UFO Pyramid Over Kremlin in Moskow?

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


So by your reckoning, unless there is 100% proof that any posted subject matter is in fact a genuine alien space craft, it shouldn't be posted here?.......on this conspiracy website?


I believe this a UFO, I'm not saying it's an alien space craft, I'm saying it's unidentified, nobody has of yet come up with a 100% definite explanation for what it is, and I don't believe that it constitutes BS because it is posted here......your post however............well that's a different kettle of fish.

oh no the goa'uld are back to enslave us all .. call the asgard.

reply to post by intothelight


That to me looks like a floating tent, few musical festivals have the same thing depending on the weather

www.youtube.com...

That looks funny, like pyramid ship from stargate

SO, the Norway spiral has been successfully put to rest.

Have we gotten a decent explanation on this, yet?

Still only see the twp viewpoints - the more famous one, during the evening and a few seconds durng the day.

- Why were more reports not coming in to the Russian Media?
- I thought it was illegal for anything to fly over the Kremlin(?)
- Why aren't there more videos from good citizens recording the object (like the Spiral rocket launch)?

How about someone who speaks Russian scan the Russian websites for information.. or call up their uncle in Moscow an simply ask..

It it is a real thing balloon whatever then someone in Russia will know about it.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


When did this get put to rest ??? As far as I know there is still no proof that it was or wasn't a Russian Missle failing during launch....

And as for this I guess we can't really make a judgement based on the fact that no-one else saw this like you think they would of.... Its a major tourist attraction so surely someone else should of captured this on a video or some kind of camera....

This is impressive, but I think that it's probably a hoax. If it wasn't, we'd probably be seeing a lot more videos surfacing, especially since it supposedly happened in Moscow. It looks like it was edited in, to be honest.

Conclusion: fake

Yeah cultural differences aside, there's no way something like this could be suppressed. There'd be footage all over the internet by now if it were real. If it's CGI it's very well made which is why I'm leaning toward something innocuous like a balloon. And the daytime footage is probably fake.

[edit on 11-12-2009 by mrkurns]

In the video, the pyramid is behind the electrical wire, but as the camera angle changes, the pyramid briefly appears on top of the wire, closer to the guys, but without the proper perspective change. In other words, it is just a reflection they put up on their windshield. The reflection trick has been used a lot, lately, in videos coming from Russia.

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
Humans are ready now oops I mean RIPE finally the FRUITS are ready for HARVESTING.

I think if we were meant for dinner they'd have got us before we started eating artificial processed foods. Wouldn't they prefer milk fed and natural, with no chemical additives? We are bitter and unsavory now.

reply to post by smyleegrl


For those who understand that humor or skits can be used as a powerful way of sharing truth, I took a moment to write this little skit to show how a calm Russian response to this floating object could very well go...

DEMETRI: Comrade, look at that strange thing floating over the Kremlin.

SERGEI: Hmmm, very odd. Give me your camera and let's drive around a bit so I can take a clip.

DEMETRI: Okay, but only a short one... Helga is making my favorite roast tonight!

SERGEI: What do you think it is? It looks like a floating pyramid.

DEMETRI: I have no idea... perhaps a new government listening device... or maybe the President just likes pyramid power!

They both laugh.

SERGEI: It's so strange how it floats there, turning so slowly. Do you think it could be a UFO?

DEMETRI: Well, I know one thing... if aliens decided to visit the earth, they are very smart to choose our government over the Americans!

They both laugh again.

SERGEI: What if they are meeting in there now with beings from another planet?

DEMETRI: As long as the President doesn't give away all our resources for nothing, that's all I care about! Okay, have you had enough?

SERGEI: Yeah, sure... let's go so you aren't late for that roast!

DEMETRI: Why don't you come over too... Helga won't mind... there's more than enough meat and Vodka!

SERGEI: Comrade... you read my mind!

Camera off.


What would be great is if we could get someone who speaks Russian who could translate what those guys were saying in the car...


[edit on 12-12-2009 by downisreallyup]

reply to post by downisreallyup


Eh...
What is the point of making fun of people that don´t have the same UFO priority as you?

Don´t you people get it? The majority of the world have other things to do than taping things as you will, or like it to be...

Sick of all this "If it is real, then, why don´t they do like this (insert favorite expression here)"

What we need to do right now is concentrate in finding more footage or maybe some who witness the hole thing, maybe we need to find out what's wrong with the webcams that are supposed to be taping the Kremling.

One last thing, this is ATS, not BTS or other forum where funny people are welcome in the matter of debunking or getting a grip about the UFOs people are taping around the world.

If you want to make fun of people that don´t react like you then you are on the wrong side of the net.

This thread don´t need to be 13 pages right now, I could be less than 5 if you all read the thread and get it once and for all.

I don´t think it is a reflection, no balloon, it is like suggesting a balloon could fly over the white house at night, not very likely.

There are two tapes about this thing right now, one when it is dark and the other in daylight, that rules out the reflection theory.

So, what do we have left?
Nightshoot.
Dayshoot.
Webcams not pointing at the kremling as it should be.
No witnesses at this point.

Some member mentioned something about snow, there should be snow in Moscow right now, he said, but we se none in the video, so, maybe it is not new footage, or maybe it is CGI.

Please, lets move on, it is so annoying reading the same stuff over and over again just because you are to lazy.

I have taken the time to analyze this video frame by frame, accounting for all anomalies mentioned:

The car is driving towards the left, the driver is in the left seat, the man using the camera is in the right seat, shooting out the left window in front of the driver's face.

As they drive along, the object is clearly behind the power line. The first apparent anomaly occurs at:

Time 00:11 - the object appears to jump in front of the wire. At this point, the car has hit a bump as evidenced from the jostle in the background that is from the camera bouncing with the car. When blowing the picture up and watching this point carefully, it is clear that the wire is quite distorted from the video compression (which is common with thin video portions), and at the precise location where the wire appears to jump behind the object, the wire is actually distorting downwards, blending in with the black background.

Time 00:12 - the driver begins to make what appears to be a U turn, so the camera operator aims the camera out the front windshield, since the car is now heading towards the Kremlin building.

Time 00:14 - the camera operator zooms out. The object's change in size and position are exactly consistent with the surrounding objects, indicating either a true recording, or a very good fake.

Time 00:15 - because the car is still turning, the camera operator continues to keep the object in the view finder, but because the windshield is quite dirty outside the windshield-wiper sweep area, the object disappears as it goes behind the grime on the windshield. By comparing the luminescence of the object to a similarly bright object (the top portion of the tower in the bottom-middle of the image), this is valid, since both the object and the top of the tower disappear behind the dirty windshield area. During this same second, the car continues to make the U-turn, and the camera operator points the camera out his own side window, which is obviously tinted, since the light levels coming through that glass is much less than what was coming from the front windshield or the driver's side window. This means either the driver's window is not tinted, and indeed it is not as dirt on the window can be seen in later portions of the video. Perhaps tinting the driver's window is not permitted for safety reasons.

Time 00:16 - before they go under the bridge there is a brief moment where the object seems to disappear. A possible explanation for this is that a very hard-to-see tree (pure black in the image) moves across the field of view, in front of the spot where the object should be in the sky. Since this is the first time we would see the object through the side window, it is hard to say for sure where the object should be. Plus, because the side window is tinted, it has reduced the light levels passing through the glass. Given the tinted glass and tree, this does not appear to be a flaw in the video. Only by simulating the actual car trajectory and speed in relation to the floating object, could we be sure of where the object should be, and only then could we determine if the tree explains the obscured object. What IS apparent from this portion is that the driver has both hands on the wheel, and the camera is a nice video camera, since it's large lens can be seen in the glass reflection.

Time 00:23 - after going under the bridge, they emerge into a well lit area, and the object is there, behind the lights in the foreground. The reflection of the camera is also quite clear.

Time 00:26 - the object is clearly behind the light poles protruding out from the building. Throughout the entire preceding 3 seconds, the object maintained correct lighting, angle, and relationship with all the other parts of the image, and is QUITE clearly not something inside the car.

Time 00:31 - after going under another bridge, they continued to drive straight, while the camera operator moved the camera to look out the front windshield again. At this point, he turned the camera off while the driver drove the car back towards the Kremlin for another pass.

Time 00:36 - heading back for another pass by the Kremlin, the camera operator is shooting out the front windshield. The object first becomes visible as a very small blob floating in the air.

Time 00:37 - the camera operator zooms in to maximum, introducing digital zoom artifacts. These same artifacts appear in all the objects of the image, including the floating object and the buildings. This indicates that the object pixelation is consistent with the entire image. These artifacts are primarily caused by the low-light conditions. Under low-light conditions the CCDs used in home cams can't pull in enough light, so software is used to boost the values, which in turn reduces the number of possible color shades. So on something like a windshield, where there is reflecting light, and lots of gradient shades, you get that blotching effect.

1:14 - As the car passes by the object, there is a light pole shining it's bright light, with a blooming effect towards the left side of the object. As the car continues past, the light from the light pole moves past where the object is. Now, if you know how the video camera works, you will see that the bright light shining in front of and towards the left side of the object will cause the low-light software in the camera to try and turn down the brightness in that area, thereby causing the left side of the floating object to go black. Plus, the object is rotating on 2 or 3 axis, causing the light to hit different surfaces.

1:17 - as soon as the bright light leaves the frame of the image, the left side of the floating object shows up again briefly before it gets obscured by the driver's sun visor.

1:23 - as they pass by the Kremlin, the camera operator moves the camera down and practically in front of the driver in order to get one final shot of the object, which does appear at the top of the side window. No increasing of light is needed to see the object.

After making this careful analysis of this video, I can state with almost certainty that the object was indeed filmed live. If a fake were to be made, it would have been MUCH simpler to do it from a fixed position. The fact that they were driving gives credence to its authenticity, since the effort to create this would be much more difficult.

reply to post by atrofi


Hey man, for one, I didn't make fun of anyone. That little script was simply to show how Russians act and think, or at least how they CAN think. People keep saying that the video is fake because of how the people reacted. Well, that is just plain bull-pucky. My family is Russian, and I've known quite a few Russians, and that is exactly how many of them are. They do not react to things like Americans do. You obviously do not understand how humor or skits can be very powerful at conveying truth. You really should broaden your horizons man.

And in the interest of ending all this superficial commenting, look above this post and you will see that I took the time to make a thorough analysis of the video, which is one of my expertise-areas... I own a $18,000 video camera, and professional editing suite, so I'm not some amateur.

I agree that we need to get more verification, but I spent the whole day when this first came out trying to get a live webcam shot of the Kremlin, and I could not. I even tried using the one that was posted here, and somebody kept turning the camera as I was aiming it at the city. I tried for over 2 hours, and each time I would get it aimed at the city, somebody would override my movements and point it down at the ground.

reply to post by atrofi


And as far as snow, there is snow in the video, at time 00:31, on the right side of the road. When I looked at the webcam on the day this event supposedly happened, there was a light snow on the grass, but the roads were pretty well clear. And since this video is pretty much looking up and not down, it is hard to see if there is snow. But, if you look carefully, you can see a couple patches of snow on the side of the road at the time I mentioned.

[edit on 12-12-2009 by downisreallyup]

I saw those video clips on RT ( Russia Today ) tv. Was abit surprised to see such videos on such channel. Putting some questions aside, It appears three dimensional and real. Russia is such a mysterious place indeed.

Originally posted by downisreallyup
reply to post by atrofi

 

And in the interest of ending all this superficial commenting, look above this post and you will see that I took the time to make a thorough analysis of the video, which is one of my expertise-areas... I own a $18,000 video camera, and professional editing suite, so I'm not some amateur.

Nice, you got my star!
Thank you for the step by step thing, i think it is very usefull right now.

I never said anything about amateur, i read your stuff and you don´t sound like an amateur!

keep up the good work!

reply to post by atrofi


Cool Sorry if you misunderstood my intentions in writing that little script. I guess I was just a little annoyed at how people project their typical American response-mechanism into other people from other parts of the world. For example, we Kiwis are very quiet and reserved compared to you guys, except when we go to Rugby games

I would certainly like to get to the bottom of this pyramid thing, and it's not as "cut and dry" as many here on ATS would like to believe. There are possible answers to all their knee-jerk reactions, and that means it deserves to have a little more thorough investigation. I watched the videos by Dr. Green, and was impressed by his vetting methods, and particularly the way he focuses on A1 A2, B1, B2 sources, as a starting point.

One of the things that I fight off most, both personally and professionally is that little feature of the mind called "paradigm." We would all do well to keep an open mind to the possibilities, while also maintaining a thick filter of skepticism. I guess the thing that gets me going most is when people say things emphatically, instead of saying them with qualification. Someone who says "well, from what I see now, it doesn't seem plausible, but show something more concrete and I'll change my mind," or anything along those lines.

It's when people come in with single-line posts, saying things like "Hey all you idiots, it's clearly CGI!", that I get quite annoyed, mainly because they are not being skeptics, they are being close-minded, knee-jerked, and highly prejudiced, which doesn't do much for getting to the bottom of things here.

I love skepticism, when it's based on something substantial, but when it's based on sheer uninformed disbelief, that is just like blind religious faith, and you really can't do much with that kind of thing.

Anyhow, sorry for the chattering rant... I'm feeling much better now

Let's stay on top of this one until it is fully and rationally explained, one way or the other...


[edit on 12-12-2009 by downisreallyup]

I am calling it a HOAX. For two reasons. NOBODY GETS OUT OF THE CAR AND NOBODY ROLLS DOWN A WINDOW. They are content to film through glass hindered by reflections. Not what one does when confronted with a once in a lifetime UFO experience that you want to film for posterity.