The Zionists Strike Again - Now It's Football!

Originally posted by mattpryor

Those Evil Zionists

We've all heard of the evils of the worldwide Zionist conspiracy. Whether it's illegal organ trafficking, poisoning wells, instigating unrest in Iran, the credit crunch, climate change or stirring up trouble in Africa, you can bet your bottom dollar that somewhere, someone will believe that the hidden hand of Zionism is at work behind the scenes.

Iraq and Afghanistan? Nothing to do with oil, WMD, or 9/11. It's all about the Zionists and their crazy NWO agenda.

Iran / Iraq war? 8 years of senseless violence between a crazed murderous dictator and a religious nut job? Wrong - it was the Zionists!

Gang violence? Urban poverty? Religious intolerance? Government corruption? Waste? War? Famine? Disease? Swine Flu? There's a very simple cure to all these human failings - Blame the Joos! Then it ceases to be your problem and becomes their problem. Genius!

So now we have the latest act of deplorable evil which bears all the hallmarks of the Zionists - football violence! Now I always thought that this phenomenon was the result of an incendiary cocktail of angry young men, tribalism, testosterone and (sometimes) alcohol - but no! It turns out I was wrong all along. In fact football violence is also the Joos' fault. Who'd of thunk it?

World Cup

In the build up to the world cup qualifier between Algeria and Egypt everyone could smell trouble. Everyone knew it was going to kick off. The local media made sure of it with seditious and agitating headlines.

Sure enough, when the match took place it turned nasty. The Algerian team bus came under attack from 200 angry stone-throwing Egyptian youths in Cairo. After the match 32 people were hurt in violent attacks, and Egyptian business in Algiers were pillaged.

Press alarm at Egypt-Algeria football violence
Verbal war over Egypt-Algeria tie
Algeria footballers hurt in Cairo

Reading through these pages it seems like a clear cut case of nationalism and intolerance gone mad. But now the dust has settled and people have had a chance to think about, it's clear who was behind this violence. It couldn't possibly be the fault of the Algerians. Or the Egyptians. Or the media. There was only one possible explanation - the Zionists were behind it! In fact, in the mind of the Egyptian ambassador Ahmad Al-Ghamrawi it goes further even that than - football itself is a Zionist conspiracy to keep Arabs fighting each other!

Ahmad Al-Ghamrawi blames Zionism for all the problems in the Arab world

Now sarcasm and irony aside, I do find this a disturbing mindset. He mentions that Europe is becoming more united, and even Africa appears to be on the road to political unity (really? Under Ghadaffi?), and yet the "Arab world" remains divided and locked in internal struggle. This is a valid observation, and one can understand the sense of frustration - although he should also remember that European "unity" has only come about after centuries of warfare and slaughter on an industrial scale. But instead of looking at the root causes of this problem he lays the blame firmly at the feet of Zionism, the US and the West.

One hopes that the average person on the street watching this would think he's a crack pot. But I suspect that this is a fairly mainstream view in those parts of the world, and will become a rallying cry in years to come.

This is all TRUE? Are they just Communist?
The trouble is---- any one of common decency and truthfulness would know that Arabs don't play football. Did the Israeli team loose too!
World Cup football? What the f@#k!
Matt are you a non- Jewish Zionist?

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Don't insult your own intelligence by pretending to be obtuse. We both know that I was paraphrasing.

You see a distinction between being Jewish and being pro-Zionist. Good for you. Not all of us pro-Zionists are Jewish. Not all Jewish people are pro-Zionist. But I'm sure you're bright enough to know that most Jew haters see no such distinction. Or do you deny that Jew hatred exists?

If pro-Zionism is to support Jewish self-determination and the Jewish peoples' right to self-governance then what, please tell, is anti-Zionism?

reply to post by mattpryor


Exactly Matt and you dont help matters do you?
I'm not interested in your onion Matt.
Just call it freedom.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


You didn't answer my question. But you have confused me enough to dissuade me from further debate on the matter. So congratulations... I guess!

reply to post by mattpryor


I was very alarmed at the title of your post then I found out Oh it's only soccer. Now if the Zionist mess with American NFL Football I'd have to do something about it!


Seriously. Those games get so violent and there are high tensions around the games. Rugby can be a killer. I understand you guys don't have penalties for personal fouls in the games. If that is true, that is a big part of the problem. Lawlessness. If these guys suddenly had to give up a million dollars a game for a personal foul the games would be a lot safer and fans wouldn't get so riled up to do things like throw rocks.

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by Carseller4

 

Surprised to hear you say that as the US has qualified for the World Cup!

And you're playing Algeria on June 18th - I hope your team has an armour plated car

They did? I had no idea. No doubt the soccer freaks will use this to once again push soccer to Americans. They do this every few years, but it really never catches on. June is the time of year where the NBA playoffs are in full swing and baseball takes over. Really no room for soccer interest here.

"Iran / Iraq war? 8 years of senseless violence between a crazed murderous dictator and a religious nut job?"

"Zionists are the "other" that in the view of his ilk have caused all of the problems in the Arab world; the real culprit is a mixture of technological progress, oil grabs and a feudal / tribal mentality"

"Tell me, does lumping everyone who has different political opinions to you together and giving them a label make it easier to hate them? Or does it make it easier to get other people to hate them?"


Like lumping people together who have different political opinions by calling them "crazed and murderous", "nut jobs" and having a "feudal/tribal mentality"? By making such stereotypical generalizations, maybe you're the one who should be answering your own question.

reply to post by SphinxMontreal


Saddam Hussein was a crazed dictator. Not as bad as his two sons, but pretty bad by most standards.

Ayatollah Khomeini was a religious nut job.

I don't see what I've said that's controversial, but I certainly didn't mean any offence by it so please accept my apologies if you took any.

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by SphinxMontreal

 

Saddam Hussein was a crazed dictator. Not as bad as his two sons, but pretty bad by most standards.

Ayatollah Khomeini was a religious nut job.

I don't see what I've said that's controversial, but I certainly didn't mean any offence by it so please accept my apologies if you took any.

This is exactly why Israel and Iran should play 4 out of 5 football games.
Winner take all. Case closed.
Bring the American military home and stop the carnage.


[edit on 16-12-2009 by Donny 4 million]

I'm sorry, but is anyone else blown away by the sheer absurdity of this?

Its kind of like the word 'terrorist'. You can mold it to fit any group you would like.

To the OP: I think you need to be very careful not to confuse prejudice with truth.

reply to post by Carseller4


Erm very easy as it's called football everywere else but yankville, americans calling gridiron football is confusing as you use your hands most of the time, as for it being a third world sport lol it's the world most popular sport! Dam even cricket's more popular than gridiron!!!!

reply to post by mattpryor


Dear matt I would like to know why you even bother making these threads your rather unfunny attempt at breaking the ice put me at a loss to your actual views what are you trying to say? you said in one of your above posts that the israeli operation cast lead was a "defensive".I doubht the people of gaza see it that way they saw it as a massacre or an "offensive" i see it as neither infact to put it cruely i see it a lulzy i mean.

I know the IDF doesn't want to kill civilians but in any war that is what you get and the muslims use that to justify there cause thus the spiral of violence continues. How do YOU see this? as progress? as hinderence? or as humanities ever selfish nature that will destroy us all?

Ofcourse as an atheist i see all religions as evil and the sooner they are phased out by rational thinking the better.

But I suspect that this is a fairly mainstream view in those parts of the world, and will become a rallying cry in years to come.

And on what grounds, sir ?
This assumption of yours is the base of the entire thread. The other guest, the contradictor, is at one point almost laughing at Mr Al-Ghamrawi and by the end of the vid explains very clearly his disagreement, that they should not point the finger at Israel or the US but learn from what happened and improve the Egyptian character, I am almost paraphrasing.
The interviewer has repeatedly, at least twice, asked "Mr Ambassador do you think it's a Zionist conspiracy ?" like "hey, let's get this clear, this is an extraordinary and extravagant claim you are making, I want to be sure my ears are properly functionning".

Why do you favor the extremist and likely unique opinion to be the mainstream one ? Only because it's an Arab country ?

I believe I have already asked you that question monthes ago, what are you achieving with this ? What are you aiming towards ? Mutual understanding, improvement of relations, relief of tensions ? I think not.

You are right to denounce the despicable pattern of blaming a people for everything and fantasies. But you are wrong when doing it with this same despicable pattern of demonizing another people.

[edit on 16-12-2009 by Manouche]

Originally posted by windowlicker80
reply to post by Carseller4

 

Erm very easy as it's called football everywere else but yankville, americans calling gridiron football is confusing as you use your hands most of the time, as for it being a third world sport lol it's the world most popular sport! Dam even cricket's more popular than gridiron!!!!

So you call cricket Baseball? Yanks got that too.
What do you call soccer? Parliament?
Do you bloaks play the Egyptians and Zionists?

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
I'm sorry, but is anyone else blown away by the sheer absurdity of this?

Its kind of like the word 'terrorist'. You can mold it to fit any group you would like.

To the OP: I think you need to be very careful not to confuse prejudice with truth.

The whole point of the post was to highlight the absurdity of the man's opinions. Seems to be lost on some...

Originally posted by rationaluser
reply to post by mattpryor

 

Dear matt I would like to know why you even bother making these threads your rather unfunny attempt at breaking the ice put me at a loss to your actual views what are you trying to say? you said in one of your above posts that the israeli operation cast lead was a "defensive".I doubht the people of gaza see it that way they saw it as a massacre or an "offensive" i see it as neither infact to put it cruely i see it a lulzy i mean.

I know the IDF doesn't want to kill civilians but in any war that is what you get and the muslims use that to justify there cause thus the spiral of violence continues. How do YOU see this? as progress? as hinderence? or as humanities ever selfish nature that will destroy us all?

Ofcourse as an atheist i see all religions as evil and the sooner they are phased out by rational thinking the better.

Well the whole offensive / defensive definition is a bit muddy and depends on your point of view. I would argue that Israel's war against Hamas was certainly defensive. The aim was to stop Hamas from shelling Israeli population centres. It seems to have worked, by and large. But we can (and have) argue that till we're blue in the face. The Iraq war on the other hand was offensive since Iraq posed no direct threat to the US, Britain or allies.

As for the point of the post, I was highlighting the absurdity of the point of view, and expressing concern that it is commonly held in the political elite of countries such as Egypt.

Hope that clears up where I'm coming from.

Originally posted by Manouche
But I suspect that this is a fairly mainstream view in those parts of the world, and will become a rallying cry in years to come.

And on what grounds, sir ?
This assumption of yours is the base of the entire thread. The other guest, the contradictor, is at one point almost laughing at Mr Al-Ghamrawi and by the end of the vid explains very clearly his disagreement, that they should not point the finger at Israel or the US but learn from what happened and improve the Egyptian character, I am almost paraphrasing.
The interviewer has repeatedly, at least twice, asked "Mr Ambassador do you think it's a Zionist conspiracy ?" like "hey, let's get this clear, this is an extraordinary and extravagant claim you are making, I want to be sure my ears are properly functionning".

Why do you favor the extremist and likely unique opinion to be the mainstream one ? Only because it's an Arab country ?

I believe I have already asked you that question monthes ago, what are you achieving with this ? What are you aiming towards ? Mutual understanding, improvement of relations, relief of tensions ? I think not.

You are right to denounce the despicable pattern of blaming a people for everything and fantasies. But you are wrong when doing it with this same despicable pattern of demonizing another people.

[edit on 16-12-2009 by Manouche]

You make a fair point and it's certainly given me pause for thought.

But the Egyptian Ambassador is a member of the political classes, and it worries me that he believes the stuff he's saying. Obviously most educated and intelligent people (such as the anchorman) realise that this is a ridiculous point of view. But Egypt is not a terribly well educated country, having one of the lowest literacy rates in the world, so I'm not sure I share your optimism.

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

 

If pro-Zionism is to support Jewish self-determination and the Jewish peoples' right to self-governance then what, please tell, is anti-Zionism?

Very simple---
It is anti-Communism. Ya know, a lot like your socialist non participating country. How many Canadian Zionists are in uniform in Iraqi?
A platoon, a company, a brigade?
Get real bias matt.

reply to post by Donny 4 million


Excuse me, are you trying to tell me that Zionism is Communism?

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Excuse me, are you trying to tell me that Zionism is Communism?

Well sure, What was or is Marxism? Bolshevism?

Rabbi Stephen Wise is also famous for the quote: "Some call it Communism; I call it Judaism!"

Can you separate Zionism from Judaism?

Can you separate Canada from Socialism and non participation in the holy wars?

One thing for sure is, you cheerlead for Zionism while my countrymen and women die doing something about it.

Zionist are great instigators but when the going gets tough they split for safe haven and leave all those that digested their ideology to suffer.
Think Spain,France, Germany, Poland, Isreal/Palistine