Minuteman III launch from Vandenberg AFB pics

Here's just a sampling of what a missle launch can look like, in reference to the Norway thing. No, it doesn't look exactly like it, but this missle didn't explode either. i've seen numerous launches, no two are alike, probably because atmosperic conditions change constantly.

Missle Launchwww.freqofnature.com...

I've also seen Barium releases as well as cruise missles and regular aircraft. Note that ICBM launch effects usually last for hours and mutate shape. i'm about 150 miles from the launch sites, yet you can see them plain as can be from even farther distances.
HMMMMMMMMMM.......!

reply to post by OldDragger


Since I grew up in LA, I've seen plenty of launches from Vandenberg too.

Unfortunately for 'denying ignorance', many many people haven't had the pleasure of witnessing firsthand missile launches, and being able to discern what is normal from wht appears to be "otherwordly"....

Of course, the most dramatic photos occur when taken against the backdrop of a Sunset or Sunrise. AND when upper atmosphere conditions are just right to disrupt the contrail in ways seen.

reply to post by OldDragger


The Russians use the Barents Sea the sea just north of Norway to conduct their tests.. This is well known, and has been for years.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH, NOT SOME BS SCI FI STORY, just Google "Russian sea test ICBM tests". You will see them scheduled far in advance, well publicized. Why? Best not to go flinging ICBM's without telling us, Peasky nuclear war and all that.
TRUTH ANYONE? DENY IGNORANCE ANYONE?

reply to post by weedwhacker


Just like the other days "UFO lands in Barstow" fiasco, I find it interesting that the majority here ignores real evidence and always goes for the FAKE tabloid like stuff! ATS'ers are constantly saying they are not "sheeple' and are open minded etc, yet they prefer to fall for the dumbest stuff simply because they have been conditioned by movies TV and video games! AMAZING!!

There's more "Sheeple" here than in most political groups I've been involved with.

I mean really.

How many posts start out like this on ATS:

"I know this guy/organization is 99% untrustworthy, but....."


Talk about your sheeple...

reply to post by OldDragger


My my you debunkers never give up do you?
and you use google as source

You really crack me up.


That event in norway was a HARRP test.


The rest of us smart people on ATS dont believe it was a missile test nor an a ICBM test. The ICBM cant create what we have seen in norway, nice try.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

For all those that choose to HAARP on about knowing what happened in Norway, please explain PRECISELY how HAARP created that spiral and the cloudy fingery bit...

Explain it.

It's not enough to claim what it's NOT, especially for geniuses of your calibre.

Tell us all how HAARP did what we saw.

In detail.

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reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Yeah, I've noticed how the smart people think that something you see on the horizon is in your country's airspace because you can't see over the borders.
You are just a troll who goes around ranting about his fantasy without discussing it and offering any logical explanations.
Ignorant troll you are.

As much as I usually try to sit on the debunking side I must say I am stumped here

I am an ex-2W2 (Nuclear Weapons Specialist)

I worked for 6 years in Minot on the MMIII system. I have seen launches in person, on video and on graphic...I haven't seen something like thta...well ever honestly

The spiral part is what intrigues me...but then again just because I have worked on them doesn't make me the end-all-be-all expert on potential weapons malfuntcion or Russian issiles for that matter

This is wild...I hope to find some honest answer on this one

So for me...jury is still out

As of right now I am not buying any of it...missiles...HAARP...nothing at the moment

I am also interested in precisely what HAARP supposedly did

-Kyo

[edit on 14-12-2009 by KyoZero]

Thank you KyoZero for your better inpoint then those 2 who have no clue in the real world.


So i am a troll eh? fine your my foe from now on.


you know ugie1028 you sound a bit childish posting images like those while trying to make a point.

you remind me of those posters on a video game forum a thread tiled image wars either you grow up and learn, or stay out of it.



[edit on 14-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

reply to post by KyoZero


But could a leaking fuel cause a spiral in space? I don't know a law that would make it impossible.

Originally posted by seethelight
For all those that choose to HAARP on about knowing what happened in Norway, please explain PRECISELY how HAARP created that spiral and the cloudy fingery bit...

Explain it.

It's not enough to claim what it's NOT, especially for geniuses of your calibre.

Tell us all how HAARP did what we saw.

In detail.

You know I probably wouldn't have a problem doing that if I had scientific and truthful evidence about HAARP. I challenge you to go do your research on HAARP and more then likely you'll find there is very little that we know about it. We know what THEY tell us yes, but ask yourself...Is that the truth?

The bottom line here is that we have no way of proving or disproving a majority of the things that we consider "Conspiracy". But think about the concept of "conspiracy".... Is that not the purpose of it? A group of people get together and are able to disprove things simply by A) Making evidence "disappear" , B) Uniting and bringing in their own "specialist" ((Actors?)) that will ALWAYS have a view that challenges even the brightest minds of our day. There is NO way that you can possibly look at this forum and ALL the "conspiracy theories" or "possibilities" and rule out that some unknown force is acting in contrast to the betterment of Manking. In all honesty the likelihood of EVERYTHING that seems odd to us...all happening without enough TRUTHFUL and real data for us to investigate is of insurmountable odd. In other words...What are the odds that everything found on this forum (the events themselves) have all occurred without enough evidence for us to 100% KNOW that one of those events happened a certain way.
As someone who looks at the bigger picture and tries to connect ALL of these conspiracy theories to one another I find my mind and heart lead me to believe something that might contradict most "norm" views. It is much more possible that their is some acting force ((Shadow Govt? who knows)) that is being deceitful to us and keeping us from the REAL data...then their is that ALL of these things have occurred in the precise and awe striking way with almost 0% factual data to back it up. In conclusion, I find the statistics of all this happening (someone should really study the probability that EVERYTHING happened the way it did) to lead MORE towards something SECRET going on...rather then ALL of it happening with very little data and proof behind it.

[edit on 12/14/09 by ElijahWan]

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


You missed the point.

there is nooo way you can prove it was harrp, no matter how hard you try....

Face palm may be needed again...

but ill let it slide this time.

reply to post by ElijahWan


Everything's ruled out until proof is provided. That's how it should work. You can theorise all you want but it's silly to do it without providing logical explanations. A logical and plausible explanation is what distinguishes a conspiracy theory from a fantasy.

reply to post by ugie1028

I will still stand by my claim it was HARRP AND it was, i guess you love when your little govemrent tells you nothing but lies not just the gov but the media.


And you as a skeptic are quick jump into the media wagon and agree it was a missile test from the russians which have a lunched from a sub?


Can you give me proof of a russian sub during the of the event eh?

Remember the russian didnt say it was lunched, nor didnt they say they had planned for that. You know who stated that?
the norway media and the military of norway, they claimed it was the russians.




Sorry but i disagree with you skeptics.

You skeptics never think outside the box, but always in the box, like a little mouse looking and wondering where is the chess smell is coming from.
thats how you are no offence.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by OldDragger

 

My my you debunkers never give up do you?
and you use google as source

You really crack me up.


That event in norway was a HARRP test.


The rest of us smart people on ATS dont believe it was a missile test nor an a ICBM test. The ICBM cant create what we have seen in norway, nice try.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]

Rational thinking people crack you up?

Yeah all of us who think that it was a failed rocket test are dumb!...

Watch this this video
It's a simulation in 3ds max which clearly explains everything you saw in Norway, and for me is the video that made me get of the fence: it was a failed rocket test.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


come on think, you have any proof? anything at all?

if not, its just speculation. from the images of missile tests, and the image in Norway it looks a little similar, so the most plausible answer is a failed missile test, until proven otherwise.

Again, i ask you to provide me with proof that it was HARRP, or w/e way you spell it. Unless you do, please dont insult my intelligence, by providing an idea with no proof to support it.

[edit on 12/14/2009 by ugie1028]

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I agree with you on this one UGIE. There is no way to prove or disprove what it is or isn't. Do you know why that is the case though? Why can't we prove it? It is because our countries intelligence agencies won't work with us in investigating these kinds of things? Is it possible that we will NEVER be able to prove something that would blow your mind, actually happened without the assistance from the MOST ORGANIZED BODY in the world.... I honestly don't know...But there is only one way to continue.
Clearly they won't work WITH us in proving or disproving these things, so we must conduct our own investigation and knowledge gathering "away from the spotlight". The only way this is possible is through communication with as many people who "see" or witness (first-hand) these things that lead to conspiracy theories. An independent base of knowledge that can be built upon by everyone everywhere. That is why the Internet is so great. We can share information and knowledge with each other, all the way across the world, in a fraction of a second. That is AMAZING....but it must be used properly.
There more then likely will never be a way to prove stuff like this happened the way they do without ALL the info. So why does our Govt choose to not tell us? Choose to lie to us...choose to keep us all from the information we so desperately seek. Is it a label that allows them to prevent us from learning? Yes, in fact, there is...SECRETS.
There is no better way to keep people un-knowledgeable about a specific subject base then by LIEING, Tarnishing images of people, and threatening and bringing fear into the lives of those who have perhaps, first hand experience. What a perfect world we live in....We are kept in the dark for ONE reason.......So that when something occurs first hand to us and we KNOW what we experienced..."THEY" can simply keep our attention elsewhere and lie and disprove us so that no one listen.
I ask everyone this now....If a UFO came down in-front of you and landed and you communicated in some way with these beings and that told you something that blew your mind....Do you think others would listen? No, of course not....Because we are "programmed" by our society to doubt things that we can't "see" or "hear". Does that mean it doesn't exist? NO.


[edit on 12/14/09 by ElijahWan]

reply to post by XyZeR


Oh really how cute a little 3d max simulation showing on what it could have happened right anyone who knows modeling could have done it better, then this little kitty video.

Noticed how hi was quick to disable the comments section and the reason for that was.

Comments closed to avoid people posting misinformation and conspiracist junk



just a small point
Harrp isnt onspiracist junk its a real thing that is hidden from us, do you CNN or the norway media will talk about publicly? i dont think so.



Another small point.
Has NORAD picked this missile lunch from norway if it was a missile?

i guess they haven't.


[edit on 14-12-2009 by Agent_USA_Supporter]