I'm am finally a Master Mason... Any Questions?

Really? So who is trying to implement a despotic ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, who is trying to create A ONE WORLD CURRENCY,

..Umm.. Bankers? Politicians? Captain of Industry? Globalist? Liberals?

Not "illoominati" .. which doesn't exist. Illuminati is just a term used by ignorant individuals who know nothing about international business/politics and so use Illuminati to explain anything and everything. Very ignorant indeed.

Right, so you as a 32* mason think you know more than researchers who have spent countless hours digging info....Did you even look at my link?

I guess its bliss to be naive but that won't make problems go away. And I found the "liberal" part to be of poor taste becaue obviously you don't realise BOTH PARTIES are essentially the same.

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Right, so you as a 32* mason think you know more than researchers who have spent countless hours digging info....Did you even look at my link?

Dude, if you honestly think you found something special regarding conspiracy theories while searching Google ............. all I gotta say is; welcome to ATS.

I've seen it all.

And I don't call that research, because 99.9% has been PROVEN incorrect.

Yes. I firmly believe I know and understand much, much, much more than those so called researchers. and you, for that matter. 32º not withstanding.

And I found the "liberal" part to be of poor taste becaue obviously you don't realise BOTH PARTIES are essentially the same.

Last I checked, mate, "Liberal" was not a Political party .. it was a mindset of ideologies. If you're gunna call someone ignorant, ya really shouldn't look like a buffoon trying to do it:

Both parties are Liberal in practice, only one side is Religious and socially Conservative, but both believe in Socialist ideology. This quasi Fascist/socialist ideology is the move toward Globalism, ie, New World Order.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Really? So who is trying to implement a despotic ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, who is trying to create A ONE WORLD CURRENCY, who is releasing bio-engineered virii with the intent to kill or at least get rich in selling vaccines, who is fabricating evidence for global warming, who is running countries as corporations???

Certainly not a group that was disbanded 224 years ago... Namely, the Bavarian Illuminati, which is the group explicitly brought up by Illegal Alien and responded to by myself.

I have read about the 13 families of the illuminatiand yes THEY ARE BIG NAMES there folks, people who are above the law in every conceivable fashion.

There are so many lies in those documents, it's not even worth spending the time to look for any truth.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Dude, if you honestly think you found something special regarding conspiracy theories while searching Google ............. all I gotta say is; welcome to ATS.

I've seen it all.

And I don't call that research, because 99.9% has been PROVEN incorrect.

Yes. I firmly believe I know and understand much, much, much more than those so called researchers. and you, for that matter. 32º not withstanding.

As far as I know, almost nothing has proven incorrect because if it was I woudn't be here wasting my time, your time and everyone else's time.

You can call us crazy if you like, frankly I don't care. I am not here trying to be a hero or anything but at the same time I see a lot of meaningless diatribe with no interest in actual conspiracy discussion. Just a lot of masons patting each other on the back...well done, lets go debunk another thread!

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Last I checked, mate, "Liberal" was not a Political party .. it was a mindset of ideologies. If you're gunna call someone ignorant, ya really shouldn't look like a buffoon trying to do it:

Both parties are Liberal in practice, only one side is Religious and socially Conservative, but both believe in Socialist ideology. This quasi Fascist/socialist ideology is the move toward Globalism, ie, New World Order.

Wow. The only thing you know is that both parties are the same in practice but calling it socialism...well that is somewhat of a streetttcccchhhhh!

Did you visit europe 2-3 decades ago? Even then the political system in place was leaning more towards mild-capitalism than socialism.

You don't have the slighest idea what socialism is and I am not here to explain it to you, so we will just have to agree to disagree. And I love how you equate it to fascism. How can german national socialism be the same with soviet style socialism? Something for you to think about LONG AND HARD!

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reply to post by PreyBird

All I have to say is: Congratulations.

Fraternally

KSigMason, WM

reply to post by dashen

No nudity.

reply to post by ReAlIzAtIoN

I'm a Master Mason!

reply to post by infolurker

But the Master Mason is the highest degree, nothing is superior to the 3rd degree.

reply to post by moocowman

Never invitation, you must ask to join.

reply to post by DOADOA

It's a charitable / philanthropic organization.

reply to post by brilab45

I'm a Mason and I've never received special treatment nor do we think we are elite.

Some were asking what the basis for Freemasonry is. To me it seems, from the works produced from the members, that the basis is the study of the occult and philosophy.
I've read and enjoyed some books produced by it's members.

Secret societies, to me, have much a place on this world, especially if the gloomy outlook for the future comes to pass.
Personally, I would not regard Freemasonry to be a secret society, it's membership is open, the meet openly.

reply to post by ZombieOctopus

In Idaho, the initiation fees are $250 and the annual dues after that is $100. Each Rite/body has its own fees. I paid $1200 for the life membership in the Blue Lodge and then I pay $100 annually to the York Rite and $30 to the Eastern Star.

reply to post by Stanton Dowd

Why is ritualistic behavior screwed up? I bet you have some "rituals" of your own.

What poor work has been done by our Creator?

How do you know of these hidden agendas then? How are these secrets within secrets existing and the "lowers" don't know about it, but you do?

reply to post by Totalstranger

Well, we do have lives beyond the keyboard. I'm on and off the board all the time, doesn't mean we're silencing each other.

reply to post by Fromabove

Lucifer was a disgraced Babylonian King that Isaiah wrote about and that St. Jerome mistranslated.

reply to post by technical difficulties

That depends on the individual Brothers faith.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Why ban secret societies? In America at least the 1st Amendment still exists.

reply to post by downtown436

I have read Morals and Dogma, and no we don't worship Lucifer. When the good Brother Pike talks about Lucifer, he talks about light, enlightenment, knowledge, etc. In fact, no where in the 19th degree or any other degree is Lucifer mentioned or discussed. As I stated before the term Lucifer was a mistranslation about a disgraced Babylonian King, named Helal, son of Shahar (Day Star, son of the Morning). St. Jerome mistranslated it and King James scholars translated off of Jerome's writings not the original Hebrew.

reply to post by Illegal Alien

Which one did you go to? Where was it at?

reply to post by Fromabove

There are so many on that list that are not Freemasons nor 33rd Masons.

I love how no non-member ever goes to a Masonic site. I know the Supreme Council puts out each year a list of those who received the 33rd and KCCH.

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Originally posted by JoshNorton
Certainly not a group that was disbanded 224 years ago... Namely, the Bavarian Illuminati, which is the group explicitly brought up by Illegal Alien and responded to by myself.

There are so many lies in those documents, it's not even worth spending the time to look for any truth.

Maybe they go by a different name today. That is immatterial!

If you look at that list you will see the wealthiest and most influential families to have ever existed. There is a saying "Always follow the money".

Why are these families neglected by mainstream media? You always hear about millionares and billionares, but never trillionares.

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I ask any freemason: If these conspiracy theories (too many to list) concerning masonry are all false allegations, who or what do you think is causing this for your organizations? Do you believe that there is a conspiracy to dissolve fraternal organizations in general? Why do you feel that young people today show little interest in them? Is the negative publicity hurting new involvement or are more people asking to join?

Originally posted by 2compelled
I ask any freemason: If these conspiracy theories (too many to list) concerning masonry are all false allegations, who or what do you think is causing this for your organizations? Do you believe that there is a conspiracy to dissolve fraternal organizations in general? Why do you feel that young people today show little interest in them? Is the negative publicity hurting new involvement or are more people asking to join?

It has been a problem for Freemasonry ever since the Anti-Masonic Political Party came into existence, and was further escalated with The Taxil Hoax.

Nobody wants to think that the country can simply go downhill from bad management without a conspiracy. Nor do they spend the time to understand where their propaganda originates from or who created it and for what purposes.

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I went to the one in London.

www.culture24.org.uk...

Freemasons' Hall
Great Queen Street
London
WC2B 5AZ
England

Apart from the skull and crossbones insignia, there were also many items displaying the eye in the triangle, and among the items on display were various ceremonial swords and other items used by the British Royal family, and other well known dignitaries who's names I am unable to recall.
I intend to go again next time I visit London, but alone this time, so I can take the time to examine the exhibits in more detail, if they're still on display.
Unfortunately, when I asked if it was OK to take photographs, permission was denied to me.

Edit to add: There is also an eye in the triangle on the front of the altar in the main temple of this freemason's website, if anyone's interested.
It comes from another recent thread posted by AUM63.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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are free masons a dying breed soon to be extinct? why is so many masonic halls closing down?

ADD:are free masons feeling the credit cunch?

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Do you honestly think you know much about the higher levels of your organization?

From what I understand organizations like the Masons and such are sort of like farm teams for the global elite.

Yes, I have a question. Why do you eat babies? Masons do eat babies, right?

reply to post by 2compelled

What causes it? Lies.

Many things lead to it: religious zealotry, paranoia, bitterness, jealousy.

There are some young people that show interest in Freemasonry. This year we have had 12 new members join just my Lodge. All but 4 of my officers are under the age of 30, all but 1 is under the age of 40.

reply to post by Illegal Alien

Ah, I'm in the States so I've never been. I'd have to see the exhibit to talk about the symbolism. My immediate guess was it had something to do with the York Rite.

The eye symbolizes Divine Providence, the Supreme being, the Deity, the Creator, and so on. I know in Christianity the Triangle is the trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

I know there are some Royal Family members who are Freemasons. I believe the current Grand Master of the UGLE is the Duke of Kent. I too like to visit Museums alone so I can take my time. That sucks to hear they won't let you take pictures. I know when I helped with the Idaho Masonic exhibit I encouraged picture taking and I know many places across the USA will allow picture taking.

reply to post by muggl3z

Do you honestly think you know much about the organization that the members do?

To all the people who "know" way more about masonry than masons:

How do "you" grow your tomato(e)s on mars, I mean, obviously you would know more about this since you've not ever been there, right?

Originally posted by Jumbia
To all the people who "know" way more about masonry than masons:

How do "you" grow your tomato(e)s on mars, I mean, obviously you would know more about this since you've not ever been there, right?

Although I think you have a point to an extent you have to also consider that being inside of something could also distort your views. Such as someone inside of freemasonry might be unwilling to see it goes far beyond that one organization.

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there are a some people who joined masonry for a bunch of reasons, some of which being to find out if those rumors and conspiracy theories were true. So I think they would be very critical of things hidden from outsiders. I joined for a lot of reasons, and admittedly, one was to see if there was anything to the Lucifer worship/children eating things. I will do my part to assure you that I nor anybody I associate with in masonry worship anything but our God. And we eat a lot of chicken, but no children. I can see how that would get confusing, (they both start with C).

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If I was going to join freemasonry it'd be to get a nice job. lol

A lot of my family are masons, porch-masons but masons. It's all about the good ol' boy network. You have a job opening you will probably fill it with a lodge brother, you are out of a job - talk to a lodge brother.

That's why I'd join.