Minuteman III launch from Vandenberg AFB pics

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Russian website source.

en.rian.ru...

Even has a few links to future test launches.

Hmmm... there is my proof, where is yours?

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I see where your going with that, its the way it goes. I saw a UFO once, hell, im pretty sure no one will believe me, but hey, its my claim and i have no proof, but im not obnoxiously trying to jam it down peoples throats or get insulted by it.

(it was an example, not towards you)

No words to describe it sometimes.
(face palm was needed before) hehe

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Sorry thats not proof.

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your lacking in yours, why are you on my case?

the scheduled launches are on that site, and future launches. I gave you the link, why dont you browse it for a few minutes instead of looking at it for a few minutes? you might learn something.

Edit: Another source

The latest test launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile in the White Sea in northern Russia ended in failure, the Defense Ministry said on Thursday. Wednesday's test was Bulava's seventh failure, according to official reports. Russia hopes the submarine-launched missile will be a key element of its nuclear forces. "The first two stages functioned smoothly, but the flight faltered at the third stage. There was a technical failure in the third stage engines rendering them unstable," the ministry said in a statement. The statement came after media reports on a mysterious light in the form of a spiral over Norway's northern areas several hundred kilometers from the launch site on Wednesday. Norwegian media suggested it could be a Russian missile spinning after a faulty launch. Only five out of 12 Bulava launches have been reported successful. The previous failure occurred in July, when the missile self-destructed after its first stage malfunctioned. The latest launch had since been delayed several times.

en.rian.ru...



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Ah...You may consider that "proof".... A news source that supposedly claims to be telling you the truth. Please...In my very rational thinking I would much prefer to do experimentation and my own investigation then relying on something to TELL me what to believe. Case in point here, If the weather man told you it wasn't going to snow tomorrow because their Doppler Radar didn't pick any precipitation up, but you then turned around and turned on YOUR Doppler radar and SAW precipitation...Which would you believe? The weatherman because everyone believes him? Or your own radar system because of what you are first-hand experiencing...THAT is the problem in our society, LIES and ASSUMPTIONS. As long as deception exists in our world, we will always have a distance between us and the real truth.
Just my thoughts on everything,

Videos from the russian tv about that missile.
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...

My fav video
www.youtube.com...

just one more video to for heck of it.
www.youtube.com...

Still believe it was a missile? all missiles leave huge somke not just somke but debris if they do get destroyed.



Sorry i aint buying your little claims anymore no matter how hard you try.


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what else am i going to rely on? meta physics? internal beleif? or cold hard logic?

Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

I see where your going with that, its the way it goes. I saw a UFO once, hell, im pretty sure no one will believe me, but hey, its my claim and i have no proof, but im not obnoxiously trying to jam it down peoples throats or get insulted by it.

(it was an example, not towards you)

No words to describe it sometimes.
(face palm was needed before) hehe

No worries friend, I hardly ever take offense from ANYTHING anyone says anymore. I look at the World like this. One thing that you might see is something that I might describe or see completely differently. There is a lot we will never know, but only through researching for ourselves and only for the "logical" truth may we better understand this world or reality that we live in. ( However I only define logic as something BASED on what we know...AT THAT time...In fact Logic changes every time something new is discovered)

An old quote of Einstein I think summarizes up the points I believe that you UGIE understand that I am trying to convey. "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Oh really how cute a little 3d max simulation showing on what it could have happened

right anyone who knows modeling could have done it better, then this little kitty video.

Still beats your total lack of proof! so far your proof has been: i feel it in my gut that it was HARRP.

just a small point
Harrp isnt onspiracist junk its a real thing that is hidden from us, do you CNN or the norway media will talk about publicly? i dont think so.

Nice spelling! BTW I know what HARRP is and does...maybe if you didn't sound so condescending, people might take what you say seriously, but by offending people and ridiculing them those have done their research and come to a logical acceptable explanation you take away any credibility you had.

btw The vid i posted was made by the (very able) people of badastronomy.com, and it was made by a rocket scientist.

People like that will (imho) always hold more credibility then someone posting on this board screaming :" it's HARRP 100% proven and true".

But hey, please go on making up your own mind, my friend. For me it was a failed rocket test, if it's something different for you, then it's your right to think so. But please loose the attitude.

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in each video you just provided was the missile launch in the first stage.

im looking for you to provide me with your harrp proof. im still waiting, because it seems like your sending me on a wild goose chase.

I have to go to work, ill be back later to see if you can prove it was harrp or not. I am hoping you prove me wrong.

Originally posted by OldDragger
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Just like the other days "UFO lands in Barstow" fiasco, I find it interesting that the majority here ignores real evidence and always goes for the FAKE tabloid like stuff! ATS'ers are constantly saying they are not "sheeple' and are open minded etc, yet they prefer to fall for the dumbest stuff simply because they have been conditioned by movies TV and video games! AMAZING!!

All balderdash...
I have watched all of these threads lately and havn't seen lots of people as you claim believing any of the BS.. What I have seen is people discussing the many possibilities just like you would expect.
Even the Barstow incident did not cause much, it was all fluff and feathers for people to yak about, but I saw no evidence of anyone being actually deceived by ANY of it.... The 100 mile long string of Tanks was amusing also and probably thrown in by some Government spook, who knows? People asked questions and people discussed it, but all I see of this is people CLAIMING that folks are being tricked, but are they? very doubtful.... no one was fooled. What you are trying to say is highly suspect though. When a story surfaces and people start discussing them, the people to really watch for are the ones making claims like yours

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And how many flags and stars did the Barstow OP get?

The mainstream media is reporting the involved "missile" was most likely a Russian Bulava missile. Here is an article dated January 12, 2008 of a successful Bulava missile launch.

rusnavy.com...

Here is the vital information contained in the article:

"The Dmitry Donskoi Typhoon-class strategic nuclear-powered submarine has carried out another test launch of a Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile, a Defense Ministry source said on Friday. The Bulava was launched from a submerged position in the White Sea toward a target located at the Kura test site on the Kamchatka Peninsula," the source said. He later said it had successfully engaged its designated target on the Kamchatka Peninsula about 6,700 kilometers (4,200 miles) east of Moscow."

So, in essence, we have the same missile (Bulava), the same submarine (Dmitry Donskoi) and the same launch location (White Sea) as the alleged spiral incident over Norway. However, we have one major discrepancy between the two launches.

The test missile fired in January of 2008 traveled in an eastward direction, striking its target on Kamchatka Peninsula, 4,200 miles east of Moscow. The Norway Spiral traveled westward, in the complete opposite direction of the January 12, 2008 test.

1) Why would the Russians fire a missile over another country?

2) What was this missile's designated target, since it was heading in a westbound direction?

3) Was this missile designed to travel westbound and then do a u-turn prior to heading eastbound towards its target?

4) If the missile malfunctioned, is it believable to assume that it did a complete u-turn prior to spiraling out of control?

5) Why is there no mention of a guidance system failure for the missile?

Computer animated simulations are nice and all, but quite frankly, I prefer answers to basic investigative questions when two similar events produce quite an opposite result. But, since you have a mainstream media which writes anything they pull out of their rear end, you will never get any answers to these basic questions.



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Well, glad you are entertained by my posts.
Gee, I guess I can't fool a "smart person" like you so I won't even try, how's that?
Best wishes!

By the way the WISE space telescope was launched today at Vandenberg by a Delta2 rocket. While I missed the actual burn, the contrail was clearly visible untill the sun rose.
For live mission status, go here:Mission Status

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The missile went in the right way. Open Google Earth, choose the ruler tool then mark one spot in the White sea and another at the Kura Test range. That would be the approximate trajectory.

And I'll say it one more time. The spiral was not over Norway. It was seen slightly above the horizon.

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Originally posted by ElijahWan

Originally posted by seethelight
For all those that choose to HAARP on about knowing what happened in Norway, please explain PRECISELY how HAARP created that spiral and the cloudy fingery bit...

Explain it.

It's not enough to claim what it's NOT, especially for geniuses of your calibre.

Tell us all how HAARP did what we saw.

In detail.

You know I probably wouldn't have a problem doing that if I had scientific and truthful evidence about HAARP.

I challenge you to go do your research on HAARP and more then likely you'll find there is very little that we know about it.

We know what THEY tell us yes, but ask yourself...Is that the truth?

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The bottom line here is that we have no way of proving or disproving a majority of the things that we consider "Conspiracy".

But think about the concept of "conspiracy".... Is that not the purpose of it?



A group of people get together and are able to disprove things simply by A) Making evidence "disappear" , B) Uniting and bringing in their own "specialist" ((Actors?)) that will ALWAYS have a view that challenges even the brightest minds of our day.



There is NO way that you can possibly look at this forum and ALL the "conspiracy theories" or "possibilities" and rule out that some unknown force is acting in contrast to the betterment of Manking.

In all honesty the likelihood of EVERYTHING that seems odd to us...all happening without enough TRUTHFUL and real data for us to investigate is of insurmountable odd.

In other words...What are the odds that everything found on this forum (the events themselves) have all occurred without enough evidence for us to 100% KNOW that one of those events happened a certain way.

As someone who looks at the bigger picture and tries to connect ALL of these conspiracy theories to one another I find my mind and heart lead me to believe something that might contradict most "norm" views.

It is much more possible that their is some acting force ((Shadow Govt? who knows)) that is being deceitful to us and keeping us from the REAL data...then their is that ALL of these things have occurred in the precise and awe striking way with almost 0% factual data to back it up.

In conclusion, I find the statistics of all this happening (someone should really study the probability that EVERYTHING happened the way it did) to lead MORE towards something SECRET going on...rather then ALL of it happening with very little data and proof behind it.

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So this is what you believe?

That seems completely, well, unbelievable.

So many people just seem to stitch together a ad hoc collection of popular conspiracy theories and then force anything vaguely weird that occurs in the world into this pre-existing narrative.

You say that the more non-"norm" things that happen point toward their being a conspiracy and on the face of it that seems reasonable, but it's not really and here's why:

Mundane secrets are JUST as secret as scary HAARP secrets. Nothing about this screams HAARP specifically.

No one can tell me why they're claiming HAARP, but many people are saying that's what they believe, which is confounding.

In addition, you ask me to research something you then say is unresearchable..

If I can't research it then none of you HAARPERs can either... and as we can't really learn anything that proves, or even suggests, that this is related to a project which we're all in the dark about it seems completely unreasonable to pinpoint this as the source.

Now, I do indeed think there's something odd about that spiral, but I'm not about to claim it's HAARP or anything... cause I don't actually know.

And neither does anyone else.

The images you provided, as well as all others I have seen put forth as evidence, looks like it was drawn by a blindfolded Michal J. Fox using his left hand and a can of spray paint on a windy day.

By comparison, the Norway spiral looks like a Mathematica printout.

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All of the Norway pics ( except for the "spiral") look exactly like a missle launch. The spiral looks different because it's a time exposure. Compare it to an open shutter with a penlight swinging from a string, like a pendulum.
The time exposre will produce an image much different than what the eye sees.

Originally posted by Deny Arrogance
The images you provided, as well as all others I have seen put forth as evidence, looks like it was drawn by a blindfolded Michal J. Fox using his left hand and a can of spray paint on a windy day.

By comparison, the Norway spiral looks like a Mathematica printout.

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Exactly. That is why this issue is still unresolved. (The Norway issue i mean).

Thanks for the pics of the MM3 launch, its spectacular. However, did anyone notice how the exhaust from the MM3 is a totally different color than that in the Norway anomaly?

This question is rhetorical, no need to reply to me lol.