I'm am finally a Master Mason... Any Questions?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I'll discuss anything meaningful that I can without betraying any of the oaths I've taken.

Ofcourse I also say that realizing that I can, in no way, dispel any misconceptions if somebody has already made up their mind. This is undoubtedly why threads like this crop up at least once a week.

Actions speak louder than words and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out our world has been polluted with bad ideas from day 1. Our economy is in ruins, 2 world wars, disease, famine, no ufo/alien disclosure, pseudo-religions, private banks controlling everything and everyone, illusionary governments, etc.

Is our world a mess? Ofcourse it is, we all know that. Are Masons responsible? Absolutely! Are Masons solely responsible? No way. It's human nature to scapegoat things they don't fully understand when things seem bad but the fact is we've all created the problems we're currently facing, either through direct actions or just inactivity.

I've also suspicions that things in this world are being controlled by an elite few. If so then I'm sure there's a chance some of them are Masons also, however that doesn't make all Masons evil people by association, you'll find bad people in any organization anywhere in the world.

Originally posted by Illegal Alien
reply to post by Choronzon

 

I went to a museum of Freemasonry, and there were lots of items of regalia on display, many of which had the Skull and bones emblem on them.

The symbol of skull & bones was created by the naval fleet of the Knights Templar, so there is a bit of use of this symbol in Freemasonry. However the organization of Skull & Bones is a fraternity that has no ties with Freemasonry.

to be one ask one,never seen the stickers

Originally posted by downtown436
Have you read morals and dogma?

Because I read the whole thing. I hope you like worshiping lucifer, because you will do more and more of it as you advance.

I am glad to see you have read Morals and Dogma so it will be very simple for you to direct us to where in that tome it indicates that Masons do or will worship Lucifer.

Originally posted by Choronzon

Originally posted by Fromabove
BTW GWH Bush, the father of GW Bush is a master Mason of the 33rd degree.

Ah, it makes sense now what you're saying.....I should have known that when discussing Masonry the probability of a non-Mason labeling another non-Mason political figure a Mason approaches 1...

I'm sorry to inform you neither Bush is a Freemason. They are however skull & bones members, which is not affiliated with Freemasonry.

Hmm, I really thought you had something going there too....so sad.

Read this...

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

www.memritv.org...

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

To anyone who has a legitimate question concerning Freemasonry. Feel free to contact me here, or directly at www.myspace.com/vammafighter

I am a Master Mason.
-A member in good standing at the Western Branch Lodge of Portsmouth, Virginia. Lodge#189 of the 34th Masonic district of Virginia. It is a regular Lodge (ie; not clandestine); legally operating under the authority, and jurisdiction, of the Grand Lodge of Virginia. www.grandlodgeofvirginia.org You may find my lodge listed at the GLoVa website..

Hope I can help...
Fiat Lux,
Brandon

I was a member of the Order of the Eastern Star for about 5 years before I decided to quit because I was bored to death of it all. Yes, I am a woman. I was able to join through my grandfather, who was a 32nd degree. But back when I joined it was daughter, sister, mother, wife, widow, granddaughter of a Mason, etc eligible to join. But now it's expanded to include more family relationships to a Mason.

The OP can answer just about anything except the secret door knocks, handshakes and verbal pass codes that identify one Mason to another. Everything else is fair game. There isn't much to hide in the Blue Lodge, which is the first 3 degrees. So no, the OP isn't going to get into any trouble.

I come from a long line of ancestral Masons on both sides of the family. Highest anyone got that I know of is just 32nd degree/Shriner. And none of them were rich, influential or involved in government work. Many Masons are just "regular Joes" who go to meetings and socialize. Some even have dinners after each meeting. Some chapters allow alcohol on the premises while others do not. I've met some Masons over the years who can really guzzle the booze. hehe

There is a common bumper sticker out there that says "2B1Ask1." Meaning that memberships are not invite only, but if a man wants to join he has to ask a Mason. It's that simple. Then he is interviewed by a few guys from the lodge, then they give their recommendations at the next meeting. After that, a vote. Then the candidate is contacted and told to show up at such and such a time for the initiation. After initiation, memorization work. Then the candidate gets to move up in the degrees. But it's not all cut and dry. If someone has a brain fart and can't remember something he's supposed to say during a ritual, one of the other guys will prompt him. They are very forgiving. Some of them are used to helping anyway especially if they have old geezers in the membership.

To go into the higher degrees, that's when things get more complicated, especially if in a small town and there are not enough members to put on the ritual. (There are costumes and other neat things I've seen in Lodge storage areas, but never seen anyone wearing them, except for the DeMolay guys at Conclave.) So the higher degrees sometimes take more time because they like to have more than one candidate at a time in order to make it worthwhile. Some guys may have to travel to another lodge to get it done, or wait until higher ups from the state/country make an official visit.

reply to post by Choronzon


Thanks for clearing that one up for me.

So both the Freemasons and The Skull and Bones use symbolism which originated with the Knights Templar, who had a deity called Baphomet, which is often confused with Satan and Lucifer, who are also confused with each other.

Am I on the right track with this?

I can understand the crossover of symbolic systems though, as orders like The Golden Dawn, The OTO, and many others also use systems like The Qabala and such, so that does make sense to me.

Could you explain to me why the Eye in the Triangle is also very commonly used amongst the symbols of Freemasonry, as I understand it was part of the symbology of the Bavarian Illuminati (Who apparently did have a plan to rule the world), and is well known from the American Dollar bill.

From what I've heard and read so far, it would appear that the eye represents the all seeing eye of a creator, and each of the steps, or layers of the pyramid represents a stage in some kind of hierarchy of government or something.

Am I on the right track with this too?

I've read so much from the NWO conspiracy perspective, and it's interesting to read the viewpoint from the opposite side of the fence, so to speak, but I must admit that with all the surveillance, RFID chips, Georgia guidestones, Bilderberg, dodgy bankers, and the like, the scales are weighing quite heavily on the conspiracy side from my perspective.
I would love to disbelieve it all but the reputed fact that many of the people and organisations involved in all this jiggery pokery do seem to have a Masonic/Skull and bones/Bilderberg connection is something of a concern to many people, including myself.
I'm not of the opinion that ALL Masons are dodgy, and I've hardly met any who I didn't like, but every Yin has it's Yang, and if The Masons really are self- policing, I think they may have quite an unenviable task ahead of them.

Thanks for the interesting thread.

I.A.

Edited to get rid of a word that sounded dumb.

[edit on 27-11-2009 by Illegal Alien]

Originally posted by Illegal Alien
So both the Freemasons and The Skull and Bones use symbolism which originated with the Knights Templar, who had a deity called Baphomet, which is often confused with Satan and Lucifer, who are also confused with each other.

The templars had no such deity. They were framed by the Catholic church and a French King, tortured and forced to make false admissions. They were Christians. Nothing more, nothing less.

Could you explain to me why the Eye in the Triangle is also very commonly used amongst the symbols of Freemasonry, as I understand it was part of the symbology of the Bavarian Illuminati (Who apparently did have a plan to rule the world), and is well known from the American Dollar bill.

There's absolutely no historical proof that the Bavarian Illuminati ever used the eye in the pyramid as a symbol. None. To the best of my research, I've seen ONE reference to them using it, written by a conspiracy theorist around 1956, and then, of course, it was popularized by the fiction of Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson in the Illuminatus! Trilogy around 1976. Every other person trying to tie the two has come since then. (Also nothing to suggest the BI wanted to rule the world. Take down tyrants and oppressive religions? Sure. Run things? No. Not really on their agenda.)

From what I've heard and read so far, it would appear that the eye represents the all seeing eye of a creator, and each of the steps, or layers of the pyramid represents a stage in some kind of hierarchy of government or something.

On the great seal, the eye represents the all seeing eye of god, and the 13 steps under it represent the original 13 colonies of the United States.

Originally posted by Fromabove
www.biblebelievers.org.au...

This list has a some names of Masons on it, and many names of people who were not Masons. I mean, come on... Stalin? Lenin? Both atheists, and thus unable to join. Hussein? He outlawed Freemasonry in Iraq. Clinton, Carter, Regan, Bush? None Masons. There have only been 14 US Presidents who were Masons, and the last was Ford.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Oh great, another site claiming to prove something by posting a bunch of pictures of people doing funny things with their hands. Yeah. That will go far.

Originally posted by AUM68
I am thinking on digging into freemason architecture, and would like if you could tell me, what the Obelisk means to freemasons - why is it so important and what does it symbol ?

Contrary to popular belief, neither the obelisk nor the pyramid have any particular symbolic meaning in Masonry. The symbols of Freemasonry are the tools by which stone is worked, not the end result which is made with those tools. The tools are each symbolic of how we should lead our lives; the structure we're building is a better self. The only "end product" symbolism used in Freemasonry are the rough and smooth ashlars; essentially the before and after, or the what we are and what we strive to be.

reply to post by Choronzon


Skull and Bones (symbol, not college frat) is also a symbol of Mortality, which as you know but many others may not, is a key point in Masonic teachings.. Some people are frightened by the sight of such morbid symbols as bones and skulls .. But that's why we say Masonry aint for everyone

reply to post by downtown436

Originally posted by downtown436 Have you read morals and dogma? Because I read the whole thing. I hope you like worshiping lucifer, because you will do more and more of it as you advance.

I don't believe in "Lucifer" (assuming you mean Satan, no?) so I would love to hear the story as to how I worship that which I don't believe in. I am sure the Buddhist, Deist, Pagans and what have you, would also love to know how they secretly worship something that they don't believe in.

This thread is a awesome example of widespread confusion regarding Masonry.

reply to post by Illegal Alien


No, you got it way wrong mate.

The Knights Templar gave rise to what we actually know as the "Jolly Roger" flag, flown above their outcasted ships that reigned terror over British and French trading ships after the massacre of the Knights.

The Symbol in Masonry is probably not directly linked to the flag, because the symbol is used in literal form. That is to say, there is literally a skull and cross bones. The symbol reflects mortality, death, that which is the end for all men. The idea being, to reflect on ones own mortality is to understand that we have a short time span on this existence to do as much good as possible.

Nowhere in Masonic teachings is Piracy mentioned, nor the flag flown above Templar naval ships.

It should also be noted that it's only through verbal histories that place the flag with the Templars. No flag has ever been found, and the first entries of written history did not occur until the 16-1700's. Long after the Templars ceased to exist.

Originally posted by Fromabove
Read this...

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

www.memritv.org...

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Wow, links with out comments. If you want to discuss the non-membership of anyone listed on those fundementalist sites why not post them on a pre-exisitng thread where we can debate your evidence.

Originally posted by Illegal Alien
Could you explain to me why the Eye in the Triangle is also very commonly used amongst the symbols of Freemasonry, as I understand it was part of the symbology of the Bavarian Illuminati (Who apparently did have a plan to rule the world), and is well known from the American Dollar bill.

It is the Eye of Providence and represents the Eye of Diety to which all hearts are open and all desires known. It was originally a Trinitarian symbol and was meant to evoke God's transfigural divinity.

It was never the symbol of the Bavarian Illuminati, their symbol was that of an owl. I direct you to Terry Melanson's (a former poster on this site) book Perfectibilists which is the most highly researched and informative work on the Bavarian Illuminati. He covers this misnomer within his work and also dispells many other modern myths associated with the Illuminati as well as bringing new information to light.

From what I've heard and read so far, it would appear that the eye represents the all seeing eye of a creator, and each of the steps, or layers of the pyramid represents a stage in some kind of hierarchy of government or something.

The first part is correct. The unfinished pyramid is solely an American invention and depicts Strength and Duration and that our work, the building of our country, is never completed.

Sorry folks.... I have not had much time lately to be posting replies to you questions. Although, I am tickled pink that so many have questions, inquiries or their own personal experiences.

I have one question for many. Knowing who the Freemasons are in general, if aware, can someone explain, in their own words, why the Catholic church to this day denounces freemasonry and why they decided to start the Knights of Columbus, which is in very many ways share the same rituals as Freemasonry.

The Roman Catholic religion, in my opinion, is somewhat radical by discouraging its regular members from joining into freemasonry. Sooo, in my opinion again, the Roman Catholic church would be the singular source that tries to put Freemasonry into a bad light. Remember HITLER wanted freemasons rounded up and killed. Why? The answer is easily revealed.

It only makes sense, that any religion that would believe their practice is the "be all end all" of any denomination, its core would do what it could to make anything which apposed it's belief system look bad. Like say...SATAN. No different that the Pagans being labelled as witches and satan worshipers.



Your thoughts please. This should honestly be a thread in itself.

Thank you all for clearing up my misconceptions regarding the symbols and stuff.
Looks like I've got a fair bit of catching up to do on these subjects.
I dislike ignorance, especially when I find it in myself.
Still, if you don't know what's wrong, it's difficult to put things right.
Trouble is, it's sometimes difficult to find reliable sources of information, what with all the secrecy, coverups, and rumours etc....
Thanks again.

I.A.

I'm am finally a Master Mason... Any Questions?

Now that I am accepted as a Master Mason of the Brotherhood... I really would like to know how many individuals on this forum have considered petitioning for initiation and membership into Freemasonry. Feel free to express your reservations and/or interests and I will certainly share my reasonings for joining.

Take care
C.



Does it matter?

No, of course not

[edit on 28-11-2009 by wdygadsei]

Originally posted by JoshNorton
There's absolutely no historical proof that the Bavarian Illuminati ever used the eye in the pyramid as a symbol. None. To the best of my research, I've seen ONE reference to them using it, written by a conspiracy theorist around 1956, and then, of course, it was popularized by the fiction of Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson in the Illuminatus! Trilogy around 1976. Every other person trying to tie the two has come since then. (Also nothing to suggest the BI wanted to rule the world. Take down tyrants and oppressive religions? Sure. Run things? No. Not really on their agenda.)

Really? So who is trying to implement a despotic ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, who is trying to create A ONE WORLD CURRENCY, who is releasing bio-engineered virii with the intent to kill or at least get rich in selling vaccines, who is fabricating evidence for global warming, who is running countries as corporations???

Oh yea, the elite! Who are the elite? Are they masons, the illuminati, skull and bones, OTO, god, satan, budha??? Come on, people who participate on ATS should be smarter than that. I can understand masons want to protect their reputation but in the end we have to protect each other even if it means breaking your oath to get the truth out.

I have read about the 13 families of the illuminatiand yes THEY ARE BIG NAMES there folks, people who are above the law in every conceivable fashion.

reply to post by PreyBird


It takes a long, long time for the Church to change her mind. But for the most part, the Church does not denounce Masonry. In some cases Cardinals have said things, but the Pope has not. You seem to have a bit of hostility towards the Church?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Really? So who is trying to implement a despotic ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, who is trying to create A ONE WORLD CURRENCY,

..Umm.. Bankers? Politicians? Captain of Industry? Globalist? Liberals?

Not "illoominati" .. which doesn't exist. Illuminati is just a term used by ignorant individuals who know nothing about international business/politics and so use Illuminati to explain anything and everything. Very ignorant indeed.