Quantum Mechanics shows there's life after death

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Quantum mechanics shows there's life after death.

This is because death is an entangled state. In reality, you are both dead and not dead at the same time. These two states are seperated because of decoherence but we know they are still connected because of non locality and entanglement.

So seperation is just an illusion of decoherence. Everything is connected.

This is not science fiction, it's well known science.

Mystics have been saying for years that everything is connected and now science supports them.

So the question becomes, how can you be dead if your also not dead?

The answer is parallel realities.

So if your hit by a car and die, there has to be a state where your not dead and maybe you broke your legs.

You will always find yourself in the reality where you survive death.

These states are connected and therefore there has to be quantum immortality.

There are a couple of potential problems with your hypothesis, the first being that our so-called scientists can come up with all the fantastic, or logical, solutions to the problems we face in this 3rd dimension, yet the "Laws of Physics" as we understand them do not necessarily (and usually do not) carry over into the higher dimension.

Parallel realities do not solve the "Dead and Dead" problem. They solve the "what if" problems of Souls wishing to milk their 3d incarnations to the maximum learning potential.

No, what solves the "Dead and Dead" problem is that the "You", the "real" you, is never dead. The vibrational energy that makes up the You (some may call it your "Soul") never dies, it just changes its physical (up to a point) manifestation.

Just like beer and tuxedos, You have only rented this particular manifestation of a physical body here on Earth for a short time while passing through this experience. When that body ceases to function, the You that's You does not "die" -- the part of your Soul that was operating the physical vessel just returns to the main You.

And thus the main You, being in a higher dimension, where our 3D Laws do not have to operate the same way, can -- because there time is not linear -- can access other manifestations of itself simultaneously.

The reality where you will never find yourself "dead" is not a parallel reality, it is a higher dimension, suitable for your current spiritual progress, where 3D Laws are not the "Laws of the Land".

reply to post by Matrix Rising


I don't buy it. Life requires a great deal of order to survive. There are millions of things that can go wrong and extinguish a life. So under these instances where things branch off if in all possible directions are not really good for life at all. I'd expect pretty much all of them to branch off into a lifeless and quite boring direction very quickly. Yet the universe I'm living in seems to maintain life pretty well.

Someone once said that when we die we are actually starting the "real " living . Now if we assume that what we live now when we talk here on ATS is like a dream state will we ever be aware or understand in any way what IS and what IS NOT? If this makes any sense.

Will we ever be able to say this is it. this is how it works .This is who I am . Am I part of something bigger?

Is this part of evolving spiritually either here or in other dimensions ? Self Realization . Or is it all a dream that we can never be fully awake ?

Either way I believe from personal experience there is no such thing as DEAD and that is IT ......As far as to what the Truth afterwards, maybe we will never know maybe we are in a continuous Limbo state .

Is anybody having some sort of similar ideas ?

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reply to post by Matrix Rising

Quantum Mechanics shows there's life after death

yet, you dont know what life is? Ironic, I will make a thread soon to prove my point.

In fact I will add to this one to save space.

There can not be "life" after death, for to be one would require you lose the other , "logic"..

why search for something when the answer is in front of you? its amazing to see everyone pissing up a wall trying to figure out the meaning of it when there are only 2 answers to the very question they ask. And here they are.. well.. You did ask!

Asking is the answer to being here "its function"

And you will NEVER know why, because it councils at the first.

YIN/YANG



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your gift in life WAS life, yet we search and search to understand why?

may be it is as simple as keeping it all going? do the cells in your body ask why they are cells? does a tree as why it is a tree? dose my cat ask why it is a cat?

Nope, because they are not being brainwashed to think that, humans are. by the very people who programm you about money will guide you in every retarded direction OTHER than yourself..

how very very SAD

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reply to post by thegreatobserver

I'm not trying to debunk anything. Just straight science. The properties of light are wave-like as well as particle-like. BOTH. If you measure or not!

Very true, light is wave and particle like. But it is an imcomplete conclusion. It get's tossed around like it's not peculiar at all.

But it is. How can one particle turn into a wave and vice versa?

If you measure or not!

That's were you are wrong. The DS exp. shows that a single particle presented with two paths, will take BOTH paths, if unchecked, it will interfere with ITSELF, creating a wave.

If the path of the particle is being watched, it can only go through one of two paths, it doesn't interfere with itself, and remains a particle.

Now the Quantum Eraser Exp. proves that it is not the physical act of "watching" wich path the particle takes, by interaction with a measuring device, but that it is the erasing and not erasing of the info from the measuring device, that is causing the particle to behave like a wave.

So the only variable is, is the experimenter able to know the wich path info or not.

Like many others before you, you also had no answer to the question, "why does it matter if the info is erased or not?"

Please explain, since you have so much "field experience"

And I'm not saying consciousness has no effect on reality. It has. The DS is however not the proof for this.

Like I said, the Quantum Eraser Exp., is proof for this.

Arrogant? I'm just confident.

reply to post by Point of No Return

But it is. How can one particle turn into a wave and vice versa?

scale

reply to post by Point of No Return

why does it matter if the info is erased or not?"

I can It does not matter that is the point...

the first word in your question gives you the answer, does it matter if a human dies or is born?

Does it matter if life is a product of the universe or not?

You see to understand the question begets the outcome always then all you need to understand is the question is always more important than the in fact out come.

Because the QUESTION will produce what ever outcome was the question was you asked "ie we can predict the outcome" it can be both yes and no at the same time, and why not? lets see..

Yes
No
Yes and No
No and Yes
Both

5 paths one can see, from this but only ONE question can make 5 things happen.. and that is the function of ASKING

both asking AND the outcomes are both ODD numbers

funny heh? Not really,, its because the ONE comes FROM YOU the observer :]

basic math oh and physics, tho they never appply that when it comes to understand YOUR role in all of this, they just let you apply math likes its some wizzardy? when in fact the basic principles that let you use math CREATED YOU in able for you to understand and use it as a tool.

hope i didnt warp ur brain to much there peeps

reply to post by TheRepublic


This article brings me back to an experience that I had about 20 years ago.

I was really sick; withering in pain, my vision quickly narrowed, becoming a tunnel which faded to a pinpoint in size. I tried as hard as I possibly could to get back to the light that was, my reality, and my life. It was one of the hardest most painful experiences I’ve ever been through words cannot describe the experience.

What is interesting is the next thing I remember is its morning and I feel drained, not whole as if something is missing. There is a distinct feeling that I may have died. This feeling went on for a few days but faded with time. I had the same impression as this article states, I just phased to another reality where I still lived and continued on with my life. I even had impressions of what the effect of my dying had on my family and friends even though I was still alive. These impressions were vivid and very realistic, and as anyone can imagine, troubling.

It’s almost as if, I was for a time between both realities before this one completely solidified.

If anyone has experienced anything similar I would like to hear about it.

reply to post by 13579

funny heh? Not really,, its because the ONE comes FROM YOU the observer :]

Like duh, that's the whole point I'm trying to make.

I'm just asking these questions about this specific exp. for a skeptic to answer.



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reply to post by Point of No Return


hehe yah i know kinda was trying to add to it.

sorry if you thought it was directed at you

"You will always find yourself in the reality where you survive death. "

Well....what about when you are 95 years old and THEN die? There is no place to go back and "survive" being old and physically worn out.

I would LOVE to believe that we somehow still exist after we die.....but a year of having grand mal seizures has taught me a LOT about my brain and how everything that is ME....comes from those brain cells. synapses and what not. I used to be an AVID believer of life after death until I started having seizures in March. I go to sleep...I wake up with a broken toe....or a busted lip....and my husband telling me stories of how I fought off three EMT's in the ambulance......I have NO recollection of ANYTHING except going to sleep. For a week after the seizure, I feel like I have taken acid or E.....everything seems new, special, alive...whatever you want to call it, (it's hard for me to explain, really)......ALL from the brain .....ALL internal.

Wish you were correct....maybe you are...but today, at this moment, sadly...I do not believe in surviving death.......

peace

The OP is wrong in his association with the good ol' world of QM. He makes reference to Schrodingers Cat (A thought experiment Schrodinger/Einstien). Where the duality of life/death is fluctuating in the quantum state however, the experiment required an "observer". Only by the introduction of the observer did things "decide what state to be in". Therefore I would question the OP as to the validity of his argument. I think, as an observer, the OP is in a confused state..................a QM joke, wow!!

reply to post by 13579


Well, ...it kinda was directed at me, you know "reply to Point..".

Lol, that's ok.

reply to post by Cornczech


Life is what is important.

That has always been our gift.. and you are not wrong tho sad at is may seem and the world sucks. You do indeed speak the truth

There is NO life after death because LIFE is only relitive to being HERE

some people confuse "BEING HERE" with LIFE.

sad but ture.

on another note i hope you are coping well

And let me add something i feel is warrented here in a something small you may be will take heart in.

When you are dead you in doing so create life, because that is our job

To keep it all going.

all life is and was needed and for ever shall be.

"on my death bed i can say I lived" and that alone shall comfort me when the time comes and gives me strenght knowing that I make the universe work just like you and everyone els "including my cat"

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reply to post by Point of No Return


A point that you made that I wanted to pick up and further.

So im sorry if you thought it was directed at you once again.

reply to post by Thesius


Well as this is a public forum, and i do not fear what im about to say..

I am no longer me, techincally I am human, of mind i am not.. I remember "his" past and I am still "me" if that makes much sens but my understanding and reason for being is some what a strange thing to tell.

Being at one with your self and understanding that life was a gift and is a function to repoduce what we share as people as beings is so taken for granted.

Me/I asked just like the rest.. but I did not come back the same person..

I came back to show you why it is you ask, what you do.. because without understanding the very question you seek, what would be the point in getting the answer?

The only thing i seen was my body in lights "mini universe" it makes no sens to me and i dont see why it should.

All i know is that the very question we ask is the very reason why we are here..

god asked a question? did he want man? did he want life?

keep the question going at all costs is the answer, not to get the answer but to keep it going by having humility..

there is my story.

reply to post by 13579


Don't worry.

It's all good.

I believe the specific concept the OP is referring to is called "quantum suicide." I've often thought about how that would work out practically as well.

Because the thing is, eventually everyone gets old and dies. Right? Well, we wouldn't know. Everything we know about growing old and dying of old age is not from our own experience. Only you can speak for your own reality.

For all I know, when a person grows old in their subjective reality, something "miraculous" happens to keep them going indefinitely. In my case, I'm young enough that by the time I grow old, technology may exist that renders aging obsolete and people will basically be immortal. (I also have to ask if it's a coincidence that I was born at a time when that may be possible.)

How this works/worked for people in the past with no promise of miraculous technology, I do not know. Maybe there's some hidden amazing biological function that kicks in at a certain point, but only in your subjective reality. Check out the movie The Man From Earth. It's about a guy who's thousands of years old, and it's implied he just has a biological quirk that kicked in around 35 that kept him from aging.

Hope any of that makes sense. It's hard to articulate these concepts.

This is a fascinating thread, probably covered before since it has to do with QM and the continuance of life.

Perhaps the brain is teasing us in times of stress, creating a reality that we can accept in order to lower our stress. Call it a survival mode, if you will.

I have faith, however, which does not fit this forum. This forum is looking for answers to life after death. Hopefully, there will be some scientific proof to satisfy those who seek it. However, I suggest that faith would not be faith if there were proof, and it would be, therefore, unlikely that a god who wants faith to exist as proof of love or whatever, would let science (which he, god, created) prove his existence. It would be self-defeating to his plan.

May I suggest the Biblical verse: "Ever learning, but never coming to a knowledge of the truth."?

Originally posted by R-evolve

Originally posted by TheRepublic
reply to post by Matrix Rising

 

exactly. energy can be neither created nor destroyed. matter is just energy trapped in form.

Surely the energy, body matter, becomes energy for bacteria, worms and such as we decompose. Theres nothing to suggest self awareness is separate from body matter. Our energy is recycled either through earth or flame.

Thank you, someone with intelligence has posted!

As I am sure you've noticed, people of this sort like to draw conclusions from the sciences that are never explicitly stated by the sciences. This is due to a gross misunderstanding and inability to comprehend very complex physics. I just don't understand how someone can go into a cursory reading of a complex physics with a biased opinion of what they 'think' they will find in their readings and then demand that such a thing actually exists.

Point of fact is, QM and Entanglement mention nothing of what the OP alludes to nor has it ever mentioned, demonstrated or experimented upon such possibilities. This concept does not exist at all within the framework of the theory nor within the experimented states. The OP decides to make an empty statement suggesting that QM and Entanglement do indeed discuss these aspects in regards to death, but then makes no offer of citing such sources, this just shows the BS wishful thinking of these type of folks.

To the OP:

I am ashamed of you, I truly am. I'm ashamed that our planet is shared by such deceitful lying people who take a narrow minded biased opinion and attempt to shove it upon the sciences that have nothing, literally nothing at all to do with your narrow minded biased opinion.

It's amazing that you folks still haven't figured out *why* we attack such ridiculous claims. You haven't figured that not everyone values such narrow minded blind beliefs or gross misunderstandings. No, we don't believe in a rain God because we understand the mechanics behind the water cycle. No, we don't believe in *your misunderstandings* because we *do* understand QM and Entanglement, and to be honest, it really is not that complicated and there is a plethora of websites out there that will demystify the most mystifying phenomena we've discovered thus far in our universe.