"Alternative Substances Forum" -- Conspiracy issues related to drugs, but NOT recreational/persona

Originally posted by MrDesolate
reply to post by PC equals Newspeak

 

How about just for a moment we take what we've been given and try to work with that? MAYBE if it can be proven that the topics can be discussed in a mature and academic manner, who knows what might happen? The door has been opened a crack. Shall we work with the light emitting through the crack, or kick it closed because it isn't open enough?

Thanks for that - that's kind of what i've been saying.

A new gate has opened, yet half the people are stood outside talking about the gate as opposed to seeing the opportunities beyond.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by MrDesolate
reply to post by PC equals Newspeak

 

How about just for a moment we take what we've been given and try to work with that? MAYBE if it can be proven that the topics can be discussed in a mature and academic manner, who knows what might happen? The door has been opened a crack. Shall we work with the light emitting through the crack, or kick it closed because it isn't open enough?

Thanks for that - that's kind of what i've been saying.

A new gate has opened, yet half the people are stood outside talking about the gate as opposed to seeing the opportunities beyond.

How much better is a tiny crack than a closed door when the really juicy issues are not allowed to be discussed?!?

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
How much better is a tiny crack than a closed door when the really juicy issues are not allowed to be discussed?!?

I've been reading around the new threads, and for the most part, the discussions are going well. Unless the "really juicy" issues are telling everybody how high you got, or where to score, then everything is being discussed without hinderence. If the bringing attention to this (one of the many) corporate conspiracy against the average person is really important to you, jump on in, the water is fine. If you just want to hound the admin. because this new forum isn't ALL you want it to be, then carry on. It seems like there is always one or two people that simply want to argue with SO on these announcement threads. I'm sure they're used to it though.

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
How much better is a tiny crack than a closed door when the really juicy issues are not allowed to be discussed?!?

It's called "incremental progress". Do you really expect years and years of policy to be overturned in entirety overnight? You (apparently) have been here 2 weeks so maybe don't have the necessary background to fully grasp what has transpired. This experiment has been tried repeatedly, and always failed, due to a number of members' seeming inability, or purposeful obstinance, to comply with some basic rules.

You seem hell-bent on traveling that same path. A little more has been allowed today than was on Saturday. That's progress. Why don't you settle down and try it for a couple of months before marching in here and slagging everyone and everything in your path? You're entitled to your opinion about the site and staff, but when it isn't backed with anything more than a 3 week tenure, I'm surprised you expect it to carry a lot of weight.

Originally posted by 27jd
I've been reading around the new threads, and for the most part, the discussions are going well. Unless the "really juicy" issues are telling everybody how high you got, or where to score, then everything is being discussed without hinderence.

The really juicy issue is the spiritual/philosophical use as well as the therapeutic use of drugs like THC, MDMA, '___', mescaling, 4-FA, '___' and many others and the conspiracy to silence this knowledge, to keep the public scared and to illegalise them while at the same time selling loads of mind-numbing drugs like Prozac or alcohol.

Originally posted by 27jd
If the bringing attention to this (one of the many) corporate conspiracy against the average person is really important to you, jump on in, the water is fine.

The reality of the corporate conspiracy will force the openminded investigator to at least contemplate the issue of legalisation, however SkepticOverlord has expressed his desire not to discuss that topic on this forum.

Originally posted by 27jd
It seems like there is always one or two people that simply want to argue with SO on these announcement threads.

As should be obvious looking at my nickname and profile picture, there is little I loathe more than censorship. One of my areas of interest is the Orwellian thought control of the post-modern Western world and it makes me wondering why a forum claiming to be dedicated to the intelligent exchange of ideas and debate on a wide range of "alternative topics" such as conspiracies, UFO's, paranormal, secret societies, political scandals, new world order, terrorism, and dozens of related topics would censor some of the most juicy topics not just one drugs but in other areas as well. Unless they have a secret agenda or they're incredibly narrowminded, it makes little sense. I believe it is important people become aware of this.

Originally posted by MrDesolate
It's called "incremental progress". Do you really expect years and years of policy to be overturned in entirety overnight?

From the looks of it, it seems to be little more than a smokescreen to please some of the boo-ers while there are major restrictions still last.

Originally posted by MrDesolate
You (apparently) have been here 2 weeks so maybe don't have the necessary background to fully grasp what has transpired.

It was contacts with people who were banned from ATS in the past that made me curious. I wanted to see this so-called censorship first hand and I can say what I've seen so far only confirms what I've heard from others.

Originally posted by MrDesolate
This experiment has been tried repeatedly, and always failed, due to a number of members' seeming inability, or purposeful obstinance, to comply with some basic rules.

The rules are fuzzy. Today ifferent ATS staff seems to have different opinions on what is allowed and what isn't and I doubt this was any different in the past.

Originally posted by MrDesolate
You seem hell-bent on traveling that same path. A little more has been allowed today than was on Saturday. That's progress.

What you see is similar to Israel putting a (temporary) ban on the construction of illegal settlements in West bank in full media display, while construction in the Gaza strip is continued with a vengeance with only a handful of unimportant reporters around. It's a smokescreen, nothing more, since the most interesting topics are still locked tight.

Originally posted by MrDesolate
Why don't you settle down and try it for a couple of months before marching in here and slagging everyone and everything in your path? You're entitled to your opinion about the site and staff, but when it isn't backed with anything more than a 3 week tenure, I'm surprised you expect it to carry a lot of weight.

Just because my account is only 3 weeks old, that doesn't mean I haven't been following ATS before.

Im sorry I still dont see this as being progress, and please feel free to disagree with me.

If we ATS members are not allowed to share our experiences with substances that are naturally occuring substances- plant based substances- and share how they have changed our lives, our perspective, our reality- psychedelics- and no I am not talking about '___' I am talking about Peyote, '___', Ayahuasca etc...Then what is the point of such a forum?

I totally get being anti-meth, anti-heroin- anti-crack--- but this website is for alternative subjects- and experienes with '___' for example- where people have many experiences with ALIENS and REPTILIANS and GREYS and INSECTIODS all in a totally different dimension, I think we could all learn and benefit from that. I cant see what harm it does.

I'm sorry but I am just so frustrated about all of my posts that I Have posted that have been deleted because I allude to an experience with any of the above substances, especially when it relates to the thread I am posting on. I get not "propogating" the use of such substances, and discussion of such substances would make the public more curious about them--- but what is the harm in that- other than people expanding their perspective on the universe.

So the Government says its illegal- that doesent mean its wrong!!!

When did ATS become concerned about Legality issues when this is a website about alternative topics.

I just wish the Moderators would have a more open mind regarding moderate discussion of psychedelic experiences.

Originally posted by PC equals Newspeak
The really juicy issue is the spiritual/philosophical use as well as the therapeutic use of drugs like THC, MDMA, '___', mescaling, 4-FA, '___' and many others and the conspiracy to silence this knowledge, to keep the public scared and to illegalise them while at the same time selling loads of mind-numbing drugs like Prozac or alcohol.

Well, i'm sure you can discuss the spiritual/philosophical use of those substances throughout mans history, without getting into personal use, or telling others they should try it. Present the facts.

The reality of the corporate conspiracy will force the openminded investigator to at least contemplate the issue of legalisation, however SkepticOverlord has expressed his desire not to discuss that topic on this forum.

It's being talked about, but more from the angle of discussing the crooked, money driven reasons that it's currently illegal.

As should be obvious looking at my nickname and profile picture, there is little I loathe more than censorship.

I understand that. But you should look at it from the angle that a little bit more of the censorship here on ATS has been lifted. Glass half full.

[edit on 30-11-2009 by 27jd]

Originally posted by xynephadyn
Then what is the point of such a forum?

As has been clearly stated, the point is to enable the discussion of conspiracies and cover-ups in which drugs and drug trafficking play a central role. Topics of importance to the code conspiracy-theme of ATS which have previously been restricted.

That is the only stated point.


The points and policies are clear. Thread closed.


[edit on 30-11-2009 by SkepticOverlord]