Conspiracy Debunked - Santa does Exist

I think like turb1 said, your just mocking this site. And if your not then at least show some evidence. But really i doubt Santa is real.

Originally posted by yzzyUK
For the love all things wet are some people totally devoid of humour?

Don't like? Dont read..... read it already and dont like? Don't coment! you do still have free will..... for a few years anyway! he he he

The world according to ATS isn't going to collapse just because a few people found humour in using the 'deny ignorance' mantra funny when linked with Santa....

Sheesh kebab!

I'm sorry i don't find it 'funny' making up more nonsense to pile onto the 9/11 murder case..

I wish I could laugh it'd certainly be easier.

Maybe we should have called the site abovetophumour??

Most secrets are funny, because madness, is hilarious.

It's not so hilarious when it happens to you, as I've said - another nice fallacy to add to 9/11 truth and debunker fallacies - believe me, theres plenty of them - I just can't see what's humorous about demeaning conspiracy with another fallacy - to prove what - that all conspiracy is fallacy???

Arghh come on, why can't people just stick to facts. Who comes on here to laugh and make fun?? If your answer is no, you're here for what this site is supposed to be, a place to question fallacies to disprove or prove a conspiracy, or top secret rumour - NOT to make up 'examplar stories' which are knowingly based on meaningless data, to defraud the meaning of the 9/11 conspiracy ..

if you want to disprove the silly 9/11 theories, and 'stories' like your santa clause one, why doesn't the OP quote some facts to the 9/11 truthers.. rather than revert to the same CIA/jesuit disinformational tactics employed to hide truth - i.e. petit bickering, name calling, saying it is a joke, have a sense of humour, if not that then downright lies and intentionally misleading data - surely this is no matter of betterness than the so called 'self perceived threat of 9/11 truth fallacy idiocy being' - called out by the OP originally';

If not any of the above, then quite specifically creating totally fictional stories as supposed to the 'total proof' implied by the OP, of supposed idiocy of ones such as the 9/11 truthers, basing on co-incidental fact - the OP instead goes to lengths to prove nothing, but matches the perceived fallacies of 9/11 'unbelievers' so called and perceived 'fallacies' by providing one of his own.

How is this useful? . My theory is, it's not supposed to be. Apparently its a 'joke'. Jokes aren't supposed to be useful. They are supposed to cheer you up. doh. :-)

Perhaps the OP should think about, instead of matching supposed 9/11 truther fallacy 'madness' - he or she could concentrate on bettering it.. not equaling it. As by the own perception, that'd be aiming for madness. It's a thesis of contradiction all by itself

Irony for you. Ironically, that is typical Jesuit tactics.. not that I buy into all of that Vatican conspiracy stuff. It's easy when you see one fallacy supposedly trumping another.. stop fighting fire with fire, start fighting facts with fiction!! It seems to work a treat on ATS ..

All we need do is think

my extra 2 cents, lol

!!!!

Abductee

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Last Thoughts: Perhaps the OP shouldn't try to demonstrate madness in a rational way, or an irrational way, to really meet the madness claimed exemplary you'd have to be a nutter yourself.. I don't even think you could match that if you are supposedly scientifically based, so maybe it'd be a good idea to stop trying to replicate 9/11 madness and bother to , with some facts, to enlighten supposed 9/11 truthers fallacies with facts, instead of more supposed fictions, that is if its progress you want and not to make jokes in the conspiracy debunked section

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Originally posted by turb1
Seems like your mocking the site, this is stupid, people slow down and read it again. This is the stupidest bull# I have ever read, come on santa?

Sense of humor....

Do you have it?

When you lose the ability to laugh at yourself, you lose the right to laugh at others.

I know this is supposed to be a "HAHA" thread, but, yeah THERE WAS a Santa.

The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in the village of Patara. At the time the area was Greek and is now on the southern coast of Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships.


Under the Roman Emperor Diocletian, who ruthlessly persecuted Christians, Bishop Nicholas suffered for his faith, was exiled and imprisoned. The prisons were so full of bishops, priests, and deacons, there was no room for the real criminals—murderers, thieves and robbers. After his release, Nicholas attended the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. He died December 6, AD 343 in Myra and was buried in his cathedral church, where a unique relic, called manna, formed in his grave. This liquid substance, said to have healing powers, fostered the growth of devotion to Nicholas. The anniversary of his death became a day of celebration, St. Nicholas Day, December 6th (December 19 on the Julian Calendar).

He Was real!!

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
It is believed that Santa Clause, aka Kris Kringle aka "St. Nick", is residing in a cave somewhere in the mountainous regions of the North Pole in the Arctic region.

But it's quite roomy inside, being carved out deeper & deeper into the frozen underground...Very much expanded from Santa's earliest days. He's built up very modern inside, with loads of automation in the toy factory levels. What? You'd think Santa wouldn't account for increasing world population? Even though he doesn't gift naughty children, he still has to stop by long enough to drop coal in their stockings; Why do you think the EPA is trying to get us off Coal Plants? Santa has to get his supply from somewhere.
As for his speed...Of course no one could actually see him; No camera in the world could even hope to capture his image, even if he passes right in front of it. How many stops does he have to make in one night on a planet with a population closing on the 7 billion mark? I doubt even Superman or the Flash could keep up with him.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
The legend of Santa Clause and the actual historical evidence of the man are often contradictory and yet often remarkably the same....
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...The option of ham might have something to do with the portrayals of Santa where he is constantly laughing in a forced hammed up laugh; "ho-ho-ho!"

Well, there have, of course, been a lot of embellishments over the centuries, but that's to be expected. Although it's pretty much a "given" that every legend has its basis in fact, legends also tend to pick up a lot of "glitz & glamor," especially in the modern age when MSM gets into the act too.
I think the differences in "household dinner menu" across the world does have its basis in religious doctrines, though. After all, besides the 10 Commandments, Moses added a lot of other "policies" into the Hebrew religion...Including dietary practices. Muslims also have their own take on acceptable diet. There's lots more examples, but I think the point gets across with just these two examples.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
St. Nick, constantly on the "lam", took up the alias of Kris Kringle and moved to Germany for a while where he lived in relative obscurity until the rise of Nazi Germany.

Aw, c'mon...You can't seriously believe all of that, can you? His whole origin story is documented in that old Rankin-Bass Christmas Show named "Santa Claus is Comin' To Town." It even reveals that he was originally a redhead & Mrs. Claus' first name is Jessica! The bits about his being able to use magic are true though...Part of it includes the ability to "skip" through time so that he can make his yearly journey around the world. This is why NORAD can still catch "radar glimpses" of him but still makes it impossible to shoot him down.

Originally posted by TaraLou
But why does he usually bring you presents you don't want?

Well, when you write a letter to Santa, he doesn't always get it in a timely manner...I think we all know that the US Postal System isn't worth crap, just like the rest of the government. When that happens, he has to guess by default & even a legend can't always guess right.

Originally posted by vjr1113
I had an uncle that worked as a security guard at Los Alamos.

He said he saw Santa being escorted in by MIB.

Maybe, but Santa's got a lot of tricks up his sleeve. You'll never see it reported in MSM because it would make the MIB's look like fools, but he used his "finger on the side of his nose" trick to escape.

Originally posted by NewWorldDisorder
You're all full of crap. Why is it that I left the fatman home baked cookies (and a pint of whisky) as a child and never received more than an empty plate of cookies and woke to the sound of this jerk throwing an empty bottle at my bedroom door.

no more chritsmas crap!!!!

Try substituting a chocolate milkshake for the whiskey. It's proven that alcohol increases the risk of frostbite & a milkshake won't get him drunk. The reason why some governments try to shoot him down is because he's already flying without a pilot's license & there you were, trying to add "Operating Under the Influence" to that. Besides that, what's going to happen to Santa when the booze gets to his bladder at 20,000' anyway? Do you want the guy to piss his pants & freeze to the seat of his sleigh?

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Originally posted by ancient_wisdom
...Santa is a known sex offender, just ask every kid whose ever seen mommy kissing Santa. What a perv....

Yeah, well, nobody's perfect...Even a legend. You shouldn't forget the charge of Vehicular Manslaughter for Grandma getting run over by a reindeer...

Originally posted by atlasastro
Santa had a major Sleigh malfunction while conducting test flights on his new ZERO Emissions Reindeer.

Problem is, Obama's forcing him into the new environmental policies...

Originally posted by piddles
I worked in retail for 3 years and had christmas shoved down my throat like a sharpened candy cane (ha!). Maybe I don't like seeing it on the front page of the world's biggest conspiracy site, stealing attention away from probably more important issues?

Perhaps you have a legitimate reason for the attitude...But like anything else you run across on the internet, you can choose to exercise the Right to not view or participate. But everyone else also has the corresponding Right to not obey your call to stop starring & flagging the thread.

Originally posted by freakyclown
Star and Flag just to annoy the people who take things too serious

I second that motion...er...action (or would that be 3rd, or 4th, or...I got to this thread a little late). ATS doesn't have to be all doom-n-gloom, ya' know.

Originally posted by nik1halo
And that is exactly the spirit to have when dealing with the public menace that is Santa.
He's gonna take over the World I tells ya!

Well, if spreading joy & lightening the heart in these all too depressing times is a crime, then I certainly hope that Santa succeeds in taking over the world...After all, he'd be much better than the career-politicians & greedy banksters in charge now!

Originally posted by downtown436
With all those people hunting him for all these years, they would have found him by now.

Gee, don't people say the same about Bigfoot, the Jersey Devil & the Loch Ness Monster (to name a few)?

Originally posted by randel
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Rudolf did nasty things to my dog last year ...

Hmmm...I hate to say this, but since reindeer do not fall within the legal definition of "person," I'm afraid the legal system won't do anything about pressing charges...Merry Christmas to you & your dog...

Originally posted by Realtruth
Wow!
You are all officially twisted and disturbed.
Go seek help.

Well, when the current events going on worldwide are initiated by the insane & far too many people blindly follow that insanity, then the only sane & rational response to to go insane...Is it not? So, when the whole world has gone insane, where, precisely, can the sane get help?

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Threads like this is the reason i stopped coming to this site. Sad to see nothing has changed...

Originally posted by aristocrat2
Conspiracy Theorists claim that Santa does not exist and that it is an "inside job" but parents.

Okay, let's de-bunk the de-bunking here, shall we?

For my entire life I have known that Santa Claus was a fraud, and here's why.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
This is can be shown to be unsound, using the same logic and principles that "9/11 Debunkers" use.

Using the same de-bunking methods as those de-bunking Government shills who lie to the the sheeple, I shall demonstrate how the illicit maneuvers of one Kris Kringle, really happen.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
Consider...

Consider, the man on the Grassy Knoll, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the J.F.K. assassination, and this counters the 9/11 de-bunking.

Just like Lee Harvey Oswald, you too can see Santa in every single Shopping Mall all across America, just like multiple people saw L.H.O. many locations before the "magic bullet" that killed J.F.K.

This is because there is no Santa, the fat man retired long ago after being caught by the C.I.A. when he would not assist in the assassination of Fidel Castro during the build up to the Cuban Missile Crisis (Kris Kringle is in Abu Ghraib, not on any list), and all of those other doubles are really Manchurian Candidate's, from MK-Ultra, just like Oswald's body-doubles.

One Kris Kringle was given a second chance to reverse his decision to assist the C.I.A., at the Grassy Knoll. After training with two teams of assassins with cameras mounted on gun handles, he did not take the shot, and was whisked away permanently to Abu Ghraib.

See Below Picture As Photographic Evidence

Zenit Fotosniper
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Originally, it was thought Kris Kringle was Kristov Kringlovich, since the Zenit Fotosniper device was found on his person when he was snatched. It turned out he was using the device to spy on Marilyn Monroe.

This device was later used as a part of the training program for the J.F.K. hit.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
A THOSE INVOLVED IN THE COVER-UP

A) Yes, it is likely over half the population of the world is involved in this massive cover-up, a few very valid reasons dispute this wholeheartedly

1) Reindeer cannot fly.

2) Reindeer give off exorbitant gas after feeding, Santa would need a gas mask, if A were not true.

3) Carl Mauldin is the only person in existence to be known for a glowing red nose, Rudolph is a myth, similar to honest politician's, Kim Jong Il being alive, and the War on Terror.

4) Parents could easily gain control through blackmail over their own children, IE :

"He knows when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake,..."

...thereby ensuring Skull and Bones, Bilderberg, and the Ruling Elite candidates in training.

This is assisted by the Information Awareness Office.

Information Awareness Office
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5) See above mentioned blackmail.

6) Department stores get a kickback from the Union.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
B. THE OFFICIAL REPORTS

B. Doctored Official Reports -

Warren Commission, 9/11 Commission, Majestic 12/Operation Santa Sack Commission

1) This is really a deep cover operation, afore mentioned blackmail is sent to Finland.

2) N.O.R.A.D. is definitely in on the cover-up. (Where do you think they store the blackmail files?)

3) N.I.S.T. lied about the structural integrity of the Twin Towers, why not practice that ability in the cover-up year round?

4) Majestic 12 was the recruiting committee put together considering bringing Kringle into the fold, years before the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
C. TRADE BALANCE

C. N.A.F.T.A. ensures cheap labor both in Mexico and overseas in sweat shops.

Ask Kathy Lee Gifford, her sweat shops had children in them, A.K.A. "elves", the children who are naughty and will not bend to blackmail.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
D. PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE

D. Doctored Evidence- Aliens, Big Foot, Loch Ness, and yes, Santa, all doctored.

Doctoring Lee Harvey Oswald's photo was easy, so has all of the rest of this "photographic evidence".

Operation Blue Book was a part of the pre-cover-up of trying many different delivery methods beforehand in order to discredit Kris Kringle which led to him being caught by the C.I.A.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
E. MEANS

E. Ways and Means Committee, Congress

1. The stocking cover-up is all a mass conspiracy to sell more socks, stockings, and quiet the the insurrection of children who whine about receiving clothing for Christmas.

They are a silent reminder to be quiet, a symbol of the blackmail, and why all young men hide their porn in their sock drawers, the guilt of being blackmailed is too much.

Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North
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2. Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North tried to assist Kris Kringle in escaping captivity, he was being held in Iran during the Iran/Contra Affair, code-name "Rex-84" was really a Delta Force/S.E.A.L. Team Six Operation (the 1979 Hostage Crisis was the warm-up), called Candy Cane Release.

The arms smuggling/coc aine smuggling was a covert operation for smuggling the dirt after digging from Afghanistan into the near vicinity of Abu Ghraib.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
F. OFFICIAL CONCLUSION

F. Official Denial's - If the Bilderberg Group can pull off letting us think the President actually listens to us, they can as well pull of this type of conspiracy, cover-up, and the massive breaking and entering charges of their cohorts worldwide.

Air America is the real delivery system for all those presents.

Evidence that Air America is still alive and kicking can be found in the book below :

Ghost Plane: The True Story of the CIA Rendition and Torture Program

Amazon Review :

On June 10th, 2002, Attorney General John Ashcroft announced that the US had captured a known terrorist who was exploring a plan to explode a "dirty bomb" on American soil.

That alleged terrorist was José Padilla who was finally charged in 2005 with conspiracy to murder. What Ashcroft didn't talk about was how information against him was obtained – by the relentless torture of one man-- Binyam Mohamed, in the name of the United States.

Arrested at Karachi Airport before Padilla’s arrest on April 10, 2002, Mohamed was put on a luxury executive jet and flown to an interrogation center in Morocco.


For over 18 months, he was subjected to one torture after another: Beating followed beating and, then, his guards produced razor blades and began to split the skin all over his body, including on his genitals.

Since 1997, hundreds of people, many of whom have no ties to terrorist organizations, have been abducted from foreign airports or street corners on suspicions based at times on the flimsiest of evidence courtesy of the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

In Ghost Plane, Stephen Grey tells the true story of the CIA's torture program known by the euphemism "extraordinary rendition" and the airplanes that make the program run.

Begun during the Clinton administration, but taking a decidedly more voracious turn after 9/11, the rendition system has seen the transfer of more than 1000 prisoners into jails stretching from Guantanamo to Syria, from Kabul to Bangkok and beyond.

Grey had access to the thousands of CIA flight records and has interviewed dozens of sources from the most senior levels of the National Security Council to the CIA.

In Ghost Plane, he paints a disturbing picture of the War on Terror that reaches to the highest levels of power in Washington, D.C. and exposes the extreme ethical corruption at the heart of this US government program, a program finally acknowledged by President George Bush in September 2006, undertaken in the name of the citizens of the United States.

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I'm Santa.

And so is my wife.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
C. TRADE BALANCE
- Add up all the imports and exports for every country in the world and the world is a net exporter. As this should be zero, this balance must go somewhere. As it cannot leave the planet, this balance must represent material imported by the Pixie factories at the North Pole where the toys are made and indeed, that balance roughly compares with estimates for that received by kids in their stockings.

Clearly, you are pulling information out of your arse. I took Economics this semester and learned about the Balance of Payments:

1. Current Accounts = exports, imports, net unilateral transfers abroad.
2. Capital Account = outflow, inflow.
3. Official Reserve Account.
4. Statistical Discrepancy (total from above must equal zero).

In other words, any discrepancies unaccounted for to make the Balance of Payments equal zero are put into the Statistical Discrepancy account. Things that usually fall into this account include things that are stolen.


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All I know is every time that Mr.Kringle comes to my house my bank account is missing about $1000.00.

I further extend this conspiracy theory by putting forth that Obama is actually Santa.

Let's look at the facts:

No one can agree where he was born.

He goes by many different names.

He constantly wants to spread the wealth (handing out toys)

He's White

He has a rather shady past that isn't talked about much

His believers will tell you he can fly

Believes in coal

Both began life as ordinary men, but over time people revered them as saints.

Both men's staunchest supporters: retailers, rely on his ability to inspire consumers to spend and make businesses profitable.

Both have numerous corporate sponsors.

etc

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Sadly, I'm starting to agree..


Abductee

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Great Holliday joke! Thx for the laugh

Santa LIVES!! The Media (Daily Mail) says so:

img.dailymail.co.uk...


MERRY X-MAS ALL

Of,course Santa exists why do you think HARRP is in Alaska? the Military have been trying to capture him for his elvish tec for years! they want the toy factory!!! LOl,this is a great thread! S&F for you OP!

..I freakin' love this. This is a great thread....but it proves a few things: some people on this site are complete idiots (those that think this is for real and not humour based), some members do not have a sense of humour and finally you have just debunked a lot of theories using the believers logic.....if you can use it to prove Santa...then anything is possible using the same logic...ie tooth fairy, aliens..etc. REMEMBER PEOPLE IT'S NOT A REAL CONSPIRACY...THE OP IS HAVING FUN.

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Thanks OP for making this thread! Glad to see someone lightening the mood a bit - we can all do with a laugh. Some of the comments here by other posters were also hilarious!

To add to the laughter, I found this clip on youtube a few days back, and thought I'd share:

www.youtube.com...

If this doesn't bust your gut with laughter, nothing will

I KNEW it! LoL!



Thanks for the holiday chuckles!

Originally posted by -midnite-
Threads like this is the reason i stopped coming to this site. Sad to see nothing has changed...

Go cry on some other forums. If you can't appreciate a light-hearted joke then no one wants you here anyway.

This is great OP, these kind of threads are always nice to read

reply to post by UFOabducteebe
Words cannot describe how ridiculous this post is. Well they could, but said words would be a violation of T & C, so let's just leave it at that.




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haha some of us got it...