Swiss voters favour minaret ban: exit polls

Originally posted by wayno
I do believe that you have some severe cultural clash issues over on your side of the pond; without a doubt.

Yes,according to certain reports the UK has some very serious problems:

British "Muslim Only" Zones

(Birmingham, England) This report is depressing. It appears that British police are allowing specific communities to be defined as "Muslim Only."

The following incident occurred in the Alum Rock area of Birmingham, a known incubator for terrorists.
Two Christian preachers were stopped from handing out Bible extracts by police because they were in a Muslim area, it was claimed yesterday.

They say they were told by a Muslim police community support officer that they could not preach there and that attempting to convert Muslims to Christianity was a hate crime.

The community officer is also said to have told the two men: 'You have been warned. If you come back here and get beat up, well, you have been warned.'

The preachers, Americans Arthur Cunningham and Joseph Abraham, said they would take the police force to court for violating their human rights. It's alleged that Police Community Support Officer (PCSO) Naeem Naguthney was aggressive and threatening. Two other officers joined in and one, a full constable, told the preachers to leave and don't come back.

interested-participant.blogspot.com...

I also think it doesn't help the 'concept of intergration' when the UK has 'actions promoting segregation' like this:


muslim-only swimming pool sessions


muslim-only theme park days



muslim-only gymnasiums


muslim only prisons


Safe to say,if the boot was on the other foot and it was muslims who were denied entrance to these places, there would be hysterical cries of intolerance and bigotry all round.

Originally posted by wayno
Its still not a reason to hate on any one group as a whole.

No, you're right about that.

following a religion is a decision, a conscious choice, not like the colour of skin or whether you have one leg- I hate the fact that a growing number of my fellow citizens choose to follow Islam, mainly due to the immigration policies of a traitorous elite- that being said I do not wish to suddenly deport all of them- just the illegals (same goes for all illegals)

ALL policies pandering to the "separateness" desires of Muslims should also be knocked on the head and the policy of Multi culturalism should be taught in british schools as an example of treason

Originally posted by OBE1
I won't question the vote , but there is something about this motif I find disturbing....

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Black, White and Red...

Yeah that is a striking color combination.

They really grab peoples attention it's no wonder the Nazi's chose to use it.


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reply to post by karl 12


Wow, things have really gone too far when public institutions start implementing discrimination based on religion. Where is the common sense over there?

Private clubs are something else. I suppose they can do whatever they like in terms of limiting their clientele.

Just as an aside, I was surprised when I went to see the new vampire movie the other day on cheap movie night, that there were a number of Muslim youngsters. I knew this only because some of the girls had their heads covered. While I was surprised at first, I was happy in the end to see them integrating so comfortably.

I know some on this thread have difficulty believing most Muslims are moderate and integrate easily here where I live, but that is in fact the way it is. Here, hard nosed Brits are a minority. Maybe that is why it works.

Originally posted by wayno
Wow, things have really gone too far when public institutions start implementing discrimination based on religion. Where is the common sense over there?

This is a large assumption. Already one resident of Switzerland mentioned this is a noise issue, not necessarily a religious one. Further the scenery in Switzerland is an issue. So your effort to make this a racist hate issue is very apparent. Wonder where you got your motivation, eh?

she can watch all the vampire movies she wants, she is still choosing (let us hope she is choosing, a lot of these woman in those communities have a dubious form of "choice") to oppress herself in the name of religion and choosing to stand for such oppression under the banner of religion.

If covering up is so empowering then how come the dudes don't do it?


But you keep doing your little covered head counts and living in your rainbow fantasy- hard nosed brits will keep looking at reality

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reply to post by blueorder


Wow i am surprised that you would agree with BNP's foreign policy.Letting islamic nations, dictators and militias getting fully equipped with nukes and other deadly weapons as long as they don't hurt little britain and take back all the muslims living in it.Not funding and helping israel because they are not british and have got nothing to do with UK.

No wonder the NWO doesn't want right wingers into power.Their idea of global policing, control and dominition doesn't go hand in hand with the right wingers idea of 'you mind your own business and i mind my own'.

reply to post by JJay55

This is a large assumption. Already one resident of Switzerland mentioned this is a noise issue, not necessarily a religious one. Further the scenery in Switzerland is an issue. So your effort to make this a racist hate issue is very apparent. Wonder where you got your motivation, eh?

Dude, relax. Do you have a problem with perception or what? My comment was about the other poster's story of having Muslim only swimming in a public pool. I think that is ridiculous.

You need to stop and think twice before assuming you know what I say, because every time you seem to get the wrong end of the stick, as you guys like to say.

Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by JJay55

 

This is a large assumption. Already one resident of Switzerland mentioned this is a noise issue, not necessarily a religious one. Further the scenery in Switzerland is an issue. So your effort to make this a racist hate issue is very apparent. Wonder where you got your motivation, eh?

Dude, relax. Do you have a problem with perception or what? My comment was about the other poster's story of having Muslim only swimming in a public pool. I think that is ridiculous.

You need to stop and think twice before assuming you know what I say, because every time you seem to get the wrong end of the stick, as you guys like to say.

Dude, I'm not a dude. And I don't need to stop and think twice about anything, thanks.
Try to stay on topic instead of turning everything into hate and racism. that is all.

reply to post by JJay55


I take back any statement referring to racism because that is incorrect. The motivating factor behind this story is discrimination based on religion; not race.

The question is should society begin making laws that discriminate according to religion. It has been a bragging point in most of the west that such laws are not permitted.

My position is that we should not discriminate on that basis, period. Some of you think its OK to do so if it is the "other guy's" religion. That is hypocritical. That is usually how its done in the less advanced countries that you all put down.

Yes, this is about hate and/or unjustified fears underlying what seem like innocuous regulations. It starts with minarets and ends where?

Oh it is spreading, right wing groups in Italy have now called for a referendum on these Minarts to be banned from being built in Italy as a whole.

The Italian population can have a say on this, unlik us in the UK, Parliament decides nt us. So much for democracy!

Wonder how hard it would be to remove the minarets after they have been allowed rather than just not allowing them in the first place?
Another example of how Islam noses it's way in and then won't leave.
Zero tolerance for Sharia Law. Zero tolerance for Islamic violence and threats!!!

The main reason why Swiss vote against new Minarets:

www.myweirddreams.com...

article.nationalreview.com...
"The recent Swiss vote to ban the construction of minarets in that European nation has become the latest controversy to generate Muslim protests worldwide. However, Islamic governments are in no position to complain about Western intolerance and “Islamophobia.” Most Muslim nations are repressive or offer only limited political freedom. More often than not, Islamic states violate basic human rights; and almost all persecute Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities. "

I don't see what the big deal is. The Swiss have a referendum, the votes are counted, the majority wins. Democracy, how 'bout that! People are free to leave Switzerland at any time if they so choose, no traveling papers are required to exit the country. So again, what's the big deal?

As for those concerned about the colour scheme of the adverts; the Roman Republic's official colours were also red, white and black, and they preceded the Nazi's by a few years. Also, the Swiss flag is red and white so...what's the big deal!

reply to post by Circle


That is completely wrong

The strength of DEMOCRACY is in Majority rule not support of minorities

That would be Socialism your referring to and i don't think imho socialism actually has any strength.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Does anybody know if a Muslim Country would allow a Cathedral built?

[edit on 29-11-2009 by SLAYER69]

Saudi Arabia does not allow any Christian Church at all

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Does anybody know if a Muslim Country would allow a Cathedral built?

[edit on 29-11-2009 by SLAYER69]

Saudi Arabia does not allow any Christian Church at all

Saudi Arabia does not allow you to bring in a picture of a Christian Church.

Not kidding.

We won't even get into their tolerance for anything remotely connected to
Judaism.

reply to post by mopusvindictus

The strength of DEMOCRACY is in Majority rule not support of minorities

Used indiscriminately, what you are talking about would just amount to mob rule.

It makes sense for majority rule amongst a group of people with a common interest or stake in a matter. People should not be voting on matters that do not concern them.

Americans do not get a vote on matters that pertain to Canada, because its not your business. If you did, your majority numbers would outweigh Canadian numbers. It would be unfair.

Similarly, within countries, it is stupid to have the entire country vote on matters that only involve a small portion of the population. It should be up to Muslims to decide what their places of prayer should look like. What business is it of any non-Muslim? If there are noise and height restrictions on buildings then they should apply to every building; not just those of a particular religion.

What you are talking about is not democracy, it is mob rule.

Let the larrykins whine about western values somehow being contradicted, sometimes you just have to buddy up and make a choice- the Swiss have decided that it is better to do this to send a message that the growth of Islam is not something which they feel is a positive.

We have to make decisions, traitorous governments with their treasonous policies of mass immigration, surrendering of sovereignty and multi culturalism has meant all previous notions of western liberalism are redundant- sometimes you have to fight or die, sometimes you will fight and die, either way, this is a fight within Europe, make no mistake

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