Norway spiral - Russia accepts blame even though Norway may have been responsible ! !

Norway spiral is not like old china and tomsk spirals - norway spiral have second blue spiral ray, which is coming from groud level.

reply to post by The Soothsayer

What's more plausible, that an ICBM flew off in the wrong direction, to be seen by no one, OR that it was launched from a different location?

What we really need is info on the final fate of the missile and where it came down and/or was destroyed ... but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it !
We just have to be satisfied with the "official statement" that the missile failed during the 3rd stage burn ... and that's all we're going to get

reply to post by tauristercus


All logic would say that the higher an object is the farther it can be seen. The Tsar Bomba was detonated very low and it was still visible at 1000km's away.

reply to post by Chevalerous


You might be actually closer to the truth than any of those ATS "experts".
However, if it's a harmless phenomena, why the cover up or the secrecy?

I also think it is strange that Russia would accept blame for this so as mentioned earlier WHY......... would they do this?????

Wasn't really paying attention but with the President in Copenhagen wasn't it at one point he wasn't going then he changed his mind.

Things don't add up and I believe until we all are satified with what happened we can't let this get swept under the rug like most things do with a little time. The Governments are experts at creating confusion to cover there butts and if this doesn't pass as things usually do quickly I believe something else major will happen somewhere to focus peoples thoughts elsewhere.

From what I observe most Countries are in cohoots with one another on how to control their peoples they are playing games with one another while we are nothing more then their slaves as it has always been in History.

IMO the entire Political system on this Planet needs to be deleted and rebooted but not as a NWO.

I also believe we need to be very aware here in the States of The United Nations and WHO remember how the Magician works.... they make you watch one hand while they ..............with the other.

reply to post by Chevalerous


I was just about to throw the SDI idea out there, good spot. Lets say any of that is true that Haarp and such are able to destroy rockets, act as a missle defense, its not something the Russians will want anybody knowing about, they wouldn't just step out and say 'oh yes NATo has a defense shield that knocked out our missles, were defensless' !! They would probably be v.pissed but at the moment strategically they would not confirm it.

No evidence, no proof just throwing it out there.

reply to post by The Soothsayer


Why would they launch it from the international waters? It wouldn't give them an advantage over White Sea. You can also look up Severodvinsk. I see no reason why they should go far away from there.

Originally posted by tauristercus
Somehow I don't think there's much point in comparing this monster to the exhaust plume of a dinky missile !!

The ISS is dinkyier, yet so many people see it. Now imagine if ISS would spin around it's axis (like a bullet) and eject fuel from it's side. Also add a thruster that'll illuminate the fuel and move the ISS forward while it's still spinning..

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Good job.This is a highly possible theory.
But we will never be quite sure what it was.
We can only speculate.But you
have done some good job and research with your thread.post by tauristercus

reply to post by tauristercus


Hey tauristercus... Amazing work man! I think you really need to check out some info I dug up. It solidifies what you came up with. Message me or something after you get through it. I am going to bed.. Sleepy..
Here it is: TEQUILLAsunrise

Originally posted by DGFenrir
reply to post by The Soothsayer

 

The ISS is dinkyier, yet so many people see it. Now imagine if ISS would spin around it's axis (like a bullet) and eject fuel from it's side. Also add a thruster that'll illuminate the fuel and move the ISS forward while it's still spinning..

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The ISS is also 220 miles above the surface of the Earth... not hard to imagine that a lot more people could see something that high, as opposed to something 20 or 30 miles up. Think before you post.

Perhaps this was seen before in history, 1486 for example.

Same spiral with cone effect coming from it. Click on the image viewer to see the blown up version.

www.artchive.com...

Originally posted by dwiggen

Originally posted by DGFenrir
reply to post by The Soothsayer

 

The ISS is dinkyier, yet so many people see it. Now imagine if ISS would spin around it's axis (like a bullet) and eject fuel from it's side. Also add a thruster that'll illuminate the fuel and move the ISS forward while it's still spinning..

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The ISS is also 220 miles above the surface of the Earth... not hard to imagine that a lot more people could see something that high, as opposed to something 20 or 30 miles up. Think before you post.

Ummm... The missile was twice as high.. In the exosphere.
Think before you post.

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
reply to post by Chevalerous

 

You might be actually closer to the truth than any of those ATS "experts".

However, if it's a harmless phenomena, why the cover up or the secrecy?

Well! there might be some yet "semi secret technology" involved in this experiment, like a Lidar Laser which they can have used to illuminate the phenomena from the ground?

Or..maybe other technologies connected to the Nordic Missile Shield Project? which in this case was disguised as an scientifical experiment from EISCAT and was launched from ESRANGE which is a rocket range and research centre located outside the town of Kiruna in northern Sweden?

I'm keeping an open mind on this! - and since I did my military service as an Arctic Ranger above the Scandinavian arctic circle in these Neighbourhoods, I know that a lot of unexplainable and sometimes secret things is going on up there in the skies at night - and it ain't just auroras!

Some of us in my patrol squad were convinced that we once saw a crazy behaving UFO following us, but it was probably just a very very silent secret helicopter though? or?

reply to post by danman23


Good work and S&F for your thread, just one question for you. Have you established that the spiral occured first than the blue haze, or is it the other way around?

reply to post by Jazzyguy


I would have to look into it more.. but just from the eye witness he says the "green" (he probably means blue) beam came up from the ground and then they started hit it with the bigger spiral.

Yet again I would point the finger at the Globus-2 Radar outside Vardø. It is a key part in the U.S MDS (missile defense system). This and Eiscat is responsible for bringing this rocket down.

Keep in mind that the Bulava-missile is the Russians answer to overcome THAT VERY SAME system.

Maybe it didn't shoot it down directly. Maybe it messed up it's guidance-system. What do I know.

Remember also, there was eyewitness reports of wreckage almost hitting fishermen in the sea west of Tromsø.

Of course the Russians didn't take cred for the visuals in the sky. That would be accepting that they still haven't gotten around global MDS (Star-wars)...

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reply to post by DGFenrir


Then explain why the "missle" WASN'T seen by anyone else other than those in Norway? Because I'm sure if it was seen by others outside of Norway, we'd have pictures and/or video from these other sources.

Also, I'm going off the calculations made by the OP, not by the "official" story.

And furthermore, if the Bulava is a SRBM as is being reported, then it's maximum apogee is only 130 miles, which is most certainly NOT twice the height of the ISS.

And sorry about the "think before you post" comment. It sounded a little more acidic than I intended!

If it was in the exosphere, then the disc it radiated outward would be larger than 500 miles across, and only reported by one Norwegian town. How much fuel would would it take to cover a 500 mile area(or shoot out a 250 mile radius of fuel)? The Tsar Bomba had a 8km fireball, are you saying this failed rocket can spray fuel to create a 600km spiral nearly the size of Texas in the exosphere? If it's high in the air then its massive according to the rough estimates. Or it was from a locaity near norway as supposed in the first post.

reply to post by dwiggen


Bulava is not an SRBM, it's an SLBM. And it's apogee is 1000km.

I also made some calculations.

Edit: I apologise too for that comment.

Normal Moon distance: 390000km
Moon diameter: 3474km
Why not simply divide these numbers by 1000?
That would make Moon's distance: 390km
Moon diameter: 3,474km
Now multiply that by 2 or 3 and you should get the spirals diameter.

Moon's angular value is ~0.5 degrees I brought the Moon closer. I reduced it's distance and diameter by equal %. At this size and distance it's angular value should stay the same to the viewer. Since the spiral is at approximately same distance it should be a good comparison. If you raise the closer Moon's distance to 500km it's diameter should be 4,5km. 500km should be the same distance the spiral was at and Moon's angular valuse is still the same.

It's much simpler. I brought both objects to the same altitude so it's better to compare their sizes.

reply to post by LordBaskettIV

See my calculations.

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my second thought after haarp when i first saw the spiral where you can see the sun rizing on the horizon was that it could be a rainbow kind of effect being projected many miles away that could only be seen in certain locations,just thought i `d share my strange thought