What do you think the Holy Grail really is?

I was watching a show on the history channel called "Investigating History" it was about the Holy Grail. People belive that the Holy Grail was the cup Jesus drank out of on the last supper and that it contained blood from his crusifiction, and has some kind of powers. Another man, a British archeologist belives it's not a cup but a blood line between Jesus and Mary Magdalene. He believes that Jesus maried Mary Magdelene and had children, and that's what the Holy Grail is. He believes so because Jesus and Mary Magdalene were very close. What do you think the Holy Grail is? Is it a cup with mystecal powers or is it a blood line between Jesus, and Mary Magdalene?

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by AD5673]

I just watched the show as well.
I think the Holy Grail is two things, one figurative & one literal:
1) Figurative, the bloodline of David, continued by Jesus & Mary M.--made very special by an "alien" component that makes the DNA "mutant" in nature, the possessors of which have latent or actualized "miraculous abilities", ranging from the subtle to the Jesus-sized.
2) Literal: One or perhaps two alien artifacts of great power.

the bloodline of David, continued by Jesus & Mary M.--made very special by an "alien" component that makes the DNA "mutant" in nature, the possessors of which have latent or actualized "miraculous abilities", ranging from the subtle to the Jesus-sized.

So is this your explanation for Jesus's powers, and/or miracles?

You can always read the Da Vinci Code to learn more about the Mary grail thing. That is, unless you have - good book

Anyways... I don't take the Bible - any of it - literaly. So, to me, it doesn't matter. However, i do believe a man named Jesus exsited... to much evidence not to i guess. All in all i just believe it was a story to teach a moral.

I believe Jesus & the angels are of an extraterrestrial origin, "from the heavens" literally, but not so very simple as the conception of aliens in popular culture. I believe that the answer lies somewhere between the religious and the scientific--and the answer might be more than we can comprehend. But yes, I believe that Jesus had both a mutant DNA and a direct connection with God, being a human manifestation of God. The line of David carries this mutant trait--but Jesus took it to the ultimate level because of his direct connection with God. This mutant DNA is capable of performing "miracles"--this is the "human"/material aspect. But what is key is the individual's spiritual aspect--this will determine if the powers will be used for good or evil, and how intense the power will be.

And I had a dream in which Jesus told me that the line of David contained "alien" DNA.

I think Jesus was infact the son of God though...

The holy grail was part of a fabricated story that has manipulated the minds of the many to keep order. Their are no miracles just what you believe to be miracles. If I went back in time with a lighter..yes a regular old lighter then They would believe I could perform miracles because I made fire right in my hands. Times have changed and we use our heads more and don't believe everything that were told. Just my thoughts and are not meant to dicourage you from what you believe but you asked and I gave you my opinion. I'm entitled to that.

I See You: I know for a fact that "miracles" (or more properly, events inexplicable by our current understanding of reality) do happen. I do agree with the idea that what we consider miracles might be explained by a highly highly advanced (or so dead simple we hardly realize it) scientific application. But things beyond our (most people's) concept of reality do occur--though it is hard to convince someone of that who has not experienced them.

AD: I believe that Jesus was the son of God (as well as being at the same time the manifestation of God) as well. The idea that God sent a human part of Himself to experience the maximum amount of suffering on Earth as a way of acknowledging the maximum amount of suffering human beings experienced of Earth makes more than total sense to me. Jesus is the answer to the eternal human complaint of: how could God be good when there is so much suffering in the world, doesn't He care? The answer is: He understands & performed the ultimate act of empathy so that we would not lose hope and retreat into barbarism. As for the "alien DNA" -- I consider it more of a celestial "hardware" that we cannot comprehend as of yet.

Well Cassie I understand now that your saying alien as of foreign? Wich is what alien means...

[Edited on 24-5-2004 by AD5673]

Yes, I'm saying that I believe the crucial threads of DNA from the line of David are of foreign origin..."foreign" might be celestial, it might be extraterrestrial. The "man" part of Jesus is Earthly, the "God" part is not from around here (whatever that might really mean).

The Holy Grail is salvation. Thats why you will never find "it". Its in your heart and you must seek it and ask for Salvation. Thats why people die for it.

The Holy Grail was a myth generated about sort of a riddle about what possess mankind to be driven to such great lengths, even in desperation. And yet they can never have "it" for the Holy Grail must be seeked by, but never gained. Only in death will the Grail reveal itself.

So through the ages man has sought the Grail like it was some sort of physical trophey to be stored away in some closet. When the Grail is as elusive as vaporware, a tangible, plausible "it", yet something that does not exist within the physical world.

I like the idea of the Holy Grail being just like in the movie 'Indiana Jones & the last crusade' .....so I pick THAT version of the holy grail for now.

I bet I change my mind tomarow though. I am like that.

I really like Cassie's line of thinking ALOT though.......

The Holy Grail was an ancient Judaic jock strap used by young Rabbi's in training. They would strap on their grails and have at each others "parts" in rememberance of Gods harsh love.

I believe that the 'Holy Grail' is something that has been hidden for centuries from the general population. My first guess that it is indeed a bloodline between Jesus and Mary, i mean, Jesus experienced everything man went thru right, so why not sex? God created it so it can't be that dirty.
Secondly, I also believe we were genetically altered, thus, slowing having been given a conscience. In the Garden of Eden, it says Adam and Eve had no conscience no right or wrong. It's very likely that due to altered DNA it awakened us. There is another belief i have and that is some or possibly all of us aren't from Earth, but have chosen to live inside our earthy bodies for the experience. Ever felt like you didn't belong here? I've felt that way my entire life, as though im a spectator in a strange land waiting to go home.

Originally posted by Sapphire
it is indeed a bloodline between Jesus and Mary

thats what the girl from Dogma is...the continuing bloodline...

Originally posted by BasementAddix

Originally posted by Sapphire
it is indeed a bloodline between Jesus and Mary

thats what the girl from Dogma is...the continuing bloodline...

.........the girl from Dogma was an actor.

i think the meaning of the HOLY GRAIL is maybe jesus launch a MISSION.
that only his companion know what about it.what the real thing i want to know is where is jesus 2 SWORD when he being arrested in the garden???
p/s maybe some legion army keep it in the vatican city

Personally, I think the bloodline theory is crazy. That it happened is, at best, debatable. But even if it did, does that make it "The Grail"?

Even the old tales of the Grail being a Chalis are off the mark. I was recently looking at Leonardo De Vinci's painting of The Last Supper. Guess what? There are NO WINE CHALISES on the table AT ALL. Wierd, eh?

Frankly, I think the Grail is the plate used to serve the Pascal Lamb at the last supper. That would be the plate setting in front of Jesus in the painting.

It also makes sense that this plate ends up at the Crucifixion. Afterall, Mary and Joseph were Jewish, and Jewish Law REQUIRES its members to eat a Passover meal before sundown, when Passover officially starts. I doubt that Mary and Joseph would leave Jesus hanging on a Crucifix while they ran back into town to chow down.

I'm guessing that the SAME CATERER brought Mary and Joseph out their meal. (not so farfetched, concidering how UNpopular it was to serve the apostles) It also makes sense, that if Joseph of Arimathaea made it through FORTY YEARS in prison, it's because the Grail was authentic and given to him by his neice, THE VIRGIN MARY!

That the Grail ended up in Europe isn't so farfetched either. Even the Jews admit to the existance of Joseph of Arimathaea, that he was rich, and that he owed his wealth to the import of Tin (which is valuble in the making of Bronze.) from mines in Southern Gaul.

He traveled often in the course of business, throughout the Roman territories which included Gaul and Britany. Joseph probably considered it the "Job of a lifetime" when St. Philip dispatched him to England to convert the locals to Christianity. No doubt the Grail traveled with him. Hey, it's a "family thing". That Mary M. ended up in France doesn't surprise me at all.

To that end, I'll give the "Holy Blood-Holy Grail" author and fans their due.

If I were to go off looking for the Holy Grail today, I'd concentrate on the Abbey at Glastonbury. (founded by Joseph) or the Rennes du Chateu in France. (Where Mary ended up)

[edit on 28-11-2004 by Toelint]

If Jesus was a true decendant of David, that bloodline would have to be carried down by MARY...in addition to Joseph. You might call this blasphemous, but I'm gioing to say that odds are, Mary and Jesus were distant cousins.

Afterall, Jesus's REAL DAD was God...right??



[edit on 28-11-2004 by Toelint]

There is vast amounts of information confirming the bloodline is the basis of Grail lore, the confusion stems from the mistranslation of the latin Sangreal - meaning the blood royal, into san greal - meaning a cup, which incidentally has never been found.

The grail is more than just the bloodline of Jesus and Mary, it also includes Jesus other family members, importantly Josephus of Arimathea. These forebears are known as the Desposyni, and more battles have been fought in Europe over claiming this divine inheritence, than everything else put together.

In fact the entire history of Western Europe makes absolutely no sense whatsoever without understanding that most European royalty trace their ancestory back to the Desposyni...

Today many thousands of people can trace their family history back to the family of Jesus Christ. The Genealogical histories are still maintained today in France by an ancient organisation called the Priory Notre Dame de Sion.

Several definative works have been produced on the subject noatably "Bloodline of the Holy Grail" by Laurence Gardiner and "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln.




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