.
The only way such an inclusive culture will survive is if those immigrating into it are of like mind.
...can't believe i forgot hockey.

I disagree. I think it's entirely possible to have multiple cultures coexisting.

Mexicans still have their culture. They celebrate and carry on with their traditions just as they would have in Mexico even though they are now in America. American's have even adopted some culture from them and they from us. (you can replace "Mexican" with any other nationality/ethnicity and it will still be true).

This isn't a negative thing. And it's voluntary. No one forced us to adopt theirs and we theirs. Of course we should fight back if we are forced to accept another persons cultures just like it wouldn't be right to force others to accept ours.

If you believe that the only reason Quebec has held on to its culture is because they kept others out, you may be right. However, if they were to let others in and that resulted in Quebec adopting other cultures, that's the fault of Quebec's. And the only culture they should forbid are those that infringe on the rights of others. (like the call to prayer ban in Sweden. I saw that as just).

Most cultures don't disappear, they just change and morph into something else, most likely due to a melding of multiple cultures. It may be different, but it doesn't have to be a bad thing. And no one can stop you from carrying on your traditions.

But is it working though? America is in a perpetual racially charged atmosphere. It is fine to say it is happening, but to claim it is working is premature.
I can't find much on google about preAmerican civilizations that became diverse. The best way to gauge the results of such an "experiment" would be to look at the histories imo.

Well, to me, White culture is pop music(or aspirations to become a popstar), "cool dressing," dating, and the freedom of speech. Considering that many other countries seem to copy these ideas as their economy improves and that English has become the unofficial language, I don't see why people should be worried.

reply to post by nunya13


Mexicans don't hold Mexican Culture per say any much Longer than Italians or Greeks or Jews do...

They are very Pride oriented to their culture, in the same way I stick to having some of my Ethnic foods and Holidays as a Small part of my life...

Yeah in 50 years if you were of Mexican ancestry you might still get a Pinata on your kids birthday, your wife if also Mexican decent will make a mean Burrito lol

But come on aside form food... and Cinco De mayo (a welcome addition if you ask me glug glug) How are second generation Mexicans anything at all different than us?

I mean LOL

I think

They are the last culture on earth that even likes us or wants to assimilate fully with us...

We hype up marches by bands of a few hundred moronic Reconquista types but the reality is Mexicans totally like it here... they don't come here like people from say the Middle East and want to change us or not marry us, or put a different set of Religious values on us...

They do ADD a few things and well... those things are Decent, Food, Music it blends almost seamlessly Just like all the European Immigrants of the previous century

reply to post by mopusvindictus


What are you talking about? Culture is what matters........not some random statistic that 70% of hispanics are caucasian. We all have monkey genes in us too so what? The point is just like with muslim culture hispanic culture is antithetical to American culture. The Founding Fathers were all caucasian and most came from Europe i.e. were educated under european values, traditions and beliefs. I'm sorry the Founding Fathers weren't hispanic, chinese, or arabic. Get over it! If the Chinese believe so much in American values and culture maybe they should have started their own America hundreds of years ago. Same goes for Hispanics. I mean after all didn't Columbus have his chance at one time?

I really don't understand the point you are trying to make.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


WRONG, many Mexicans are socialist by nature. Look at the history of Mexico or worse look at the history of South America........it is socialist by nature. You have no clue what you're talking about. That's why there is such a disparity between the rich and the poor in countries like Mexico and Brazil etc. Slowly that's changing but one of the cornerstones of America and American democracy errr our Constitutional Republic is CAPITALISM or the FREE.......(there's that word free again) MARKET! We are hardly a capitalistic country anymore but capitalism, like it or not is what made this country what it is/was...and like it or not the free market is the only way to achieve true prosperity and economic freedom.